I still don’t get it..
 

I’m watching the Rumours 4 (no Christine) Live at Boston.
They’re playing “I’m so afraid”.
And the thought just keeps going through my head....I don’t get it .. I just don’t..

Yes I know it’s 3 years since, but I still do not understand how they sacked him.
Not the why...I think we all know that.

I know we should let bygones be bygones...water under the bridge etcetc.
But I will never forget what the four of them did.

Forgive ....who knows
And here we are now, 3 years gone by and Mick romancing Lindsey..
It’s a funny old world..

$tevie is a bitter old HAG, and unfortunately $he's the one that fills the $eats.

$he said, "it's him or me". They chose the $eat filler.

$he RUINED the ending of the band of my life. Old HAG.

There must be a way to express your feelings without ageism and misogyny. Please give it a try.

"It's like a living thing, this Fleetwood Mac. It's a source stronger than its various members."
Christine McVie

And every living thing changes with time, but since the band was at the end of its life, it was too risky to fight again. I think Mick must be regretting.

There must be a way for you to mind your own business, and stop thinking I care about your opinion. Please give it a try.

The end of its creative life, right?

Because they could do shows for I'd say 5 years, thus the touring the oldies life is a beating heart.

Stones do like 12 shows every year in some part of the world. McCartney, to the best of my recollection has tour dates every year.

And FM is a stadium band now so they can do 40-70k gigs

I made a mistake, I should say the band was at the edge of the end of its life (creative, roads, anything). Because at that age, chances of continuing are less than when they are 40 or 50 yo. Yes the Stone are still there, but not Pink Floyd, Bowie, Frey, etc. That's why I mentioned risky. (IMHO) The Fleetwood Mac farewell must have been with the Rumours lineup. Now, since it's Fleetwood Mac, anything is possible in the future, but again, the odds are getting less and less. Plus, after the 2018 episode, it will bittersweet to see them together again.

Ok. Well Gilmour and Waters still tour; as you know, Roger does spectacles for his tours. Eagles continued after Glenn passed and they're doing stadiums all over.

But I think I understand you.

Just in response to sue's thread here... I think they just dumped him so they could get money from the 2018-2019 tour. And Stevie is all they needed to reach that pot of gold.

Stevie thinks Lindsey's the anti-Christ so I don't even believe dumping him was about the money for her. For her it was probably the satisfaction of having the power to get rid of the guy that animated her musical drafts. Like "I don't need him."

It's a sneaky way of getting around her mantra "I'll never break up FM" to tell Mick: it's him or me. Snake.

Walter Egan had a few interesting thoughts on their relationship in a recent podcast he did -

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...yYjDQwzFwBqK3o

well at least give us a hint!!

make me sit through a whole podcast....:eek: :distress:

Really, the Eagles did the ultimate replacements. Power hitter Vince Gill(who did I Can't Tell You Why on the Common Thread album). And letting Glenn's SON take his place was sheer genius. At the end of the first song he sang, they put up a giant pic of Glenn, and there wasn't a dry eye in the house. You were cheering for him to be great!

But $tevie SAYS $he's not the boss!!! $he's really let her ego go wild since her Mom died. $he is a snake. Hi$$....

The band has never made any sense to me without Lindsey. I remember feeling bewildered after Tango, then listening to Behind The Mask and trying to get on board with the new sound. But it just missed so much - all that complexity, depth, and inventiveness; those odd, left-field choices.

Then hearing Make Me A Mask and Goodbye Angel on The Chain, and feeling a great pang for him.

And yet here we are again... But Mick clearly feels the same. He knows that the only way for him to make music that means something at this stage is with Lindsey.

Lindsey is the only one capable...to go forward.
Stevie can’t write and prefers Divadom, in her Ivory tower, Christine (sorry) is too old, John’s had enough.

THIS.

All true. Lindsey is the only creative one left. I'm sure age is the reason for the rest of them(not that he's that much younger than them, but his creativity didn't dry up like $tevie's. Christine is just too old). If you told 30yo them that they'd still be beating this dead horse when they're knocking on death's door, they'd have laughed in your face!

Christine can still write. I loved her BuckVie Contributions.

But she has no voice left. None of them really do. Either nasal, or whispering, or yelling, or croaking. Oh my.

I love BuckVie, too. If Lindsey could produce a BV II, that would be great. I wouldn't wager on it happening, though.

This is stunning to me! And I love that Brooch. BuckVie II would make me fly to Indiana to see it with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTKY...&start_radio=1

We could've had new FM music played on the On With the Show Tour too. But Songs from the Vault was more important:]

So this is where there were some interesting quotes from Walter Egan in that podcast that elle provided a link to.

He talks about his (previously talked about by him) wild crush on Stevie and how they sorta were 'dating' or 'hanging out' together for about a month during the making of his first album (and that his hit from it, Magnet and Steel, was about her). All kinda the usual.

But then throughout he works in these casual, sort of passive-aggressive comments about her. It didn't really surprise me, the way he did it, because it seems like anyone remotely around Herself tiptoes carefully in what they say because if She doesn't like it, they will be banished from her graces (and possibly forced to walk back what they said, a la Waddy).

So anyway he talks about how much he "loved that girl" ie, the girl who Stevie was in those days, and how nice she was. Then he adds that he's "sure she's still a nice person, way deep down inside" ...clearly implying that she's not so nice anymore on the outside.... He says that it must be hard being that famous and so in the public eye that 'of course it must change you' in all sorts of ways. He says that she now has a "fortress around her" so no one can really just get in touch with her. He does manage to get backstage when she plays nearby (sounds like he's around Nashville).

He described what it's like going backstage-- there's no chance of any real one-on-one time, "you're in a room with a million people" and you just basically have to stand there waiting and hoping that she notices you and comes and talks to you. He mentioned how you sort of try to subtly get her attention so she'll come over. And when she does, you only get a few brief minutes with her (part of this is beyond her control in that there are sooo many people and everyone wants some piece of her time. So I do get in that sense that having a Karen or someone to be the 'bad cop' who hustles her along is kinda necessary, because people will get nasty and pissy if they don't get any chance to talk with her. It would seem like you'd feel better about that though if the QUALITY of the time you did get with her was high quality.. ie that she didn't just treat you like any other meet-and-greet peon).

He did say that he and LB loosely keep in touch and they do usually go out for dinner or something when LB is in town. He commented that once they got stratospherically famous it just changed everything and it's its own world, and you can, at best, just pop into it every once in a while. My sense when he was saying this was the machinery that surrounds them (LB's "Big Machine") takes over, and for some people, the ego stuff too.

Because it ain't about art anymore. $$$$$$$tevie!

If only $he respected the band like $he claims $he does. I wish $he would have just quit and let the other 4 carry on. $he could go make money, and we could get more music.

$he strangled the band. (I think Tony said that.) But I love that analogy.

That sounds pretty good, and it's only dropped a half step(although the original was never completely in C - Lindsey had been f*cking with the tape speed[I HATE it when I can't play along without retuning - which is half of Tusk]).

These days I see nearly all my shows in Nashville. Indy is an hour away from Bloomington, and nearly all tours hit both towns, so I just wait for the Nashville date! I can walk to all venues in town, cocktail in hand. No driving, no paying $30 to park, and hit the honky tonks the minute the concert is over.
See ya in Nashville!:xoxo:

I've said for 15 years that $he's the worst thing that ever happened to FM.

Her stardom killed their creativity. Gotta milk those hits!!!

Chili was right, they should have kicked her out after Mirage.

Much reverence to ChiliD

What I find interesting is that while FM needed her in the band to be marketable and have respectful sales, she also needed FM to make bank for a while. I'd say 05-13.
Attendance and ticket prices at FM shows in 09 and 13 were greater than her solo shows. Stevie's the star, but that name Fleetwood Mac just sells even more.

Come 2014 or 2015, she probably could've went on a solo tour without a special guest such as Pretenders, and played the sports arenas. She had Glee and American Horror Story momentum.

Then we couldve had a four member tour with new music.

Chili is always right!!!

I hope he's doing better now. I believe he's back at home, again.

Its interesting to think of the possibilities because after Mirage she did not give the Mac any real hits. Lindsey probably would not have left in 1987 and its interesting how the rest of their career would have played out. They clearly would not be as rich as they are today since Stevie puts butts in the seats but their legacy would have been better defined.

Stevie's solo career would have still went through the decline and maybe still there would have been a Dance reunion that saved both their careers.

We all know Irving made the Mac surrender bigger percentages to Stevie for touring. I just wonder if that started as early as Mirage (since she was a big solo star).

It's a bit telling that they did one album without Christine McVie. And she was gone for 15 years. That's really very sad.
I have a feeling they liked SYW about as much as I did. I hope Lindsey releases his solo album soon. No rolling it into anything this time!!

I don't know how Lindsey got Stevie to participate in Extended Play. The boys wanted to do an album in 08 but she was in the mindset of "Internet Piracy"

HELLO HELLO HELLO SAD ANGEL was pretty sad. :lol:

Hey that song made it on the 50 Years: Don't Stop that they toured behind in 2018.

The only recent Stevie song that made that cd was SYW.
Those clowns couldnt even put a new song or 2 like most others include on a new Best Of.

It was a Missed Fantasy.. :o

And who was doing lingering "up against the wall"?

So, if I understood well, Lindsey wouldn't have left FM if they had kicked out Stevie? I don't think so. Of course, I'm just speculating, but my perception is based on what Mick wrote in his first book (now I'm not sure if it's 100% accurate, but I feel it's close to the truth), that he didn't want to rejoin the band for another album in 1987(he agreed just to make a $ favor to Mick) and he had left Fleetwood Mac anyway:


(before producing Tango)
Lindsey Buckingham alone was fairly reticent about Fleetwood Mac. He was enjoying his hard-won independence and deep into his own album with Richard Dashut. Eventually we worked to build enough momentum that we were able to convince Lindsey that it might go off without him. WhenLindsey said he was in, things went forward.

....
(when Stevie arrived to recording sessions)
On her part, Stevie was dreading that Lindsey, in his producing capacity, would be sarcastic toward her, but he made an effort not to be as much of a martinet as he was with the rest of us. He was under some strain with this project, and lost his patience occasionally, but with Stevie we wanted him to be more objective and professional. He tried to make her feel great in the studio, and they got on well. (The love-hate saga between those two will never end.)

...
(after finishing the record, August 7 1987)
We gathered at Christine's house, where from the start feelings ran high. No one wanted to face the humiliation of a canceled tour it was like a hideous specter from our distant past except for Lindsey, who just wanted out. The meeting was civil for about five minutes. Stevie felt devastated. She took Lindsey's rejection of us personally. "You can't do this," she said. "Why are you doing this?"

Lindsey apologised. "Look, I'm sorry. I just can't do any more. I've given twelve years of my life to this band! I've done it all arranged, produced, played guitar, sang. I just can't . . . hack it . . . and do it all anymore."

Christine spoke now. "What do you mean, Lindsey, do it all?" Her tone was withering. It was her singles, after all, that got played on the radio, not Lindsey's. This was a sore spot, because in interviews Lindsey had been describing his role in the band as the grand interpreter of Chris's and Stevie's music to the world as if he felt he had carried the rest of the band. Nobody liked this, especially now. Lindsey was silent. No one knew what to say. Lindsey had given his answer.

So it seems Lindsey's mood in 1987 was to go in his own way.

All of this is speculation on all our parts. The drama between Stevie and Lindsey has always been tense. Stevie was completely insane during the mid 80s and everyone knew it. No way Lindsey really wanted to be around this insanity.
Which is why I said, if she was out that pressure would have been off. He would not feel the pressure to make her songs hits even though he did not want to. Good grief, his title album and song in 1984 was GO INSANE She's a lot like YOU ( a line about his girlfriend compared to Stevie).
Without out this pressure cooker, I don't see Lindsey fretting so much to tour with a band that no longer included his bitter ex. Yes Mick was an issue but Stevie was and is still the problem.

Noticed the Walter Egan comments earlier- as an artist, he captured what were some of the most spirited, inspired and completely perfect vocals Stevie has ever recorded, I only wish she let this loose on a few more recordings. Especially the first album Fundamental Roll and the pictures of the two of them- you can instantly tell our idol was in a pre-fame completely different place. If you haven't checked these albums out- do it now. They're amazing.

Very good point. Her voice was angelic then.

There was a Ledgie who was a huge Walter Egan fan. I credit her with introducing me to Walter Egan.

Was that Victoria O?

Lindsey and Christine worked REALLY hard on Tango.

It's also well documented that it was Richard and Lindsey that really drove and coordinated the sessions and all of the long hours that went into that album.

I think it's a hard pill for people to swallow at times, but we really wouldn't have Tango if it wasn't for Lindsey, Richard, and Christine. There was nobody else remotely sober enough to keep that bus from driving over the cliff.

I think it was! Did she go by Queen Vicky?
She was a huge Walter Egan fan. I don't think she cared for modern Stevie:lol: