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Siri Ruane 06-09-2003 02:41 PM

Defending Stevie
 
I've been in many arguments concerning Stevie and the witch rumor.... and havent been doing very well.
Does anyone have any tips?

Sorcerer386 06-09-2003 10:36 PM

My only tip would be just to laugh along with them. People are probably doing it to you just to get you mad. Either that or they are so stupid they're not even worth your time.

gypsysara 06-10-2003 01:48 PM

I personally try not to let their mumbo-jumbo bother me. After all WE know the "real truth", just because they cant shouldnt concern you.

Besides, what if she was a witch? Is it really THAT bad? I mean, sure there is bad magic but that = bad karma. Stevie has good karma.

tamaraluvsFM 06-10-2003 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by gypsysara
I personally try not to let their mumbo-jumbo bother me. After all WE know the "real truth", just because they cant shouldnt concern you.
Besides, what if she was a witch? Is it really THAT bad? I mean, sure there is bad magic but that = bad karma. Stevie has good karma.



Nicely put! I say what she says.....:D

Tamara:wavey:

strandinthewind 06-10-2003 02:26 PM

Although this conversation will continue until the end of time, I just think it is so funny that not only has she repeatedly and vehemently denied it every source interviewed who knows her has denied it. Yet, it persists! Oh Well!

Bella Figura 06-10-2003 03:14 PM

Hi Siri, in the end, your best bet is to ignore/avoid those arguements especially if you or your friends are devout Christians...people are going to believe what they want to believe and you really have no concrete proof that Stevie is or is not a witch so you're in a no-win situation.

Just be confident in yourself and don't let other people drag you down with their teasing :wavey:

gypsysara 06-10-2003 03:53 PM

Strand, I think though in ONE instance in the 70's she was quoted as saying she was a witch.

In fact here, I got this from inherownwords.com

http://www.inherownwords.com/witches.htm


(DJ: You used to think you were a witch. ) Yes
Stevie Nicks, WEGQ FM Eagle 93.7 - May 21, 1998


That could have contributed to some of the rumours out there.

strandinthewind 06-10-2003 04:23 PM

I think I remember that interview and they were told her to say yes to the following five questions. So, it was a joke like thing. It was a live radio thing, so you could tell. But, that was awhile back (1998) and my memory is not as good as it used to be. :laugh:

Siri Ruane 06-11-2003 08:11 AM

Thanks for your says, guys. I'll try to use it.

Quote:

Either that or they are so stupid they're not even worth your time.
Yeah, I know that. I've dissed a lot of friends in my life because of that bit of information.

Bella Figura 06-11-2003 08:28 AM

Just a little irony, a Simpson's rerun I was watching last night was the Halloween special that referenced Harry Potter and has Mr Burns saying about Lisa: "She has more wickedy-witch than Stevie Nicks"

so it looks like Stevie's witchy image is firmly cemented into American pop culture...:nod:

flyfirefly 06-11-2003 08:39 AM

Well, that and people tend to refer to her as the "Witch"

I think when she's talking about magic, in many of those quotes, she's not talking about magick per se, but an individual's magic or mysticism or mystery about themselves that she's so fond of. Seems like it can be taken both ways.

I think she plays into it though--all the clothes and the like, but she sort of likes the good witch image there.

tommer 06-11-2003 12:35 PM

i must say this discussion puzzles me a bit, how many people are there out there who really believe in the existance of witches, i thought people stopped burning them somewhere in the 18th century :eek: are these people also belive in the existence of elves, fairies, trolls and those kinda stuff???

DrummerDeanna 06-11-2003 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by flyfirefly
Well, that and people tend to refer to her as the "Witch"



Yep...I think it was on the top 100 women of Rock or somethine when Grace Slick says, in regards to Stevie, "Oh the witch....I love her..." Not really a direct quote as it's been years since I've seen that...but it was something to that effect.

Bella Figura 06-11-2003 02:57 PM

"oh, the witch, the magic witch, I love her" Grace Slick

I love that quote but you can't really tell if Grace is being sarcastic or complimentary...

Tommer, there's a kinda of New Age religious vibe in the States since the mid-90's which has people practicing at being good witches using practical magic like wishcasting, candle/inscense burning and creative visualtization/prayers/chanting. The occult has always had a strong fascination for the American Psyche...the emergence of occultism popularity in the US seems to be timed with each new century, prior to this new wave, occultism was quite popular at the turn of the 19th century...

Stevie was a little bit before her time, writing Rhiannon and it's related demos during the 70's...well, Stevie and Ouji boards :lol:

Moon Brother 06-11-2003 08:38 PM

Speaking from my own personal experience, as a practicing Wiccan here in San Francisco. I, too, find this topic a bit puzzling with regard to how it's being treated.
Yes, I also believe in the existence of Witches as well. We are human and we are here in the modern age living amongst you paying taxes like everybody else. It is a confirmed and celebrated religion practiced the world over, not a resurgence or a wave or fad. It has been practiced devoutly for thousands of years, long before Christianity squelched it out. We modern Wiccans, as we preferred to be called, have always been quiet and respectful which is the true nature of the Wiccan way. The term: "Witch", now, is simply a nickname for one another. We are a proud lot, as the religion is filled with natures beauty and of how we all can listen to her spirit and pay tribute even in some small way.

As for Stevie, we Wiccans discuss at great length as to why she has so recently put Witches in such a bad light. By denying it to the degree, that it makes her look like she has something to hide or that she would rather be caught dead than confess, if you will, to being a Witch. The truth of the matter is I don't understand why she has excluded such a large part of her fan base by making these remarks. It may surprise you to know how many Wiccans are buying Stevie's records!

Though, It wasn't too long ago that a crazed fan accused her of being the "Good Witch" that could cure him of his homosexuality, and to that end she had to file a restraining order against this individual. As of late she told a fan in an interview to "get a life" when asked if she was a Witch.
Some Wiccans I know have stopped listening to her completely after years of being hard core fans, back in the days when she wholly embraced us for being...well...Witches, due to the changes in her attitude toward even admitting to being a Witch! There are occasions even still where she seems to flip flop back and forth on both sides of the broomstick!

Though I'm beginning to see some light being shed on the reason why she would deny these rumours, especially as she becomes more and more popular with people. It also confirms what my old girlfriend believed about Stevie and her lifestyle.
That fact is, and it has been debated amongst my circles, that if she admitted tomorrow that she was a Witch, her career would be over, completely and utterly OVER! Goodbye middle America! Goodbye record sales and everything that comes with that. She would be completely DIXIE CHICKED out of the music biz. The general public is still living in the "Dark Ages". Some of Stevie's fans are content with the idea that Stevie is only pretending to be something she is not. Some of Stevie's fans are also very disturbed by the idea that she is pretending to be someone she isn't as well!

I, for one, would be thrilled if Stevie admitted to being a Witch/Wiccan. And that she had a coven in the Hollywood hills, as was rumoured so many years ago, that Lori Nicks and Sharon Celani were also apart of. That each one of her songs has a direct connection with the mystical, or has magickal properties. That she actually does intervene with the dead and they assist her to better the world and her destiny!
That the reason she wears black most of the time on stage these days is so that it will protect her, as it is a protective color. That one day she will finally record that one great "Witchy" album chock full of artwork and photos dedicated to her religion and explaining everything as it was meant to be!

There is always the wish that remains, where we all live in a world where it was o.k to be different, to be a minority, to believe that there is real magick, and "...elves, fairies, trolls, and those kinda stuff" ~ but then...does not the real existence of these myths live in every one of us, on all kinds of levels?

As for myself I will always love Stevie, whatever "WITCH" Stevie she happens to be!

Life, Love, and Magick~ to those who believe ~
Tommy
:wavey:

Quote:

"I'm not make believe then, I'm not make believe now. I didn't understand then, but I understand now..." Stevie Nicks


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