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elle 11-24-2019 02:40 PM

What I liked:
1. That it's finally over.

What I didn't like:
1. That it exists.

lovethemac1 11-25-2019 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1254963)
What I liked:
1. That it's finally over.

What I didn't like:
1. That it exists.

Love this!

jbrownsjr 11-25-2019 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1254963)
What I liked:
1. That it's finally over.

What I didn't like:
1. That it exists.

I have to admit this really cracked me up.

Nicks Fan 11-28-2019 02:38 PM

The problem with FM is that for decades they have mainly played it safe with respect to the set lists. The people who were saying Lindsey stopped them from playing pre 75 material made me laugh. If that was the case then why for 10 years (87-97) did they only do a a total of 4 PG era songs during the 3 tours they did without Lindsey. They were fine doing cover songs from Traffic, Dorsey Burnette, SN, John Lennon etc but couldn't do a single Danny Kirwan, Jeremy Spencer or Bob Welch song?

This last tour was pointless. I mean what was the point? They had ZERO reason to be on tour if they were not going to do new music or drop most of the tried and true in their show. Most of the deep cuts were dropped once they saw the reactions from the casual fans. Plus the Tom Petty cover and tribute has to be one of the dumbest things FM ever did ( and they have done some pretty stupid things over the years). Tom Petty was someone I respected and was an idol of mine, but he had NOTHING to do with FM. The band is is now 50 plus years old and instead of honoring the members who are no longer with us they would rather pay tribute to someone who did nothing to contribute in the band's 50 plus years. The fact that some fans see nothing wrong with that is head scratching to me but I guess some people just love the band and will overlook anything as long as SN is there.

I agree also with the comments about the vocals . SN and CM are too old and their voices are pretty well shot. Time to retire.

bombaysaffires 11-28-2019 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1255018)
The problem with FM is that for decades they have mainly played it safe with respect to the set lists. The people who were saying Lindsey stopped them from playing pre 75 material made me laugh. If that was the case then why for 10 years (87-97) did they only do a a total of 4 PG era songs during the 3 tours they did without Lindsey. They were fine doing cover songs from Traffic, Dorsey Burnette, SN, John Lennon etc but couldn't do a single Danny Kirwan, Jeremy Spencer or Bob Welch song?

This last tour was pointless. I mean what was the point? They had ZERO reason to be on tour if they were not going to do new music or drop most of the tried and true in their show. Most of the deep cuts were dropped once they saw the reactions from the casual fans. Plus the Tom Petty cover and tribute has to be one of the dumbest things FM ever did ( and they have done some pretty stupid things over the years). Tom Petty was someone I respected and was an idol of mine, but he had NOTHING to do with FM. The band is is now 50 plus years old and instead of honoring the members who are no longer with us they would rather pay tribute to someone who did nothing to contribute in the band's 50 plus years. The fact that some fans see nothing wrong with that is head scratching to me but I guess some people just love the band and will overlook anything as long as SN is there.

I agree also with the comments about the vocals . SN and CM are too old and their voices are pretty well shot. Time to retire.


Right.

If this was truly to be their last tour and an homage to legacy, it should have been an homage to their OWN legacy as a band.... pics on the big screen of various incarnations of the band. It seems like they did try some PG songs and BW songs (didn't I see vids of Neil singing Hypnotized?) but dropped it. Stevie's all about the money, and that's partly because she's been groomed that way over decades by her management. I recall LB saying that when Irving took over managing him his only focus was on how many seats didn't get sold on tours (not that a manager shouldn't worry about that on behalf of an artist, but it shouldn't be the only thing, either.) As much as Stevie goes on and on about no one being the boss of her but her, and her mom teaching her to be the boss blah blah blah in reality she's handed over decision making about her career to a series of men (women, not so much because, well, they're women. But she's a feminist!) who really didn't get who she was but just saw her as a cash cow. And she's leaned well into that.:distress: the only person who ever pushed back on her about that was LB. Hence, he was the problem. And now that her team is running the band, it's more of the same.... whatever sells, however bogus.

Steviegirl 11-28-2019 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1254963)
What I liked:
1. That it's finally over.

What I didn't like:
1. That it exists.

Bwah! :lol: Same.

button-lip 11-28-2019 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1255018)
The people who were saying Lindsey stopped them from playing pre 75 material made me laugh.

Those are the same people that have no idea who Peter Green was until Lindsey was fired. Then, they started using Peter Green as an excuse to explain that Lindsey was not the first guitarist in the band, so it was no big deal if he was gone. :lol:


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This last tour was pointless. I mean what was the point?
The point was to make Stevie happy without Lindsey. I doubt she succeeded. No matter what her fans say. :rolleyes:


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The band is is now 50 plus years old and instead of honoring the members who are no longer with us they would rather pay tribute to someone who did nothing to contribute in the band's 50 plus years. The fact that some fans see nothing wrong with that is head scratching to me but I guess some people just love the band and will overlook anything as long as SN is there.
I see it more as Lindsey hate than Stevie love. They don't want to accept the fact that this tour sucked without Lindsey. They just loooove Peter Green and all those inadequate covers. :rolleyes:

ViscountViktor 06-29-2020 06:59 AM

I'd tuned out from Fleetwood Mac when this tour happened because of the Lindsey situation, but just reading about it now, credit to the band for the setlist they started the tour with, it's the most creative I've seen in years.

Oh Well, Black Magic Woman, Tell Me All The Things You Do, All Over Again, Hypnotized, Isn't It Midnight, Storms. All in the first night setlist. And then Man of the World & Blue Letter later in the tour.

Obviously the reaction in the arenas meant they had to drop some of these as there's no point playing them if the audience tunes out whilst it's being played. But at least they tried, way more than they have on recent tours.

UnwindedDreams 06-29-2020 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ViscountViktor (Post 1258658)
I'd tuned out from Fleetwood Mac when this tour happened because of the Lindsey situation, but just reading about it now, credit to the band for the setlist they started the tour with, it's the most creative I've seen in years.

Oh Well, Black Magic Woman, Tell Me All The Things You Do, All Over Again, Hypnotized, Isn't It Midnight, Storms. All in the first night setlist. And then Man of the World & Blue Letter later in the tour.

Obviously the reaction in the arenas meant they had to drop some of these as there's no point playing them if the audience tunes out whilst it's being played. But at least they tried, way more than they have on recent tours.

They did Blue Letter once in Australia. I'm surprised that was dropped. It was on a number one album in the US. I wonder why they didn't play it during the fall run of 2019 in US.
While they did play rare songs, I was happy to hear Storms, Beautiful Child, Sisters of the Moon, Oh Well, Bleed to Love Her, Think About Me, Know I'm Not Wrong,
Without You, & Don't Let Me Down Again (done once I recall) from 2003-2015

ViscountViktor 06-30-2020 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1258663)
They did Blue Letter once in Australia. I'm surprised that was dropped. It was on a number one album in the US. I wonder why they didn't play it during the fall run of 2019 in US.
While they did play rare songs, I was happy to hear Storms, Beautiful Child, Sisters of the Moon, Oh Well, Bleed to Love Her, Think About Me, Know I'm Not Wrong,
Without You, & Don't Let Me Down Again (done once I recall) from 2003-2015

Plus Seven Wonders as well. They did a few rarities but the last tour, on the first night, was the most in ages.

UnwindedDreams 06-30-2020 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ViscountViktor (Post 1258667)
Plus Seven Wonders as well. They did a few rarities but the last tour, on the first night, was the most in ages.

Yes, the opening night and the first handful of shows had a lot of surprises.

I wish Stevie had more singing full songs other than duets (Don't Dream, I Got You, All Over Again) and covers. Though it's too bad she doesn't do You Wreck Me; that was my fav cover she did. I was curious why she chose Storms rather than Beautiful Child or Angel. Storms was done 9 years earlier. Beautiful Child was done 12 years before 2018.

ViscountViktor 06-30-2020 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1258669)
Yes, the opening night and the first handful of shows had a lot of surprises.

I wish Stevie had more singing full songs other than duets (Don't Dream, I Got You, All Over Again) and covers. Though it's too bad she doesn't do You Wreck Me; that was my fav cover she did. I was curious why she chose Storms rather than Beautiful Child or Angel. Storms was done 9 years earlier. Beautiful Child was done 12 years before 2018.

I've always wondered why she never did Angel again with FM after the Tusk tour, it would still suit her voice. After the 2013 tour we'd had the 4 others off Tusk in the recent past, I was really hoping Angel would came back.

UnwindedDreams 06-30-2020 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ViscountViktor (Post 1258670)
I've always wondered why she never did Angel again with FM after the Tusk tour, it would still suit her voice. After the 2013 tour we'd had the 4 others off Tusk in the recent past, I was really hoping Angel would came back.

She could sing it well today. Maybe she didn't bring it back because she used "ghost through the fog" in a recent song, Ghosts Are Gone.

Macfan4life 07-01-2020 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1258671)
She could sing it well today. Maybe she didn't bring it back because she used "ghost through the fog" in a recent song, Ghosts Are Gone.

Stevie liked the song. She performed it during the first month of Wild Heart shows. It would have been a great song to have pulled out during On With The Show. OMG, I LOVE Sisters of the Moon but the On With The Show version was a joke. It lost all of its punch and was a waste of time. Angel would have been fantastic.

michelej1 07-02-2020 10:48 PM

I always figured we would get around to Angel. We had “Beautiful Child.” We had Storms. I always felt that Angel was just a tour away. Now we’ve run out of time.

The Angel lyrics are every bit as iconic as the Dreams or Rhiannon lyrics,


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