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David A 06-12-2017 05:54 PM

i dont get carnival begin
 
it sounds like a total Im So Afriad knock off and really drags, and Game Of Pretend, is a big stinker, but love the rest

MikeVielhaber 06-12-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by David A (Post 1211367)
it sounds like a total Im So Afriad knock off and really drags, and Game Of Pretend, is a big stinker, but love the rest

I don't really care for it much either. I like the solo but then it should be longer. Especially since the album as a whole is short on solos. The rest of the song doesn't really do it for me. They're going for that ISA feel, I assume, but it's nowhere near the song ISA is.

sands of time 06-12-2017 07:21 PM

I wonder if Rumours would have enjoyed the same success that it did if, in 1977, every moron was able to memorialize their irrelevant stupid opinion as if it mattered. Sad days. :(

MikeVielhaber 06-12-2017 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sands of time (Post 1211384)
I wonder if Rumours would have enjoyed the same success that it did if, in 1977, every moron was able to memorialize their irrelevant stupid opinion as if it mattered. Sad days. :(

Don't think the name calling is necessary.

BombaySapphire3 06-12-2017 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sands of time (Post 1211384)
I wonder if Rumours would have enjoyed the same success that it did if, in 1977, every moron was able to memorialize their irrelevant stupid opinion as if it mattered. Sad days. :(

This new album ain't Rumours but it is better than Time and Behind the Mask and may even sell more than Time. Personally I love Carnival Begin.

BombaySapphire3 06-12-2017 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber (Post 1211385)
Don't think the name calling is necessary.

I think what rubbed Sandy the wrong way is that someone started an entire thread to voice their dislike of one song.I think Feel About You should be swirling around in a commode but I wouldn't start a thread devoted to it.

vivfox 06-12-2017 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1211392)
I think Feel About You should be swirling around in a commode but I wouldn't start a thread devoted to it.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

aleuzzi 06-12-2017 08:47 PM

Everyone keeps noting the link between Carnival Begin and I'm So Afraid. But when I hear the former I think a lot more of Smile I Live For. All three songs share a common thread. What people don't note is that I'm So Afraid was heavily influenced by Fleetwood and the McVies. They took a folk dirge with excellent guitars and turned it into an Afro-percussive Blues.

fleetwoodguy79 06-12-2017 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by David A (Post 1211367)
it sounds like a total Im So Afriad knock off and really drags, and Game Of Pretend, is a big stinker, but love the rest

Those are definitely some of my favorite tracks on the album!

Macfan4life 06-12-2017 09:58 PM

Carnival Begin is probably my second favorite on the album. I love it. Fantastic writing and mystical. I love when Christine drifts from pure love songs to mystical love songs ;)
I recognize it for its creativity.

aleuzzi 06-12-2017 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fleetwoodguy79 (Post 1211405)
Those are definitely some of my favorite tracks on the album!

Mine, too.

Macfan4life 06-13-2017 07:11 AM

We all have different likes but I am confused by the title of this thread..."I don't GET"
It does not say, I don't like. It implies you don't understand the context of the song which is a shame. Christine writes brilliantly with metaphors and subtle texts. Its a very well crafted song.
Does she have to explain how someone's love is like a circus wheel? But she does elaborate and explain.....changing all the time.
If you think about her adjectives, metaphors, and symbolism you will completely understand the song.

jbrownsjr 06-13-2017 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1211427)
We all have different likes but I am confused by the title of this thread..."I don't GET"
It does not say, I don't like. It implies you don't understand the context of the song which is a shame. Christine writes brilliantly with metaphors and subtle texts. Its a very well crafted song.
Does she have to explain how someone's love is like a circus wheel? But she does elaborate and explain.....changing all the time.
If you think about her adjectives, metaphors, and symbolism you will completely understand the song.

She actually explains it in the doc. :lol:

seanthompson 06-13-2017 08:04 AM

Listen to it from the persepective that it is about Christine's return to the band. Also, one can hear where Lindsey is filling in for Stevie with the extended backup/background sustained note as she is want to do. It's dark and mystical like 'I'm So Afraid', 'The Chain', 'Gold Dust Woman', 'Oh, Daddy' (Alternate with Stevie backing), 'Tango In The Night', 'Behind The Mask', 'In The Back Of My Mind', 'Sooner Or Later', and 'Illume', to name a few other works sharing a common dark, magical thread in the Fleetwood Mac tapestry. 'Carnival Begin' is classic Mac with meaning, depth, and fine guitar work and solo.

Macfan4life 06-13-2017 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by seanthompson (Post 1211430)
Listen to it from the persepective that it is about Christine's return to the band. Also, one can hear where Lindsey is filling in for Stevie with the extended backup/background sustained note as she is want to do. It's dark and mystical like 'I'm So Afraid', 'The Chain', 'Gold Dust Woman', 'Oh, Daddy' (Alternate with Stevie backing), 'Tango In The Night', 'Behind The Mask', 'In The Back Of My Mind', 'Sooner Or Later', and 'Illume', to name a few other works sharing a common dark, magical thread in the Fleetwood Mac tapestry. 'Carnival Begin' is classic Mac with meaning, depth, and fine guitar work and solo.

Exactly!
Your words are better than mine. I love the mystical side of the Mac. When Christine ventures into the realm of mysticism its pure magic like Oh Daddy, Bad Journey, etc.
Its textures, colors, feelings, and emotions for my ears.
You are correct....its classic Fleetwood Mac even to the early years.


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