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Originally Posted by Nico

Lies, fairy tales, fallacies...Lindsey is serious, but he can be quite funny as well. I mean, look at the rapport he had with Brett on his past tours! And as far as no one adoring him, I'm done. I don't think I even need to acknowledge such ridiculousness.

Originally Posted by WeepingWall

Wow, what an incredibly annoying interview! She seems like she is living in a make-believe tabloid-ready world. I love Stevie, but some of the stuff she is saying is just so crazy. It is really obnoxious.

Oh, right. Someone who has known and worked with Lindsey for almost 50 years simply does not know a thing about him. And what we see on a concert stage is total reality because, you know, it's not, like a show or anything like that.

Originally Posted by Nico

Thank you Lindsfan, luv. I am livid over this particular comment because everyone is always dragging LB through the mud. If it isn't one of his ex-girlfriends it's Ken Caillat or some other Joe. I really would like to say that a man can be serious and also have a fantastic sense of humor.

I think a single isolated account is one thing, but after hearing similar things about Lindsey from multiple sources, a more tangible image emerges- of a man who can be intensely finicky about his work and is prone to occasional acts of rage (allegedly). This is quite different from saying that he is not a talented musician and producer (which Stevie did not allege at all in these interviews). What we see of Lindsey (and pretty much any other figure in public life), can be a very, very different aspect of his persona than what he shows to the people in his personal life. You can choose to discredit one person's account of his personal conduct. But it gets increasingly more difficult to do that upon repeated confirmation about these same personality issues.

Originally Posted by WildHearted

But regarding the Bob Dylan debacle - it seems petty to keep bringing it up since it seems like such a random insignificant little thing... but sometimes it's the little stuff that hurts your feelings and that you remember. It must have really bothered her, although as an outsider watching it's clear Lindsey was trying to be careful about how he approached it.

I agree that the inclusion of this particular Destiny Rules clip came across as a bit of a slam in a "Lindsey is a controlling douche" kinda way. But I think it was necessary to help underscore the point she was trying to make, which was that, as a songwriter and musician, Stevie refuses to follow any rules, and that Dave was able to appreciate this and to work with what she brought to the table. By contrast, Lindsey was trying (in the most passive and circuitous way possible) to enforce his rules about songwriting onto her, hence the flashback to the DR documentary. Yes, Lindsey gets thrown under the bus, but it helps the viewer to understand Dave and Stevie's working relationship that much better.

Originally Posted by shackin'up

I love that interviewclip. She's witty and loose. Very much in shape too. And still someone who had Fame as a goal. And there, for me, is the major differente with her ex. Who had Fame as a goal too, but right after gaining it, he went for pure artistic values. They have à Very different view at the World.

Yes... the kind of artistic values that lead to scoring soundtracks for National Lampoon movies and Twizzlers Licorice commercials. And take these lyrics from "Not Too Late":

So that's been a problem
Feeling unheard
So-called visions
Always deferred
It must be the reason
I developed this need
You know you should never
Believe what you read

What am I doing anyway?
Telling myself it's not too late

No, that doesn't sound like someone who is bitter because he is not ultra famous.

Originally Posted by Lindsfan

I just suffered through the whole hour long video and she bashes him beginning to end.

She said at least she didn't HATE Dave (as opposed to Lindsey)

Lie. She never said that she hated Lindsey.

She said she didn't want to tell Lindsey what he was doing was stupid.

Lie. She basnever mentioned him by name.

She said Dave (as opposed to Lindsey) understands women because he has two daughters (same thing she said ABOUT Lindsey just a few years ago).

Lie. She never said anything about Lindsey in this context.

She said she told Lindsey he could add a few chords here and there but nothing else! Are you kidding me?! Let's take Lindsey's parts out of Gold Dust Woman, Gypsy, Dreams, Landslide, etc. No riffs. No counter-melodies. No harmonies that he comes up with. Um, he's done more with her songs than add a few chords

She was referring to the lyrics. She said that he can do his thing with the music, but don't change the song. What's wrong with saying that? And how do you know that Lindsey came up with all of the harmonies and riffs? If he was really as "instrumental" to the fabrication of these songs as you think he was, he would have gotten a songwriting credit. Adding a riff or an extra chord or a guitar solo or a harmony does not constitute "songwriting."

Originally Posted by Nico

Are you serious? All of this? Ok, I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt but now I understand how you feel. Honestly Stevie. Look at your life, look at your choices. Why does she have to throw shade on Lindsey? Why can't she talk about her business and mention Linds where need be but why continually drag him through the mud, over and over? That's wrong.

Um... maybe because Lindsey has been the most important and significant person in her life outside of her family. If she is before a paying audience talking about her music and her life, it would seem rather odd for her to omit any reference to Lindsey. That is really unreasonable.

If the shoe were on the other foot, he wouldn't do it. Lindsey has always been classy in this way.

Yes, calling Stevie a "b*tch," even in jest, is really classy.

He may feel anger and resentment of his own, but he doesn't need to publicly berate others for his own benefit. I really am disappoint. Thank you for the clarification...I didn't get to see the hour-long video and I don't have a desire to.

It's obvious that you didn't watch the video because all of your assertions are way, way off-base.

Originally Posted by elle

yes. he sounds much classier re not airing any private spats in his public appearances.

What makes Stevie an infinitely more interesting interview subject than Lindsey is that she does not seem to hesitate to speak her mind, even if some of her opinions are somewhat blunt and ascerbic. Accordingly, I get the sense that I know her better as a person, which helps me to appreciate her lyrics even more. By contrast, Lindsey is oblique in interviews. Whenever I see him interviewed, I always get the sense that I am hearing a canned response that has been rehearsed and memorized in his mind. I can practically see the cogs ticking around. And when he does get a question that requires some thought, I see him struggling a bit to find the right wording to formulate a response that is more diplomatic than revealing. Yeah, I guess that makes him seem like an upstanding, nice guy. But to me that's boring. Why even bother getting interviewed if you are only going to reveal yourself through a frosted lens?

Originally Posted by elle

of course, Lindsey seems to have much more settled and satisfying current life, so less reasons to be bitter.

I'm not sure how/why you have drawn that conclusion. From the looks of things, Stevie is in a wonderful place in her life. She is on a creatively satisfying and enjoyable arc with her music. She has wonderful homes, a perennially successful career, a loving family and her various charitable causes. I think anybody would trade places with her!

Originally Posted by elle

i think i read somewhere not long ago LB came up with Rhiannon riff / progression, i believe it was said by someone from FM, or maybe it was Gary Hodges? (but i might be wrong).

no idea about Landslide. maybe watching that video on youtube where Lindsey teaches how to play Lanslide, Big Love and something else would clarify it. he starts by saying "Landslide is a song that Stevie wrote" but don't remember whether he talks about what exactly he added to it, it's very possible he does.

For one thing, I think the "riff" you mention for "Rhiannon" is not really a "riff" IMHO. It's merely Lindsey playing the chords on guitar instead of the chords on piano (like Stevie's demo). I do think it is unlikely that Stevie came up with the guitar part for "Landslide" note-for-note, but I do believe that she probably came up with the melody and the basic chord structure herself. Lindsey wrote his own music arrangement on guitar, but that in itself does not mean he should get songwriting credit.

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Genius!!!

I wanted to comment on this. You're totally right. I felt she was trying to be diplomatic because she was also saying she was ticked at what they did. But, she felt they were friends, so she's giving generous compliments to soothe the sting of her not being happy with them. Not that she sincerely would rank Nancy Wilson as great as Lindsey - or even that close. I bet if she listed her top 10 favorite guitarists Nancy wouldn't make the cut.

I think it's safe to say that both of the Wilson sisters are currently on her sh*t list. I don't think Nancy is a bad guitarist, but even among female guitarists, I don't think she's that impressive. Joni Mitchell is/was far superior.