9/13/67 FM's first show?
 

I obtained a download of this set the other day. According to the source, this was the first time the name "Fleewood Mac" would see the light of day. They were using the title "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac" as one would expect. what I found most strange was that the bass player of credit on this set was Bob Brunning. So it seems that initially there was no "Mac" (or more acurately "Mc") in the band. I had ammumed, as most have, that John was always FM's bass man right from the start, hence the "Mac". As I found out more later, John was still reluctant to leave the Bluesbreakers when Mick was dismissed and stayed on until around November of '67 when he took his place that he would hold to this day. The band had already been booked by this name assuming he was to join in. I am not entirely sure of the truths of all this, so I am hoping that more senior members of the group would shed a bit of light on this.

There were quite a number of amazing acts that day......(the) Cream, (the) Pink Floyd, Mayall, Pentangle, Crazy world of Aurthur Brown, interestingly also a band called Chicken Shack......hmmmmm.....once again, I call on more seasoned veterans of FM lore who might know if this was the first meeting of Christine and John or not.

I think I can help a little bit - Green / Fleetwood / McVie had already recorded the instrumental 'Fleetwood Mac', 'First Train Home', 'No Place To Go' and 'Looking For Somebody' on April 19th 1967. At that time they were members of John Mayall's Bluesbreakers and the band Fleetwood Mac hadn't been formed yet other than in Peter Green's mind. Green named his instrumental after Fleetwood and McVie, but clearly he thought it would be a great name for the band he was certain he would form with that rhythm section!

Green left the Bluesbreakers in May '67 and formed Fleetwood Mac with Fleetwood, Spencer and Brunning, since McVie was happier earning a good wage with Mayall. McVie joined later after much coaxing from Green - either late September or October '67 (not sure exactly when - someone here will surely know!) John was getting tired of Mayall's "f**kin' jazz" leanings anyway, and the rest is history!

Mac recorded 'Rambling Pony', 'Long Grey Mare', 'Rambling Pony #2' and 'I Believe My Time Ain't Long' in early September 1967 with Bob Brunning,

I think the concert often called "Live in London" or (erroneously) "Live '68" was recorded on 13th September 1967, definitely with Bob Brunning. I have read it described as 'the Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac official debut', so the concert you have is probably that one. How many 'unofficial' gigs they did before then is anyone's guess :confused:

Nooo, carry on :]

'Long Grey Mare' is a great song - Bob Brunning's finest hour :p

Peter used to do 'blatantly sexual' pretty well and often :blob1: Like Lazy Poker Blues - how cool is that song :nod: And 'Lemon Squeezer' off Shrine '69 is just rude :laugh:

Taken from the Chrome Oxford Music Collectors Page:

PERSONNEL: September 1967 - August 14, 1968
Peter Green - vocals, guitar, harmonica
Jeremy Spencer - vocal, guitar
John McVie - bass
Mick Fleetwood - drums

LIVE SHOW: April 27, 1968 Main Extension Building of Polytechnic of Central London
Got To Move
I Held My Baby Last Night
My Baby's Sweet
My Baby's A Good 'Un
Don't Know Which Way To Go
Buzz Me
The Dream
The World Keep On Turning
How Blue Can You Get
Bleeding Heart

The concert I'm thinking of is sometimes called 'Live At The Marquee' and included:

Talk To Me Baby
I Held My Baby Last Night
My Baby's Sweet
Looking For Somebody
Evil Woman Blues
Got To Move
No Place To Go
Watch Out
Mighty Long Time
Dust My Blues
I Need You Come On Home
Shake Your Money Maker

This was 13th Sep, '67, no? You're right though - "Live '68" is different now I've checked, it's the gig with the setlist you mentioned :)

Taken from the Chrome Oxide Music Collectors Page (http://www.chromeoxide.com/green.htm):

PERSONNEL: September 1967 - August 14, 1968
Peter Green - vocals, guitar, harmonica
Jeremy Spencer - vocal, guitar
John McVie - bass
Mick Fleetwood - drums

LIVE SHOW: April 27, 1968
Main Extension Building of Polytechnic of Central London
Got To Move
I Held My Baby Last Night
My Baby's Sweet
My Baby's A Good 'Un
Don't Know Which Way To Go
Buzz Me
The Dream
The World Keep On Turning
How Blue Can You Get
Bleeding Heart
I have this on an official CD "London Live '68"

And, according to the Chrome Oxide pages:
PERSONNEL: July 1967 - September 1967
Peter Green - vocals, guitar, harmonica
Jeremy Spencer - vocal, guitar
Bob Brunning - bass
Mick Fleetwood - drums

LIVE SHOW: August 13, 1967 7th National Jazz & Blues Festival, Royal Windsor Racecourse, Windsor, Berkshire, England (pc)
(first live show)

I got this show by trade, it consists of the following songs:
SETLIST:
1. I Can't Hold Out
2. I'm Going Home ( later known as "I Loved Another Woman")
3. I Need You Baby
4. Fleetwood Mac
5. Fine Little Mama
6. World Keep On Turning
7. Shake Your Moneymaker

Then there is the official CD:
LIVE SHOW: August 15, 1967 Live At Marquee Club, London, England
Talk To Me Baby
I Held My Baby Last Night
My Baby's Sweet
Looking For Somebody
Evil Woman Blues
Got To Move
No Place To Go
Watch Out For Me Woman
Mighty Long Time
Dust My Blues
I Need You, Come On Home To Me
Shake Your Money Maker
Long Grey Mare (not on CD)
Red Hot Mama (not on CD)

I guess you have enough information to help you sort out which concert you laid your hands on.
:rolleyes:
Wouter

How about Led Zeppelin (The lemon song, I believe from LZ-1):
"Squeeze my lemon, till the juice runs down my leg"
:blob1:

Well I guess the concert I have is 15/9/67 despite what it says in the notes :rolleyes:

What you listed as the 13/9/67 gig might be what Oona has, depending on the setlist. I wasn't aware of the setlist for that gig - I rather naturally assumed it would be similar to the gig they played two days later. In fact the two shows only seem to share one song.

The term 'official' might be rather loosely applied to the CDs of both the 15/9/67 gig and that of 27/4/68. But then I'm probably wrong again.

The Marquee is "officially" listed as taken from august 15, not from september 15. However seemingly they also played the Marquee on september 5 that year. How are we ever going to know about the exact recording dates???

I did not list the debut concert on september 13, but on august 13. Anyway, august or september, there seems to be a 2-day span between the concerts, both havin Bob Brunning on bass (the original topic of this ledge).

As for offficial CD's, I meant that I bought these in ordinary record stores that don't selll bootlegs.

Greetings,
Wouter :o

So you did - I should be in bed by now :(

It's very confusing, and I am easily confused sometimes... there were a lot of gigs and the dates are wrong in some sources, for sure. Anyway as you say, Brunning was definitely playing at these shows.

Yeah, I know what you meant by 'official', but I doubt that the band saw a penny from those CDs :(

Sleep tight :xoxo:

It's definitely past my bedtime :laugh: