Like Stevie? Yeah, not gonna happen. :D

… but still a lot of evilness in her black soul…. :nod:

So you think $he actually has a soul....

Intriguing...:lol:

Why would you expect that from a woman who was all but married to the guy for seven years and had to deal with him, often acrimoniously, for over 40 years after they split? Stevie will never “let it go,” and it’s unfair, if not completely unrealistic, to expect otherwise from her. Sorry she can’t see him through the same fanboy lens as you.

I don't see how it was fair of her to say at the PGA Festival Show that Lindsey was a coward to not to call her to join Fritz. That's slander in front of 20,000 people. Why does she have to bring him up like that? It's like just mention Robert Aguirre and how nice Robert was.
She doesn't benefit from the masses by mentioning Lindsey. She might benefit if she says she loves Lady Gaga or Drake. Then People.com will publish a story on how she said she likes those artists.
She was sued in 2018 (as a party to the group Fleetwood Mac) and her attorney or band attorney had to settle with Lindsey. They felt his termination was justified but they effed up. The lawsuit & settlement got major press coverage. Even on my local news.
Better to not say anything at all about him. She could talk about Jimmy Iovine, Lori, Sharon, & all the other collaborators she loves.

She should stop mentioning him. At all. But yet she keeps on talking on and on about him. Most of the time to slander him. Sometimes she starts complimenting him but then she can't help it and she ends up saying something nasty about him.

Because, you know, he was such a monster to her and she was nothing but a saint…. :angel: Yeah, talking about fanboy lens…. :p

Have either of you ever seen Sonny and Cher dog one another in interviews long after their personal and professional relationships ended? And, they had a child together. Never heard Cher say bad things about Greg Allman. It’s hardly a phenomenon unique to either Stevie or Lindsey.

They were both insecure spoiled rich kids who couldn’t separate their careers as musicians from their personal relationship. They WERE monsters to each other and continue to be.

My fanboy lens is Mick, John, & Christine. Don’t recall seeing John or Christine saying bad things about each other. Maybe that’s because they were both accomplished musicians before they got together romantically. Their identities as musicians weren’t wrapped up in their personal relationship. They didn’t have the “you wouldn’t be anything without me” thing that seemed to plague Stevie and Lindsey. As a result, they became good friends again over time. John helped Christine out with demo work for her 1984 album and she lent him her keyboards for his solo project.

She's the WORST now. I used to be the biggest fan of hers but i just can't do it anymore. She's changed, she's become a bitter old woman hanging on to her fame anyway she can . It's gross. Goat "let me see, who can I attach myself to prolong my fame and make me look relevant.... wait....who's that boy on the TV Harry Styles? Is he famous?" Karen "he's the biggest thing right now" Goat "quick get me backstage to his next show"

Cher will talk about how his drug use doomed them from the start, but she generally describes “Gregory” as sweet.

The one thing I love about her is that, no matter what she might say about Sonny she does not really like anyone else to criticize him. That annoys her. You know what his voice was like. She does not want anyone to say that he had an awful singing voice, even though she clearly knows he did.

I wish that Stevie and Lindsay had that kind of protectiveness towards one another.

I was an English and communication major and I did a paper on Sonny’s solo album for one of my assignments. The teacher had to approve the subject before hand. He told me he would let me do it but he didn’t think I had a lot of material to work with. That made me very angry. Not everyone in the class had to be doing a paper on one of the Beatles did they? I ended up getting an a on that paper.

Sonny and Cher were the work first but I have a thing for duo in general. Jerry Lewis was an awful person but the way he admonished his own ego and took the blame for the break up with Dean Martin really moved mean. He discussed how much he loved Dean. As a writer. He had come to believe that he was the cause of most of their success and he began to write Dean’s part smaller and smaller. Dean just very coolly walked away. What a guy. Jerry eventually recognized his mistake and regret it the bitter end their relationship. I saw them have two TV reunions and I cried all the way through.

And obviously I have like 25 hours of tape devoted to Sonny’s funeral and Cher’s amazing eulogy is the highlight.

Ah well. We here are looking at a number of eulogies in our near future aren’t we?

The thing is, at some point be it Cher or Lucille Ball, the bitterness falls away. It doesn’t get more childish overtime. Not usually.

^^ You better edit that Lindsay!! :lol:

Now, I want a paper on Matthew Rhys!! xoxox

what did she say exactly??

At the PGA Concert?
If you're asking about that, she was speaking before Landslide - maybe.

She said there's someone here tonight that lives or works here in Palm Springs, who invited me to join Fritz because Lindsey was too much of a coward to call me. She said Bobby's full name. I think she raised her knee to her elbow to pose as the famous Thinking Person Statue.

That's exactly what $he's doing. Clinging to anything that makes her appear to still be relevant. That $he's had a hit since the 80's... And I'm sure $he has no idea who these people are, until her yes family tells her.

ah....thanks for filling me in!

What a doosh.

That’s it?

Pretty benign. Lindsey called Fleetwood Mac a dysfunctional family when I saw him in 1993. Remember, he wasn’t in the band anymore at the time. He also said some negative things about Billy and Rick over the years.

^ Applaud bullying and slander if you want.

What's the point of bringing Lindsey's name up? To get enjoyment from the crowd?

It decreased Bobby Aguirre's moment of appreciation.

If she's got a memory vault of "evil" done by Lindsey, I wish she'd share it. As you said, Cher was open about Sonny.
Tina was open about Ike. Carole was open about Gerry. Madonna was open about Sean.

So far from Stevie, I've heard he couldn't work in the service industry, he left their home a mess, was a stoner, and a coward.

Lindsey basically said that Stevie was jealous that he has a family on national television.

"Basically said"...

Interview with Stevie during Unleashed Tour:

"He's married, he's happy, he has three beautiful children that I love. You know, he's found a good, happy, calm, safe place — but who Lindsey and I are to each other will never change."

Still, she said, "It's over. It doesn't mean the great feeling isn't there, it must mean that ... you know, we're beauty and the beast. It means that the love is always there but we'll never be together, so that's even more romantic."

Asked when she knew the romance was really over, Nicks said, "The day his first child was born. I knew that was it ... that was the definitive thing."

Okay, full, long-winded quote:

“I think, you know, sometimes she might find it difficult that I was lucky enough to find my soulmate late in life and had my first child when I was 48 and have three beautiful children and that was something that she never did. You know, she’s basically living her professional life...So I don’t know if that plays into it or not. I honestly don’t know.”

ETA: https://youtu.be/3HZUDrSX1x8

I don't think that quote made it to the TV airing. That may've been an online exclusive.

Was what he said mean? Doesn't that align with the spirit of the 2009 quote from Stevie I shared?

I was at MusiCares at Radio City and Stevie talked about how she doesn't have anybody late at night after shows in response to Dave Navarro talking about loneliness after concerts in a MusiCares montage played on the screens.

Were you one of Fleetwood Mac's attorneys in Lindsey's lawsuit against them?
You could probably get a job as Stevie's publicist!

I've never read so much pro Stevie commentary from Steve since Lindsey was fired from the band. Maybe he just likes to take the minority opinion and run with it. :shrug:

It was aired on TV. I remember cringing when he said it.

It certainly came off as passive aggressive.

I’m not “pro-Stevie,” I just don’t dig how Lindsey has been canonized. I don’t dig how everything Stevie says is pure evil, but everything Lindsey says is completely benign. They’re both a-holes who run their mouths, which is hardly anything new. And, they’ve been a-holes to each other.

The one thing I will give credit to Stevie for is wanting to do away with the prerecords and diving into deeper cuts. Yeah, a new album would be great, but Lindsey has become so predictable with his production that even new songs don’t really feel new. LBCM felt more like a revisiting than something new or original.

I’m ambivalent about Lindsey. I’ve seen him more than any of the others outside of Fleetwood Mac, and hopefully will again. And, I probably won’t see Stevie solo, for the record (although I’ll definitely heck out Crowded House and Dirty Knobs if they’re nearby). However, the prerecords, blatant vocal manipulations, set guitar arrangements, and psychobabble banter is rough to watch after a while. Of course he has a ton of energy on stage, he’s on autopilot as a player. There’s a banality to it. After seeing Richard Thompson, working for Guided by Voices, and, yes, seeing Mike Campbell, I prefer the elements of unpredictability and spontaneity with shows, and that’s simply not in Lindsey’s lexicon.

I respect what you said. I don't agree that it was passive aggressive what he said about Stevie not having a spouse or family. From reading that 2009 quote, from watching Silver Springs from The Dance, the handholding, the tears from the Vegas 2013 performance, I think Stevie hoped it would've been that she & Lindsey would've been single and childless forever. But Lindsey had a kid & ended that hope.

As far as Stevie insisting on deep cuts, how do you mean?

Know I'm Not Wrong, Storms, Beautiful Child, Oh Well, 7 Wonders, Not that Funny, Oh Well were done from 03-15

Are you talking about BMW, Tell Me, & Hypnotized? She sang BMW, sure, but most of that performance was Mike & a solo from Chris. I wish she added a verse written by her instead "Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah"

The whole rhetoric of Lindsey being responsible for the stale setlist somehow came out of the whole debacle/split in 2018 and somehow stuck with many. Quite frankly, it's a crock of sh*t and I don't get how Lindsey got stuck with that label.

I highly doubt Stevie Nicks EVER muttered a single pre-1975 song title during tour rehearsals between 2003-2015. The ONLY reason she magically showed interest for that material was when Mick went into emergency PR mode and had to justify Lindsey's departure as business as usual "because our lineup has always changed throughout the years" despite the fact that just a matter of 4 years ago mick is quoted as saying that the 75 lineup has come to be recognized as a definitive lineup for the band.

They talked up the "new band" and "new setlist" to sell tickets and then axed nearly all of the "new old" songs within the first 20 shows of the tour. But it's somehow Lindsey's fault for the stale setlist. Okay, sure.

It's funny how folks have selective memory and forget that Lindsey wasn't exactly keen on doing the 2009 tour and doing "just the hits"...

Or how they forget about him remarking that "We certainly cant open with The Chain again" - which is why they opened with Monday Morning in 2009.

And let's get real here. The use of some pre-records is no worse than Mick Fleetwood hiding a drum tech behind his kit, filling in huge chunks that he otherwise played back in the day. So don't fool yourself into thinking that pre-records and similar things were an act of big bad Lindsey. The entire band used things like that to help them out.

It's hilarious that people magically have outrage about some pre-recorded parts and turn a blind eye to the army of backing musicians they've had playing behind them for the better part of 20 years.

Oh but Lindsey!!

You're right - they should of called it songs from the vault and hired the Nashville wrecking crew to replicate 30-year-old demos note for note. That wasn't a revisitation or anything.

Point taken. I really can't argue. As time has gone on, we have been watching a cover band of back-ups filling in more and more and more with each tour.

When you compare that album w/ BuckVie, it's not even a contest.

I tried to listen to her 24K. It's really hard to get through it.

A copy was given to me when it came out. I made it through it twice, trying to like it, and just couldn't do it again.

Some of those songs were amazing back in the day. Add the nasal factor and I'm tapping out. :shocked:

I thought that The Chain comment was before Say You Will. Then they did that rehearsal show where they opened with Eyes of the World...and then by the time of the tour opener in Columbus, we were back to The Chain opening. It's been so long now since all of this but I thought it was Mick that suggested Monday Morning for the Unleashed tour in 2009 and that it took some convincing to get Lindsey to go for it - something about playing some old shows (presumably from the latter stage of the Tusk tour) where they opened with Monday Morning and that convinced them to do it.

That all being said, I am in full agreement with you that tagging Lindsey as the stale setlist guy is pretty comical. You gave all the backup and evidence for what a BS crap excuse this was by Mick and Stevie. That fans buy into this too is just ridiculous.

Nope. That’s not what the criticism was. It’s that he didn’t want to explore in depth the 67-74, 88-95 stuff, the music that didn’t involve him, that wasn’t part of HIS legacy with Fleetwood Mac. We all know that his first choice would be new music, but that wasn’t in the cards (different, equally important topic). Still, he’s publicly said that he didn’t enjoy playing the earlier stuff, except for maybe a couple of Peter Green songs, and that he felt like a cabaret act whenever they played that stuff.

I agree that it sucked that those songs were dropped (especially Hypnotized). Still, hearing Christine do solos reminiscent of 1971-72 was worth it for me. I mean, I still got to see Lindsey do his songs, too. For me, it was actually better apart. I got to see Hypnotized, Tell Me All The Things You Do, All Over Again, and I Must Go in 2018.

And, as a fan of the Finns in general and Mike Campbell as a guitarist...It could have been worse.

Probably not. But, her formula changed with the 24KG tour. Mick was knee deep in promoting his 67-74 “Love That Burns” coffee table book, and he and Stevie apparently decided in Italy that they wanted to apply her new MO to a Fleetwood Mac set.

Everyone and their mother knows darn well that even if Lindsey were in the band at that point, preparing for the 2018 tour - Stevie and the rest of the band would never of supported removing 3+ of the "hits" for pre-75 material. If I had to take a bet, the only reason we got Oh Well in 2009 was because it was one of Lindsey's picks for the set, not because Stevie or Mick suggested breaking up the setlist with pre-75 material.

I also wouldnt be suprised if another factor in the sudden pre-75 love fest had to do with saving Stevie's voice for the hideous Tom Petty tribute at the end of the show.

As you've already stated...the only reason this is even a discussion topic is because it was clearly identified as a new MO for the band via mick and steive. It really turned out to be a failed attempt to spin the concept of "what we did to Lindsey is business as usual because lookie over here...we've always had a revolving door of musicians and we pay tribute to all of them in our setlists"....rigggghhhhht.

Where's all the criticism of Christine not playing her earlier Fleetwood Mac material while in the band between 1979-1988?.....probably somebody elses fault, right?

It outsold LCBM, however.

There's absolutely no accounting for taste. If there was, I could explain that old goat's popularity.

And I don't give two f*cks what the masses like. I make my own choices based on the merits of the work before me.

Sheeple.....

Not according to the interview that Mick gave Rolling Stone. It was pretty clear that he and Stevie decided in Italy in 2017 that they were going to be playing obscure, deep tracks. They didn’t specify pre-1975, 88-95, but, given the 24KG setlist and Mick’s 67-74 coffee table book, it wasn’t especially hard to understand what he meant. And, that’s exactly what happened, at least initially.

Really? You couldn’t imagine Mick suggesting a Peter Green song? Especially one that was played on all but one tour since it was released until 1995?


And I wouldn’t be surprised if the pre-75 love had something to do with the career spanning compilation that was about to be released...

She certainly played a couple of early songs on her 1984 solo tour, and it could be argued that when they played “Stop Messin’ Round” with Rick Vito, she was playing her earliest Fleetwood Mac performance, back from the time when she was still Christine Perfect.

However, comparing 1979-90 to 2018 is pretty disingenuous. Fleetwood Mac was a current, active band touring in support of multi-platinum albums. They’ve largely been an oldies band since 1994.

I inferred from Mick's 2017 interview where he mentioned talking to Stevie about the set for the next tour that they were going to explore doing songs that they (Rumours 5) hadn't done in a while, and by that I thought Stevie was speaking on selecting her songs. Stevie in an interview around that time spoke about insisting on doing different things for the next tour and spoke about going through each of the albums and searching for stuff to do.
But I don't think she really showed for it on the 18/19 tour. No Straight Back, Angel, Sara, Welcome to the Room, or Everybody Finds Out. Say You Will was on the 50 Don't Stop package too and that wasn't touched. But heck Gypsy and Storms, a 2009 staple, were done!

I think the pre-FMFM focus was done for fun but also to help replace Lindsey songs too. I remember hearing Neil on the Sirius Channel in May 2018 saying how much of a big responsibility it was to him to sing Lindsey's songs. Too bad they only did Blue Letter once, and/or didn't try Oh Diane, Can't Go Back or Mystified.

I actually think Can't Go Back and Family Man would've been good for Neil, instead of Crowded House and Split Enz stuff in the set.

Do you like goat cheese or milk? I do.

LBCM did better than 24KG and IYD in the United Kingdom. Stevie did press in London for IYD, but not 24. Chris did press for LBCM in June of 2017.

Funny how we inferred different things from that interview. Based on what I inferred, Stevie absolutely delivered. She sang “Black Magic Woman” and turned “All Over Again” into a duet.

Neil can definitely sing pop with the best of them.

However, there was zero chance DDIO wasn’t getting played. Part of the reason they brought on Neil and Mike is because they have legendary careers and have made legendary music. DDIO is Neil Finn’s biggest hit, and it’s one of the most recognizable hits of the ‘80s. They wouldn’t have gone to the trouble of getting him if he didn’t have anything to bring to the table in terms of publicity.

Isn't DDIO a calling card for Neil though? That's Mick's language: calling card
To me it's like if they asked Marky Mark to join FM, there would've been zero chance "Good Vibrations" wouldn't have been played.

So part of the reason they brought on Neil and Mike was to play music that Neil and Mike made outside of FM and not to make a new FM song or songs to play live?