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Murrow 07-24-2020 08:20 AM

Box set potential
 
Now that Warners are releasing the Early Years box set chronicling 1969-74 including bonus tracks and a live set, is it inconceivable they could also do a Later Years covering 1988-2013. Here's what I have in mind.

DISC 1: Behind the Mask (+ tracks from sessions)
DISC 2: Time (+ tracks recorded before Warners forced Christine's involvement - I'm sure there must be some - and World Cup version of Blow By Blow).
DISC 3: The Dance
DISC 4: Say You Will

DISC 5: Non-album cuts as follows (order flexible)

1. As Long as You Follow
2. No Questions Asked
3. Paper Doll
4. Lizard People (not currently commercially available)
5. Love Shines
6. Heart of Stone
7. Make Me a Mask
8. Not Make Believe
9. Love Minus Zero/No Limit
10. Sad Angel
11. Without You
12. It Takes Time
13. Miss Fantasy
14. Gold Dust Woman (The Dance DVD version)
15. Over My Head (Dance DVD)
16. Gypsy (Dance DVD)
17. Songbird (Dance DVD)
18. Go Insane (Dance DVD)
19. Peacekeeper (Live@AOL version)
20. Smile At You (Live@AOL version)

Live in Boston DVD

Villavic 07-26-2020 02:11 PM

It's an interesting songs content. However it's like combining different bands. I know many people consider the rhythm section (M+J) as the "glue" of Fleetwood Mac, but in my personal opinion it is not enough. Listening Time and SYW songs together is kind of weird.

BLY 07-26-2020 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1259063)
It's an interesting songs content. However it's like combining different bands. I know many people consider the rhythm section (M+J) as the "glue" of Fleetwood Mac, but in my personal opinion it is not enough. Listening Time and SYW songs together is kind of weird.


I agree this release will not happen. If any other “box” releases it could be ..

Behind the Mask

Time

Dance/ Say You Will

GJK 07-26-2020 03:35 PM

DISC 3: The Dance

DISC 5: Non-album cuts as follows (order flexible)

...
14. Gold Dust Woman (The Dance DVD version)
15. Over My Head (Dance DVD)
16. Gypsy (Dance DVD)
17. Songbird (Dance DVD)
18. Go Insane (Dance DVD)

So, there's an overlap of these songs?

Nice idea, but this too far-fetched.

GJK

SteveMacD 07-26-2020 11:14 PM

I’d just make The Dance a two disc set.

Murrow 07-28-2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GJK (Post 1259066)
DISC 3: The Dance

DISC 5: Non-album cuts as follows (order flexible)

...
14. Gold Dust Woman (The Dance DVD version)
15. Over My Head (Dance DVD)
16. Gypsy (Dance DVD)
17. Songbird (Dance DVD)
18. Go Insane (Dance DVD)

So, there's an overlap of these songs?

Nice idea, but this too far-fetched.

GJK

Well no because they didn't appear on the CD edition of the album - there wasn't room.

Street_Dreamer 07-29-2020 12:29 AM

Wasn't Go Your Own Way edited too from the original concert version? Or maybe it was The Chain? Or maybe I'm getting confused and thinking about one of the re-released greatest hits versions?

Murrow 07-29-2020 01:03 AM

Both songs are on both formats. I don't know about any edited versions.

BLY 07-29-2020 01:45 PM

Say You Will box set would be great.

CD 1 Original version
CD 2 B sides/ Alternative tracks from unreleased double album
DVD concert full Boston live show
DVD 5.1 audio surround sound
Vinyl album

David 08-08-2020 02:20 PM

Considering that THE DANCE was a number one album and that the CD was always a shortened track list, it seems bizarre that, in twenty-three years, it has never been repackaged more completely or been transferred to Blu-ray. I don't know whether it was originally filmed on celluloid and I have heard that a high-definition release is impossible. What I hear is that film stock can be upgraded to high-def or UHD but that digital shoots can't.

Murrow 08-08-2020 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1259063)
It's an interesting songs content. However it's like combining different bands. I know many people consider the rhythm section (M+J) as the "glue" of Fleetwood Mac, but in my personal opinion it is not enough. Listening Time and SYW songs together is kind of weird.

Not if they're on separate discs.

HomerMcvie 08-08-2020 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1259288)
Considering that THE DANCE was a number one album and that the CD was always a shortened track list, it seems bizarre that, in twenty-three years, it has never been repackaged more completely or been transferred to Blu-ray. I don't know whether it was originally filmed on celluloid and I have heard that a high-definition release is impossible. What I hear is that film stock can be upgraded to high-def or UHD but that digital shoots can't.

Screw The Dance. MIRAGE is them at their peak. And I want the unreleased songs!!! THAT'S what needs to happen. Somebody tell that old bastard Mick to stick a crowbar in his wallet and make it happen!

Macfan4life 08-09-2020 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1259302)
Screw The Dance. MIRAGE is them at their peak. And I want the unreleased songs!!! THAT'S what needs to happen. Somebody tell that old bastard Mick to stick a crowbar in his wallet and make it happen!

Yes! The FULL Mirage show would be really something. Sara, Hold Me, Brown Eyes, etc

But I know, you just want the Blu-ray version of Not That Funny to show your friends

HomerMcvie 08-09-2020 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1259309)

But I know, you just want the Blu-ray version of Not That Funny to show your friends

NTF ran them out of the house in 1985, and I'm sure it can still hold that standard today.

The screaming...all that ridiculous SCREAMING.

"We'll watch this with you, as long as you fast forward through that one song!":lol::lol::lol:

David 08-09-2020 02:30 PM

But which "full Mirage show"? Not the LA video - I've seen it already. Wouldn't you rather have a film of the performance at Joe Louis in Detroit, or at the Meadowlands, or the Oakland Coliseum, or McNichols in Denver - all great, great shows that you could discover afresh? Even the show at Irvine Meadows seemed more tightly packed with great, haunting moments than LA. Truthfully, LA felt to me like an also-ran to Irvine (which was about a week or two earlier) and to Oakland the night before. The tour had many highlights, but the stuff that wound up on the sloppy, vibe-killing video didn't capture enough of them.

jmn3 08-09-2020 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1259316)
But which "full Mirage show"? Not the LA video - I've seen it already. Wouldn't you rather have a film of the performance at Joe Louis in Detroit, or at the Meadowlands, or the Oakland Coliseum, or McNichols in Denver - all great, great shows that you could discover afresh? Even the show at Irvine Meadows seemed more tightly packed with great, haunting moments than LA. Truthfully, LA felt to me like an also-ran to Irvine (which was about a week or two earlier) and to Oakland the night before. The tour had many highlights, but the stuff that wound up on the sloppy, vibe-killing video didn't capture enough of them.

Yes to all of this. What they put out for the live performances on the Mirage Deluxe was absolutely awful especially after how well the the Tusk Deluxe was done. To just put in the exact songs pulled direct from the 30+ year old Video was lazy and sloppy. A full show with the songs in the correct order, Hold Me, Brown Eyes, etc would have been so much better. Somewhere I have MP3 files of Oakland and Denver. It’s been years since I pulled them up but from what I remember both are great shows and include equally strong performances of the video highlights (The Chain, Sisters). I can imagine actual recordings that have been cleaned up would be amazing and certainly preferable to what they actually did on Deluxe.

Macfan4life 08-10-2020 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1259316)
But which "full Mirage show"? Not the LA video - I've seen it already. Wouldn't you rather have a film of the performance at Joe Louis in Detroit, or at the Meadowlands, or the Oakland Coliseum, or McNichols in Denver - all great, great shows that you could discover afresh? Even the show at Irvine Meadows seemed more tightly packed with great, haunting moments than LA. Truthfully, LA felt to me like an also-ran to Irvine (which was about a week or two earlier) and to Oakland the night before. The tour had many highlights, but the stuff that wound up on the sloppy, vibe-killing video didn't capture enough of them.

Yes! Everyone would agree to that but is that reality? Were any of those shows recorded? Back in those days it was lots of work with a big film crew to record concerts. I would be surprised if they took them on the road to video all the shows you mentioned.
If any of them were professionally shot then of course, they would be fantastic. But even in 1982 groups hammed it up for a recording. Didn't someone say in the LA Mirage show that part of Christine's keyboards were prop for the cameras?

I cant even watch the lip syncing of the Mac's 1988 "live" show and Stevie's Red Rocks.

HomerMcvie 08-10-2020 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1259327)
Yes! Everyone would agree to that but is that reality? Were any of those shows recorded? Back in those days it was lots of work with a big film crew to record concerts. I would be surprised if they took them on the road to video all the shows you mentioned.
If any of them were professionally shot then of course, they would be fantastic. But even in 1982 groups hammed it up for a recording. Didn't someone say in the LA Mirage show that part of Christine's keyboards were prop for the cameras?

I cant even watch the lip syncing of the Mac's 1988 "live" show and Stevie's Red Rocks.

I want the Mirage Tour recording of Hold Me!

Tango is the only FM video I don't own(well, I think I have it on VHS somewhere). I can't stand 90% of it. All those stupid closeups. What kind of egomaniac hires a "closeup director"?

Nicks Fan 08-10-2020 11:02 AM

Imo the Mirage and Tango concerts released on VHS and or DVD were terrible. Mirage has some good moments but Stevie's voice is so nasal it is pretty much unlistenable. I do love her SOTM performance. With the Tango concert I hate the closeups and the dumb backstage shots. The band is performing and yet they spend time backstage during a song to show the band horsing around or whatever. It is stupid.

Macfan4life 08-10-2020 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1259330)
I want the Mirage Tour recording of Hold Me!

Tango is the only FM video I don't own(well, I think I have it on VHS somewhere). I can't stand 90% of it. All those stupid closeups. What kind of egomaniac hires a "closeup director"?

The close ups are annoying but its the lip syncing that turns me off. HELLO! Its supposed to be a live concert. I would not be surprised if Stevie was behind it since she did that for Red Rocks. If you pay attention you will also see similar visuals between the 2 videos of being far away and people have different hair compared to the close up singing. The Mac's was much better put together mostly because Stevie was a mess and even close ups could not save her Red Rocks show.
Does anyone know if other bands ever did this? This is the most ridiculous thing ever. Think about it. They recorded a live show for distribution yet gave the fans a lip synced concert aka video performance.
And why edit a concert down to 58 minutes. They did concert footage medley for Songbird and then the credits ran for only the audio version of Dont Stop. Marty Callner directed it who was a mainstay of 1980s videos and concerts.

My pet peeve: Stevie and her HUGE earrings during Gold Dust Woman when she would turn to the camera for a close up to say "OH YEAH" is so unrock n roll

And you just loved Mick's body performance.
HELP ME

HomerMcvie 08-10-2020 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1259334)
The close ups are annoying but its the lip syncing that turns me off. HELLO! Its supposed to be a live concert. I would not be surprised if Stevie was behind it since she did that for Red Rocks. If you pay attention you will also see similar visuals between the 2 videos of being far away and people have different hair compared to the close up singing. The Mac's was much better put together mostly because Stevie was a mess and even close ups could not save her Red Rocks show.
Does anyone know if other bands ever did this? This is the most ridiculous thing ever. Think about it. They recorded a live show for distribution yet gave the fans a lip synced concert aka video performance.
And why edit a concert down to 58 minutes. They did concert footage medley for Songbird and then the credits ran for only the audio version of Dont Stop. Marty Callner directed it who was a mainstay of 1980s videos and concerts.

And you just loved Mick's body performance.
HELP ME

Whoever was in charge needed to be fired. Bad decisions all the way around.

I'm now "friends" with Marty, but I ain't axing him? Anyone? Bueller?

WHY do people worship her? I'll never understand. $he's such an idiot.

Macfan4life 08-10-2020 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1259333)
Imo the Mirage and Tango concerts released on VHS and or DVD were terrible. Mirage has some good moments but Stevie's voice is so nasal it is pretty much unlistenable. I do love her SOTM performance. With the Tango concert I hate the closeups and the dumb backstage shots. The band is performing and yet they spend time backstage during a song to show the band horsing around or whatever. It is stupid.

I loved the Mirage concert. That was the last days of real men with real cameras filming on stage. Yes it had quirks like the bad slice at the end of Sisters but for the most part I thought it was recorded fairly well.
One of the coolest parts of the concert is when the camera on the opposite side of the stage is zoomed in on Christine while she is singing her heart out during the Chain. The same camera then loses focus (gets blurry) to then focus on Stevie (clear focus again). That is something you would NEVER see today. It was the way to capture both singers without moving the camera. Today they would just use 2 automatic cameras zooming around the stage and it would be edited together. Looking back, what a cool effect IMHO. People actually had to focus cameras. Imagine that!

jbrownsjr 08-11-2020 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1259316)
But which "full Mirage show"? Not the LA video - I've seen it already. Wouldn't you rather have a film of the performance at Joe Louis in Detroit, or at the Meadowlands, or the Oakland Coliseum, or McNichols in Denver - all great, great shows that you could discover afresh? Even the show at Irvine Meadows seemed more tightly packed with great, haunting moments than LA. Truthfully, LA felt to me like an also-ran to Irvine (which was about a week or two earlier) and to Oakland the night before. The tour had many highlights, but the stuff that wound up on the sloppy, vibe-killing video didn't capture enough of them.

I've heard all of those bootlegs. Yes, I would love to hear a clean version of Denver or NJ.

David 08-16-2020 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1259345)
I've heard all of those bootlegs. Yes, I would love to hear a clean version of Denver or NJ.

There is a little Denver on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85YeIeS_U0Q.

I have always loved the 1982 Meadowlands and the Detroit concerts on audience tape. There are not of course enormous differences between performances in the span of a five-week tour. There are smaller but still prominent differences in band tightness and adventurousness (especially from Mick and his fills) and certainly in Stevie's and Christine's vocals. I have long thought that the band filmed the wrong shows in 1982 - and 1987 and 2003 and . . . . You need to film a number of shows on a tour and settle on the best. Actually, if you have Fleetwood Mac's budget, you should film twenty shows. I think that the band just didn't give a damn about recording concerts for posterity and those few products were an afterthought or were scrambled together by the band's assistants. The ugly, ill-lit footage from the Forum in 1982 is a case in point: How could a superstar band who created such lovely promo videos that year that advanced the art also release a feature-length concert video that looks as if it were shot by a local spot-news crew just passing by? And the audio - which couldn't even be cleaned up well for a deluxe Mirage release a few years ago - was atrocious. It was like a home recording of a kid in the sports arena audience.

Macfan4life 08-17-2020 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David (Post 1259442)
There is a little Denver on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85YeIeS_U0Q.

I have always loved the 1982 Meadowlands and the Detroit concerts on audience tape. There are not of course enormous differences between performances in the span of a five-week tour. There are smaller but still prominent differences in band tightness and adventurousness (especially from Mick and his fills) and certainly in Stevie's and Christine's vocals. I have long thought that the band filmed the wrong shows in 1982 - and 1987 and 2003 and . . . . You need to film a number of shows on a tour and settle on the best. Actually, if you have Fleetwood Mac's budget, you should film twenty shows. I think that the band just didn't give a damn about recording concerts for posterity and those few products were an afterthought or were scrambled together by the band's assistants. The ugly, ill-lit footage from the Forum in 1982 is a case in point: How could a superstar band who created such lovely promo videos that year that advanced the art also release a feature-length concert video that looks as if it were shot by a local spot-news crew just passing by? And the audio - which couldn't even be cleaned up well for a deluxe Mirage release a few years ago - was atrocious. It was like a home recording of a kid in the sports arena audience.

I could be in the minority but liked the dark lighting at the Forum show. Of course I am watching it on TV. Stevie's Wild Heart tour also had extremely dark lighting. Maybe she used the same crew. You can see it at her Largo show.
IMHO there was something magical about the Mirage shows and the darkness added to the mood.
But from what I have seen of the Tusk shows, they were also quite dark. I dont think until the 80s did bands do the full lighting at concerts.

jbrownsjr 08-17-2020 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1259442)
There is a little Denver on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85YeIeS_U0Q.

It was like a home recording of a kid in the sports arena audience.

The treble and high frequencies are really really bad. They had to be deep in the red on the high ends. I think of a tin can when I hear the audio.

In some cases, the Deluxe Version of Mirage is worse than the VHS I used to listen to on headphones back in 1982/3.

Murrow 08-21-2020 10:12 AM

Ahem why are we talking about Tusk and Mirage in the post-Rumours section? This thread was about the potential for a remastered anthology of the post-Tango albums.

KenshiMaster16 08-24-2020 12:40 AM

I made a temporary one for Behind the Mask a while back that I have on my iTunes library.

Disc One - The Album

Disc Two - Rarities
01 In the Back of My Mind (Single Edit)
02 Save Me (Single Edit)
03 Paper Doll
04 Love Shines
05 Desiree
06 It Ain't Over
07 As Long As You Follow
08 No Questions Asked
09 Intuition
10 Heart of Stone
11 Lizard People

Disc Three - Live: Part 1 (Various Dates 88-90)
01 In the Back of My Mind
02 The Chain
03 Dreams
04 Isn't It Midnight
05 Oh Well
06 Rhiannon
07 Stop Messin' Around
08 Seven Wonders
09 Save Me
10 Gold Dust Woman
11 I Loved Another Woman
12 Landslide

Disc Four - Live: Part 2 (Various Dates 88-90)
01 Rattlesnake Shake
02 Everywhere
03 Stand On The Rock
04 Say You Love Me
05 World Turning
06 Little Lies
07 Blue Letter
08 Stand Back
09 You Make Lovin Fun
10 Go Your Own Way
11 Tear It Up
12 Don't Stop

Netter75 08-24-2020 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenshiMaster16 (Post 1259595)
I made a temporary one for Behind the Mask a while back that I have on my iTunes library.

Disc One - The Album

Disc Two - Rarities
01 In the Back of My Mind (Single Edit)
02 Save Me (Single Edit)
03 Paper Doll
04 Love Shines
05 Desiree
06 It Ain't Over
07 As Long As You Follow
08 No Questions Asked
09 Intuition
10 Heart of Stone
11 Lizard People

Disc Three - Live: Part 1 (Various Dates 88-90)
01 In the Back of My Mind
02 The Chain
03 Dreams
04 Isn't It Midnight
05 Oh Well
06 Rhiannon
07 Stop Messin' Around
08 Seven Wonders
09 Save Me
10 Gold Dust Woman
11 I Loved Another Woman
12 Landslide

Disc Four - Live: Part 2 (Various Dates 88-90)
01 Rattlesnake Shake
02 Everywhere
03 Stand On The Rock
04 Say You Love Me
05 World Turning
06 Little Lies
07 Blue Letter
08 Stand Back
09 You Make Lovin Fun
10 Go Your Own Way
11 Tear It Up
12 Don't Stop

As much as I approve of this list tell me that the omission of Brown Eyes from the '87 tour was not purposeful, we got screwed on that one for the Mirage re-release and I will be devastated if we don't get it on this one either lol.

KenshiMaster16 08-24-2020 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Netter75 (Post 1259606)
As much as I approve of this list tell me that the omission of Brown Eyes from the '87 tour was not purposeful, we got screwed on that one for the Mirage re-release and I will be devastated if we don't get it on this one either lol.

I usually rotate that in and out with Say You Love Me, to be honest. lol

jbrownsjr 08-26-2020 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KenshiMaster16 (Post 1259607)
I usually rotate that in and out with Say You Love Me, to be honest. lol

We've heard enough SYLM.. I'll take Brown Eyes!!

Great list. I would love those live tracks. That band rocked!

bwboy 02-11-2021 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murrow (Post 1258930)
Now that Warners are releasing the Early Years box set chronicling 1969-74 including bonus tracks and a live set, is it inconceivable they could also do a Later Years covering 1988-2013. Here's what I have in mind.

DISC 1: Behind the Mask (+ tracks from sessions)
DISC 2: Time (+ tracks recorded before Warners forced Christine's involvement - I'm sure there must be some - and World Cup version of Blow By Blow).
DISC 3: The Dance
DISC 4: Say You Will

If Behind the Mask can’t get its own Deluxe Edition, then I could settle with combining up it with Time. As long as they include tons of BTM demos, outtakes, etc. marketing wise, it makes sense to fold the two incarnations into one. I know a BTM Deluxe Edition wouldn’t sell that much, but imagine how much a Time DE would sell!

I’m sure the Dance will get the Deluxe Edition treatment on its own; Say You Will I’m not so sure. I mean, it’s already pretty much a double album, so I don’t think there was much left off.

SteveMacD 02-11-2021 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1264355)
Say You Will I’m not so sure. I mean, it’s already pretty much a double album, so I don’t think there was much left off.

And, it had a deluxe version when it came out.

SteveMacD 02-11-2021 03:00 PM

For BTM, I’d love to see something like what they did with Eric Clapton’s first solo album. Disc 1 was the original mix while disc 2 was the Delaney Bramlett re-mix.

Disc 1 would be the regular mix, and maybe have Ken do a remix for disc 2. Disc 3 would be outtakes, demos, etc. Maybe a disc 4 of live songs.

UnwindedDreams 02-11-2021 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1264357)
And, it had a deluxe version when it came out.

That Bonus Version was a waste to me. Lindsey singing a Dylan song, one Stevie song (John kills it like a king on NMB) and two lousy live takes.

I Am Waiting, My Heart, and whatever other outtakes shoulda been on there. Also the cover stinks. Looks like a drape or wallpaper sample

UnwindedDreams 02-11-2021 10:19 PM

FleetwoodMac.com is selling Then Play On, Say You Will and the popular Fab 5 records. No BTM or Time. Too bad I'd actually like to get Time.

SteveMacD 02-11-2021 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1264389)
FleetwoodMac.com is selling Then Play On, Say You Will and the popular Fab 5 records. No BTM or Time. Too bad I'd actually like to get Time.

I didn’t realize it became collectible. It’s bad reputation is worse than reality. It’s better, IMO, than Penguin. Just saw one on eBay that was autographed by “Ma Ma Bramlett, Bekka’s Mom” (aka Bonnie Bramlett).

UnwindedDreams 02-11-2021 10:59 PM

BTM might be a collectible too in the U.S.A. Probably would need to buy an import from Europe of if I wanted a copy. BTM should've gotten reissued as vinyl in 2018, but they went ahead with reissuing vinyl for Dance and SYM. I guess bc those sold better?

SteveMacD 02-11-2021 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1264392)
BTM might be a collectible too in the U.S.A. Probably would need to buy an import from Europe of if I wanted a copy. BTM should've gotten reissued as vinyl in 2018, but they went ahead with reissuing vinyl for Dance and SYM. I guess bc those sold better?

BTM was issued on vinyl in 1990.

UnwindedDreams 02-11-2021 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1264394)
BTM was issued on vinyl in 1990.

Didn't I write "reissue"?:]


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