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MikeInNV 01-09-2016 02:31 PM

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Billy posted this pic of himself, along with Rick, Bekka, and Stevie on his Facebook page. It says it was at the Sutler in Nashville, 1996. Does anyone know what this was?

FuzzyPlum 01-09-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1177291)
Billy posted this pic of himself, along with Rick, Bekka, and Stevie on his Facebook page. It says it was at the Sutler in Nashville, 1996. Does anyone know what this was?

Wow, wow, wow. Thats a really interesting picture. Another incarnation of Fleetwood Mac (sans Fleetwood and Mac) :p
I've just read up on Billy, Bekka and Rick's appearance at a saloon bar called The Sutler for (what would have been) Hank Williams' 73rd birthday on 17th September 1996. Nothing I've read mentions anything about a Stevie Nicks appearance but thats definitely her. They played 'Honky Tonkin' and 'You Send Me'.

http://nodepression.com/live-review/...r-nashville-tn

...Upping the ante, Nashville's half of Fleetwood Mac (Rick Vito, Billy Burnette and Becca Bramlett) stepped up for an unforgettable "Honky Tonkin'". The crowd wouldn't let Bramlett leave, so the first non-Hank tune was played, a gorgeous version of "You Send Me".

michelej1 01-09-2016 11:38 PM

[Now, this doesn't mention Stevie and I think someone would have written about her if they knew she was there, but it does mention Billy, Rick and Bekka. I wonder what Stevie sang with them]

Hank Williams Birthday Party - The Sutler (Nashville, TN)
Hank Williams on September 17, 1996

BY ARCHIVE
OCTOBER 31, 1996


A special edition of the Western Beat Barndance, a weekly event in Nashville, this event coincided with what would've been Hank Williams' 73rd birthday. Jett Williams, Hank's daughter, kicked off the proceedings by singing "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry", followed by Bill McCrory of Pirates of the Mississippi rendering "Honky Tonk Blues" and Paul Burch, Jr. singing "Log Train".

The regular Barndance house band, which backed up many of the performers during the show, then left the stage to make room for Jason Petty and the Lost Highway Band. Petty performs the story of Hank Williams' life several nights a week at the Ryman; on this evening, he and his band played "You Win Again", "High Gone Lonesome Blues", "Your Cheatin' Heart" and "Moanin' the Blues". This portion came across as a little overblown; perhaps Petty is so used to playing the much bigger Ryman that he had trouble adjusting to the cozier confines of the Sutler. The music was infallible, but the gestures and mugging got a bit old after a while.

After a brief intermission, the Barndance Band returned with Tracy Nelson and Al Kooper. Nelson offered a very bluesy rendition of "May You Never Be Alone Like Me", with Kooper on mandolin. Mandy Barnett (formerly the star of "Patsy Cline -- Always" at the Ryman) followed with a beautifully sung "Mansion on the Hill" and "My Sweet Love Ain't Around".

Billy Block (host of the Barndance) and Jason Petty then introduced Don Helms from Hank's original band to the crowd, followed by new Mercury Records artist Neal Coty blazing through a significantly reworked version of "Weary Blues From Waitin'". Turning the heat up a bit, Rick Vito blazed into a rockin' version of "Move It On Over".

Nashville favorite Jim Lauderdale followed with a lively set that featured "Half as Much", "Hear the Lonesome Whistle Blow" and the crowd-pleasing singalong number, "I Saw the Light". Victor Mecyssne wrapped his Lyle Lovett-like styling around "Keep It On Your Mind", and Austin Church (who plays Ernest Tubb in the show "Thanks, Ernest Tubb") did a spoken-word version of "Just Waitin'" in addition to singing "You Win Again". Harley Allen, another recent Mercury signee, had the crowd in the palm of his hand with "Cold Cold Heart", and Almo/Geffen newcomer Paul Jefferson delivered one of the best performances of the evening with "Lovesick Blues".

The stage then belonged to Lucinda Williams, who seemed refreshingly at ease onstage as she sang "Take These Chains From My Heart", followed by a song she could have written herself, "Mind Your Own Business", followed by the Ralph Jones-penned "Please Don't Let Me Love You". Allison Moorer, sister to Shelby Lynne, followed, singing "Cold Gray Tombstone" and showing off the kind of pipes that apparently run in the family.

Phil Lee, who Billy Block introduced as "a rat on acid," played a rousing version of "Kawliga" before the crowd was treated to a very special version of "Hey Good Lookin'" as singer Sonny George brought a couple of his buddies, Eddie Angel from Los Straitjackets and Garry Tallent from the E-Street Band, to accompany him. Upping the ante, Nashville's half of Fleetwood Mac (Rick Vito, Billy Burnette and Becca Bramlett) stepped up for an unforgettable "Honky Tonkin'". The crowd wouldn't let Bramlett leave, so the first non-Hank tune was played, a gorgeous version of "You Send Me".

The second intermission of the evening was followed by my favorite Hank -- Hank Flamingo. This big band of swingin' guys rocked through a fired-up, true-to-the-original version of "Settin' the Woods on Fire" and followed it with "Never Lovin' You Again". Duane Jarvis' offering was a very rootsy cover of "You're Going to Change". Mandy Barnett took the stage a second time to offer a very Patsy-esque version of "I Can't Help It If I'm Still In Love With You". The barnburner finale was an all-star version of "Jambalaya".

The sheer volume of music made for a pretty overwhelming event. But Barndance drummer/ringleader Billy Block kept the show rolling, and there was never the sort of down time or lags in the pace that sometimes happen with a show of this nature. All of the artists seemed clearly to love the songs they were singing, and perhaps that's the best tribute to Hank Williams: His music is still loved and sung, and won't be forgotten anytime soon.

michelej1 01-09-2016 11:40 PM

And this Billboard article which describes Hank Williams' birthday party also mentions Billy, Bekka and Rick.

https://books.google.com/books?id=sQ...201996&f=false

aleuzzi 01-13-2016 03:34 PM

This is an unexpected combination of people! And without Mick instigating it!

I never would have expected to see Stevie on stage with Bekka. I would love to hear anything from that performance.

Macfan4life 02-03-2016 01:20 PM

This is really an amazing find. Its like capturing a sasquatch or discovering a new kind of dinosaur bone. Just wow.
What was Stevie doing in Nashville? She used to say she was good friends with Bob Welsh and would visit him in Nashville. I find it hard to believe that in 1996 Stevie would follow the Mac anywhere. Maybe it was odd timing and she thought it was cool to come over and say hello.
During this year 1996 Stevie did odd short solo concerts around the country. She did a 4th of July concert in July 1996 in Tampa. She played Boston too for some radio station birthday.

Thanks for posting and sharing. Really amazing!

SteveMacD 02-04-2016 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1178303)
I find it hard to believe that in 1996 Stevie would follow the Mac anywhere.

Well, it wasn't a Fleetwood Mac show. Fleetwood Mac had broken up at that point (and Bekka and Rick weren't in Fleetwood Mac together). Actually, 1996 was the year Stevie, Lindsey, and Mick did "Twisted."

billwebster 03-08-2016 04:43 PM

This is pretty awesome. Bekka & Billy with Stevie and Rick Vito with his "Pink and Black" guitar!

moon 04-17-2020 10:23 PM

This is simply great...three different times of Fleetwood Mac together in one picture!!
:D:D:D:D

cbBen 05-13-2020 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1178317)
Well, it wasn't a Fleetwood Mac show. Fleetwood Mac had broken up at that point (and Bekka and Rick weren't in Fleetwood Mac together). Actually, 1996 was the year Stevie, Lindsey, and Mick did "Twisted."

A trial run to see whether Stevie and Lindsey could work together prior to their committing to the Dance?

Or had that reunion already been agreed to?

SteveMacD 05-13-2020 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cbBen (Post 1258029)
A trial run to see whether Stevie and Lindsey could work together prior to their committing to the Dance?

Or had that reunion already been agreed to?

I don’t know. I know what they’ve said, but I also know what others have said.

We know Lindsey made a cameo on “Time” and that Neale Heywood was mentioned in the liner notes. Dave Mason later said that they knew in 1995 that the classic lineup was getting back together. So, I think it’s safe to say that Mick started working with Lindsey again sometime in 1995.

Mick announced sometime in February or March, 1996, that he was working with Lindsey on Lindsey’s upcoming solo album. On March 30, I got an email from Dave Mason’s bassist Rich Campbell confirming Fleetwood Mac had broken up. Weeks later, there was an official press announcement.

On May 3, 1996, Mick, John, Christine, and Stevie showed up to the Kentucky Derby, ironically with Steve Winwood filling in for Lindsey. They were supposed to play, but it rained and the McVies wouldn’t play. The next day, Mick did an interview and said Lindsey decided to stay home and work on his album instead. A few days later, “Twisted” came out.

So “Time” was released on Oct. 10, 1995 and “Twisted” on May 10, 1996, seven months later.

You be the judge.

Personally, I think it had become obvious to all sometime in 1995 that Fleetwood Mac was floundering, Lindsey tanked as a solo artist, and Stevie hit a low point in her career, yet Smashing Pumpkins and Hole were having minor hits with Fleetwood Mac songs. I think it became obvious they needed each other to be able to continue having any semblance of a future, especially with Mo and Lenny out at Warner Bros. And, with the success of “Hell Freezes Over” and “No Quarter,” a blueprint for a reunion was already in place.

I think Lindsey very intentionally started using Mick, John, and Christine on his “solo” album. He wanted it to have durability as to how it could be released.

Macfan4life 05-14-2020 05:36 AM

To say Fleetwood Mac was floundering in 1995 is an understatement. The band was staying at Best Western and Holiday Inn hotels during this time. There was an article about the Dance in 1997 in the Palm Beach Post that described how Mick's life had changed. They were renting an entire floor at the world exclusive Breakers Hotel yet 2 years prior the paper pointed out this dumpy Best Western hotel they stayed at prior.

Mick has always taken great pride in keeping the band going. However, I was surprised he recently admitted it was a mistake to do so. I was floored I heard him say that.

Besides Street Angel tanking (it was not even gold in 1994) not charting, and not having any top 40 hits, her tour was not extended as planned. She was supposed to play 2 nights at the new (then) Kravis Center in West Palm Beach. It was never announced but she cancelled the extension of the tour. The Kravis Center is a theater so Stevie was playing the Ohio Fair and in some instances theaters promoting an album that flopped.

I recently watched those long Dance interviews during rehearsals. It was just a reminder that old wounds were not healed but did it for soaking in wild success again.

When Enchanted was released in 1998 many commented how the Dance relaunched Stevie's career. Enchanted sold well but her concert was playing to packed amphitheaters and arenas again.

So not once but twice Fleetwood Mac made Stevie a solo star. Christine was always good with money so she probably did not need it. Lindsey saw those dollar signs and went along for the ride.

SteveMacD 05-14-2020 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1258045)
To say Fleetwood Mac was floundering in 1995 is an understatement. The band was staying at Best Western and Holiday Inn hotels during this time. There was an article about the Dance in 1997 in the Palm Beach Post that described how Mick's life had changed. They were renting an entire floor at the world exclusive Breakers Hotel yet 2 years prior the paper pointed out this dumpy Best Western hotel they stayed at prior.

Mick has always taken great pride in keeping the band going. However, I was surprised he recently admitted it was a mistake to do so. I was floored I heard him say that.

Besides Street Angel tanking (it was not even gold in 1994) not charting, and not having any top 40 hits, her tour was not extended as planned. She was supposed to play 2 nights at the new (then) Kravis Center in West Palm Beach. It was never announced but she cancelled the extension of the tour. The Kravis Center is a theater so Stevie was playing the Ohio Fair and in some instances theaters promoting an album that flopped.

And, Lindsey floundered as a solo artist. In spite of videos and heavy promotion, OOTC sold about what ďTimeĒ sold and he had to resort to opening for Tina Turner.

A lot of pride had to be swallowed all around. But, the six or seven months they spent for The Dance paid off for all of them. Christine got to go out on top (or so we thought), Stevie was able to reinvent her image and become relevant again, and Lindsey eventually found his own niche.

UnwindedDreams 05-14-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1258049)
And, Lindsey floundered as a solo artist. In spite of videos and heavy promotion, OOTC sold about what ďTimeĒ sold and he had to resort to opening for Tina Turner.

A lot of pride had to be swallowed all around. But, the six or seven months they spent for The Dance paid off for all of them. Christine got to go out on top (or so we thought), Stevie was able to reinvent her image and become relevant again, and Lindsey eventually found his own niche.

I agree Lindsey's solo career didn't make as much money or chart as high as Stevie's.
Opening for Tina Turner is a privilege. To me, Tina is the queen of rock, pop, dance. The greatest.
Stevie has opened for Aerosmith and even said she was happy to open for Rod Stewart, playing a shorter set than Rod did.

Macfan4life 05-14-2020 02:40 PM

I remember Fleetwood Mac playing a small nightclub in 1994 (one year before Time) in West Palm Beach. I imagine this is what Mick regrets about carrying the band on at any cost. I wonder what they were paid for such a small gig.

Nicks Fan 05-14-2020 03:11 PM

The thing I always found hypocritical was those in recent years who chided or made of Lindsey for playing theaters and or casinos on solo tours and opening uo for Tina Turner but Stevie has done the same thing. She has opened for Rod Stewart done co head lining tours with The Pretenders and Don Henley. She also has played casinos and theaters as late as the IYD tour. I don't think for a second that if she did another solo tour with zero opening act or Vanessa Carleton again that she would be playing and or selling out arenas.

Her last tour was successful but I think having the Pretenders along helped a great deal. It amounted to a tour similar to the ones being put on with bands like Def Leppard and Journey or Chicago and REO Speedwagon, Heart with Sheryl Crow and Elle Goulding or Steve Winwood and Santanna etc. You get two groups of fans buying tickets.

I think the reunion in 97 helped everyone. Lindsey made some new music finally and did tour even if it took a while before that happened. It just makes me mad that since 97 we have 1 new studio album from FM. Yet they have milked the past for over 10 years vs doing new music for the fans.

Macfan4life 05-14-2020 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1258060)
The thing I always found hypocritical was those in recent years who chided or made of Lindsey for playing theaters and or casinos on solo tours and opening uo for Tina Turner but Stevie has done the same thing. She has opened for Rod Stewart done co head lining tours with The Pretenders and Don Henley. She also has played casinos and theaters as late as the IYD tour. I don't think for a second that if she did another solo tour with zero opening act or Vanessa Carleton again that she would be playing and or selling out arenas.

Her last tour was successful but I think having the Pretenders along helped a great deal. It amounted to a tour similar to the ones being put on with bands like Def Leppard and Journey or Chicago and REO Speedwagon, Heart with Sheryl Crow and Elle Goulding or Steve Winwood and Santanna etc. You get two groups of fans buying tickets.

I think the reunion in 97 helped everyone. Lindsey made some new music finally and did tour even if it took a while before that happened. It just makes me mad that since 97 we have 1 new studio album from FM. Yet they have milked the past for over 10 years vs doing new music for the fans.

Yep. It is so strange.
Lindsey was not happy in 1987 but did Tango for the benefit of the band especially Mick. Christine was not happy in 1997 but did 40 shows for the benefit of the band especially Mick. Cant believe how miserable she was that she would not even do a few shows in her native England.
Oh well, we must appreciate what we got I guess.

SteveMacD 05-14-2020 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1258050)
I agree Lindsey's solo career didn't make as much money or chart as high as Stevie's.

Itís not a contest. Lindsey wasnít viable as a solo artist at that time. His album tanked in spite of heavy promotion and the leadership change at the label didnít favor him going forward as a solo artist. It also didnít favor Fleetwood Mac going forward without him and Stevie, especially if Christine wasnít going to do an extensive tour. Stevie also hit a low point in her career and needed to reinvent herself on a grand scale. A reunion was the only way any of them had a chance to have careers going forward.

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1258059)
I remember Fleetwood Mac playing a small nightclub in 1994 (one year before Time) in West Palm Beach. I imagine this is what Mick regrets about carrying the band on at any cost. I wonder what they were paid for such a small gig.

Youíd be surprised. Some of the small venues come up with serious cash to get a a couple of big name acts. Iíve seen some small venues come up with over $30,000 for a band.

Iíd be curious to see the itinerary at that time. It could have been a pickup gig. In any case, I never faulted the venues and tours they did in 94-95 because they didnít have an album of new material out. Since it was a new lineup with none of the vocalists in the classic lineup and they didnít have anything released except one song, I donít know what people expected them to play.

Macfan4life 05-15-2020 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1258062)
It’s not a contest. Lindsey wasn’t viable as a solo artist at that time. His album tanked in spite of heavy promotion and the leadership change at the label didn’t favor him going forward as a solo artist. It also didn’t favor Fleetwood Mac going forward without him and Stevie, especially if Christine wasn’t going to do an extensive tour. Stevie also hit a low point in her career and needed to reinvent herself on a grand scale. A reunion was the only way any of them had a chance to have careers going forward.


You’d be surprised. Some of the small venues come up with serious cash to get a a couple of big name acts. I’ve seen some small venues come up with over $30,000 for a band.

I’d be curious to see the itinerary at that time. It could have been a pickup gig. In any case, I never faulted the venues and tours they did in 94-95 because they didn’t have an album of new material out. Since it was a new lineup with none of the vocalists in the classic lineup and they didn’t have anything released except one song, I don’t know what people expected them to play.

I regret so much for not going. I wanted to and then passed because of exactly what you said. What in the world were they going to play?
The following year in 1995 they were one of the big acts to headline "Sunfest" which is a HUGE 3 day art festival in West Palm Beach. This was May 1995 and Time was still being recorded. Bekka was there and Billy was in the band and they closed with Go Your Own Way. At that time, I never thought I would hear that song live ever again.

AnthonyMI 05-18-2020 04:38 PM

the Eagles has Hell Freezes Over in 1994 and it rolled over into 1995 successes. No doubt Mick was counting zeros as soon as he saw there was a market for old 70's bands. Around 1996 the 20th anniversary of Rumors was coming up and Vh1 started filming interviews for Classic Albums. Lindsey was busy with Tom Petty working on the She's All That soundtrack and his album with Christine. Stevie had just come down off of Klonapin but was as big as a house. She spent 1995 and 96 slimming down and testing her voice at the festivals. A reunion was coming. there just needed to be meetings with all the managers and the record companies. A little nip and tuck here, an injection of filler there.

UnwindedDreams 05-18-2020 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyMI (Post 1258118)
Lindsey was busy with Tom Petty working on the She's All That soundtrack and his album with Christine.

Did Lindsey contribute to a Petty/HB studio album too? Echo maybe?

SteveMacD 05-18-2020 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1258060)
Her last tour was successful but I think having the Pretenders along helped a great deal. It amounted to a tour similar to the ones being put on with bands like Def Leppard and Journey or Chicago and REO Speedwagon, Heart with Sheryl Crow and Elle Goulding or Steve Winwood and Santanna etc. You get two groups of fans buying tickets.

Except that they were playing arenas, not state fairs or small amphitheaters.

Hypothetical. Stevie plays a 20,000 arena show thatís half full and only half the crowd is there to see Stevie. Thatís 5000 people paying to see Stevie. LBCM headline a 4000 seat arena down the road thatís 3/4 full. Thatís 3000 people for 2/3 of Fleetwood Macís vocalists.

Thatís the reality with Fleetwood Mac.

Nicks Fan 05-18-2020 11:47 PM

My point is that many acts including SN can only fill an arena if they have an act from classic rock era opening up. When they go it alone they play ampitheaters, Casinos, theaters state fairs. People have tried to argue with me on social media that SN can fill an arena on her name alone these days and I say she can't. There is no question she still sells tickets but if she did a tour next year with say Vanessa Carleton or Michael Grimm opening she wouldn't be playing arenas. She would need a strong opening act like The Pretenders to fill up the arenas. Look at her 2011 and 2012 tour. She played the 5,000 seat Fox Theater in Detroit, The Seneca Falls Casino in Niagara Falls NY, one of the Casinos in OK. Not all but most of the big USA venues she played were opening up for Rod and not headlining herself. If I am not correct most of her tours have been in outdoor sheds and not primarily in arena's. In Toronto the first time she played an arena there was in 2011 opening up for Rod and then her 24 Karat tour brought her back to the same venue. Every other time she has played the CNE, RBC Budweiser Stage, or the old Kingwoods Music Theater an outdoor venue at Canada's Wonderland.

Both her and Lindsey played the 5,000 seat Casino Rama in Rama Ontario. She in 2007 and 2008 and he in 2012.

Nicks Fan 05-18-2020 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1258120)
Did Lindsey contribute to a Petty/HB studio album too? Echo maybe?

He played on the Last DJ track "The Man Who Loved Women"

SteveMacD 05-19-2020 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1258120)
Did Lindsey contribute to a Petty/HB studio album too? Echo maybe?

Heís all over ďWalls.Ē

SteveMacD 05-19-2020 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1258128)
People have tried to argue with me on social media that SN can fill an arena on her name alone these days and I say she can't.

Completely agree, there.

I’m no longer convinced that Fleetwood Mac, even if Lindsey was there, could be viable beyond the small shed/casino circuit without Stevie, but she’s absolutely not bigger than the band if she’s in it.

jbrownsjr 06-05-2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1258133)
Completely agree, there.

Iím no longer convinced that Fleetwood Mac, even if Lindsey was there, could be viable beyond the small shed/casino circuit without Stevie, but sheís absolutely not bigger than the band if sheís in it.

I agree with this. I might add that she might be able to sell well by herself, but charge lower if not for Pretenders etc.

Macfan4life 06-05-2020 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1258412)
I agree with this. I might add that she might be able to sell well by herself, but charge lower if not for Pretenders etc.

I disagree. When the Pretenders tour alone, they play small theaters and they are barely full. They are fantastic but don't have such a huge concert lure. Very similar to Christine and Lindsey. It was Chrissy herself who stated during their tour "no one comes to see us, this is Stevie's show.'
Stevie's 24k Gold tour was insanely popular. My belief was just like yours. I thought she could no longer fill arenas. The tour was extended twice. She never had so many sold out shows in her career.
If Stevie was not with the Mac, they would have played to less than half the audience. 2/3 of the Mac's singers could not even fill small theaters.
I know it eats people up to admit it but Stevie fills arenas. So much so, that Mick destroyed the legacy of the band to fire Lindsey. He chose sold out arenas and money over legacy.
If Stevie was to announce a solo tour with no opening act, she would get pretty much the attendance as this current Mac line up. Its been that way for quite a while. The only tour was On With The Show because there was a huge demand for tickets because of Christine reuniting with the band.

In 1986 Stevie filled arenas even double backing to cities because of sold out shows
In 1987 The Mac with Stevie filled about the same amount of arenas

1989 Stevie filled arenas with a mildly successful album and tour
1990 The mac played with less people in mostly full arenas

1997 The Dance sold out - no comparison
1998 Enchanted tour - not as big as the Dance but Stevie fills arenas again after dismal Street Angel tour

Unleashed tour was very successful and played to mostly full arenas
On With the Show - sold out

24K Gold - full arenas, sold out shows, extended twice. Would not stop.


Long story short, she has always packed the house equal to Mac tours except 1994 but the Mac was playing night clubs at that time

Its sad but true, most people who go to Mac shows are there for Stevie. I remember skipping school in 1987 to wait in line for Tango tickets. It was a huge line and almost everyone in line was commenting they were only there to see Stevie. No one cares about Christine. Not that Funny was a waste of concert time, blah blah blah
I don't like this fact but everyone knows it especially Mick.

mitzo 06-05-2020 03:41 PM

Stevie made them all wildly popular on a long term basis and extremely wealthy, including Lindsey.

SteveMacD 06-05-2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1258415)
I know it eats people up to admit it but Stevie fills arenas. So much so, that Mick destroyed the legacy of the band to fire Lindsey. He chose sold out arenas and money over legacy.

Fleetwood Macís legacy is being rockís greatest soap opera. The first three guitarist go nuts, cancelled tours, revolving door of personnel, ex-manager puts out a fake band, affairs, breakups/divorce, solo careers, creative difference, break up, make up, breakup again...

A happy ending with the classic lineup would be anticlimactic for the Fleetwood Mac story.

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The only tour was On With The Show because there was a huge demand for tickets because of Christine reuniting with the band.
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Its sad but true, most people who go to Mac shows are there for Stevie. I remember skipping school in 1987 to wait in line for Tango tickets. It was a huge line and almost everyone in line was commenting they were only there to see Stevie. No one cares about Christine.
Those were the most notable, but Christine had a #4 and #14 hits in 1987. And, the last two Fleetwood Mac tours did better in terms of attendance and being extended than the two tours that preceded them.

A Stevie solo show will do better than a Fleetwood Mac show without Stevie, but a Fleetwood Mac show with Stevie will do better than a Stevie solo show. And, Fleetwood Mac does better when Christine is in the band than not, so obviously people do care, at least in the context of Fleetwood Mac. [/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1258416)
Stevie made them all wildly popular on a long term basis and extremely wealthy, including Lindsey.

To a point. Christine had almost as many hits overall as Stevie, solo or Mac, and Christine had most of the bandís Top 40 singles. Also, Christine had Top 5 hits on ďMirageĒ and TITN, while Stevie didnít crack the Top 10, so her solo popularity didnít translate into successful Fleetwood Mac singles, especially considering all three of her solo albums up to TITN had Top 5 singles.

Stevie is obviously the most popular member, but people understand the difference. There is a context with Fleetwood Mac that draws in more people.

Nicks Fan 06-05-2020 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1258415)
I disagree. When the Pretenders tour alone, they play small theaters and they are barely full. They are fantastic but don't have such a huge concert lure. Very similar to Christine and Lindsey. It was Chrissy herself who stated during their tour "no one comes to see us, this is Stevie's show.'
Stevie's 24k Gold tour was insanely popular. My belief was just like yours. I thought she could no longer fill arenas. The tour was extended twice. She never had so many sold out shows in her career.
If Stevie was not with the Mac, they would have played to less than half the audience. 2/3 of the Mac's singers could not even fill small theaters.
I know it eats people up to admit it but Stevie fills arenas. So much so, that Mick destroyed the legacy of the band to fire Lindsey. He chose sold out arenas and money over legacy.
If Stevie was to announce a solo tour with no opening act, she would get pretty much the attendance as this current Mac line up. Its been that way for quite a while. The only tour was On With The Show because there was a huge demand for tickets because of Christine reuniting with the band.

In 1986 Stevie filled arenas even double backing to cities because of sold out shows
In 1987 The Mac with Stevie filled about the same amount of arenas

1989 Stevie filled arenas with a mildly successful album and tour
1990 The mac played with less people in mostly full arenas

1997 The Dance sold out - no comparison
1998 Enchanted tour - not as big as the Dance but Stevie fills arenas again after dismal Street Angel tour

Unleashed tour was very successful and played to mostly full arenas
On With the Show - sold out

24K Gold - full arenas, sold out shows, extended twice. Would not stop.


Long story short, she has always packed the house equal to Mac tours except 1994 but the Mac was playing night clubs at that time

Its sad but true, most people who go to Mac shows are there for Stevie. I remember skipping school in 1987 to wait in line for Tango tickets. It was a huge line and almost everyone in line was commenting they were only there to see Stevie. No one cares about Christine. Not that Funny was a waste of concert time, blah blah blah
I don't like this fact but everyone knows it especially Mick.

Just curious which shows sold out? I only know of the LA and NYC shows. I stll think though that the tour was successful becuase of the opener. The reason I say this is becuase why in 2011-2012 did she book small venues like Seneca Falls Casnio, Fox Theater in Detroit etc. She had a top 10 album lots of Tv appearances etc yet the most of her arena shows were opening for Rod.

I think if she booked a new solo tour with nothing to promote and no big well known opener she wouldn't be playing 20,000 seat arena's. Since I have been a fan ( 2001- now) her tours solo have been in ampitheaters mainly with some exceptions .

GoldDustWoman22 06-06-2020 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1258429)
Just curious which shows sold out? I only know of the LA and NYC shows. I stll think though that the tour was successful becuase of the opener. The reason I say this is becuase why in 2011-2012 did she book small venues like Seneca Falls Casnio, Fox Theater in Detroit etc. She had a top 10 album lots of Tv appearances etc yet the most of her arena shows were opening for Rod.

I think if she booked a new solo tour with nothing to promote and no big well known opener she wouldn't be playing 20,000 seat arena's. Since I have been a fan ( 2001- now) her tours solo have been in ampitheaters mainly with some exceptions .

This. When I first saw Stevie in 2011, she was playing sheds and amphitheaters for two summers in a row, along with opening for Rod in arenas. She played the Beacon in NYC in 2012 which is the same venue BuckVie played in the summer of 2017. Also, if you look at pop culture Stevie is not some ever popular icon like Mick Jagger, her career has had many highs and lows. Also, FM absolutely helps her solo career, as imo the OWTS tour being hugely successful translated then into the success of the 24K tour. Also, the popularity of Stevie from AHS helped A LOT, she was so trendy from like 2014-2019. But The Pretenders definitely had something to do with the success as well. She played some arena shows on the 24K tour in the summer of 2017 with Vanessa as an opener and they were smaller arenas that had some sections blocked off, definitely not as successful as the shows with the Pretenders. Also, at the NYC 24K tour there sure were a lot of Pretenders fans in the audience? Just saying...I think Stevie's popularity depends on how visible she is in pop culture more than just her name alone.

SteveMacD 06-06-2020 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22 (Post 1258434)
Stevie is not some ever popular icon like Mick Jagger, her career has had many highs and lows.

Bad example. Sheís in the Hall twice. Heís only in once. Mick Jagger had some low points. His solo albums were forgettable.

UnwindedDreams 06-06-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1258437)
Bad example. Sheís in the Hall twice. Heís only in once. Mick Jagger had some low points. His solo albums were forgettable.

Is the Hall truly representative of the diversity & talent of music? I think KISS posed that for contemplation.
Why is Cyndi Lauper not in? Why is Melissa not in? Why are Jon Landau & Irving Azoff being inducted over Diana Ross, Cher, & Tina Turner as individual solo artists?

The interesting thing about the music they played before Stevie's induction by Harry was that they played Rhiannon twice during the video package and Crying in the Night; I thought she was inducted for contributions separate from her Fleetwood Mac role. Rhiannon closed the video intro out too; it wasn't just a passing clip, it was a focus. It led me to wonder if the Hall took this seriously. Do they even know Rhiannon and Crying in the Night are songs from groups called Buckingham Nicks & Fleetwood Mac

Nicks Fan 06-06-2020 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1258440)
Is the Hall truly representative of the diversity & talent of music? I think KISS posed that for contemplation.
Why is Cyndi Lauper not in? Why is Melissa not in? Why are Jon Landau & Irving Azoff being inducted over Diana Ross, Cher, & Tina Turner as individual solo artists?

The interesting thing about the music they played before Stevie's induction by Harry was that they played Rhiannon twice during the video package and Crying in the Night; I thought she was inducted for contributions separate from her Fleetwood Mac role. Rhiannon closed the video intro out too; it wasn't just a passing clip, it was a focus. It led me to wonder if the Hall took this seriously. Do they even know Rhiannon and Crying in the Night are songs from groups called Buckingham Nicks & Fleetwood Mac

I have always had a mixed oppinion on her induction as a solo act. Her 80's albums were successful ( though each one after Bella Donna sold less copies then the previous LP) but her last "hit" was in 1989. Nothing she put out from 94- now had the amount of success her 80's LP's did. I feel like the FM brand has really helped her solo career even when the albums didn't sell (Exception being maybe the Street Angel Tour).

To me the RRHOF is a joke because their rationale behind who gets inducted and who doesn't and the x members of certain bands that are excluded are questionable. ( Why the hell is Bill Champlain and Jason Scheff not in as members of Chicago? They had hits with them in the 80's and had long tenures in the band)

I can't help but feel like her induction was a calculated move by Irving as like a big F- U to Lindsey and a way to justify his firing by proving she is the bigger star then him. Cyndi, Tina and Pat have either sold more albums, won Grammy's sold more concert tickets are icons in the gay comunity and have done numerous things to helo the LGBTQ community etc. WTH is the criteria to get in if those stats alone don't seem to be enough.

Macfan4life 06-06-2020 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1258429)
Just curious which shows sold out? I only know of the LA and NYC shows. I stll think though that the tour was successful becuase of the opener. The reason I say this is becuase why in 2011-2012 did she book small venues like Seneca Falls Casnio, Fox Theater in Detroit etc. She had a top 10 album lots of Tv appearances etc yet the most of her arena shows were opening for Rod.

I think if she booked a new solo tour with nothing to promote and no big well known opener she wouldn't be playing 20,000 seat arena's. Since I have been a fan ( 2001- now) her tours solo have been in ampitheaters mainly with some exceptions .

Remember the Pretenders did not like Stevie's touring schedule for being off too many days. They did their own mini tour within Stevie's tour. They played small theaters in neighboring towns. I was at the Pittsburgh show that was partially filmed. Maybe you could grab tickets but the arena had no empty seats except the ones behind the stage. While the Pretenders were a terrific opening act, I only saw Stevie's fans there. When the 24K gold tour was announced, check out the thread here. I went on the record saying the same thing that Stevie could never still fill an arena. Tickets sold slowly at first but as the days dragged on, the arenas got full. I scored fantastic seats because of how full the arena was. I never bought my tickets till late. The arena was so full that they eventually opened this small part next to the stage and I grabbed them up immediately. So close that I got to see Stevie's dogs and could see her backstage before the lights went out. Her assistant or Matthew or someone brought the dogs out and there were some women in my row that had backstage passes and were some sort of VIP's. She was grossing over 1 million on many nights which was similar to On With The Show on some nights. The tour was so successful that they almost ran out of places to play. I think this is why Stevie wanted some shows taped late in the tour. She was aware that these shows were incredible and maybe would not happen again.

UnwindedDreams 06-06-2020 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1258442)
Cyndi, Tina and Pat have either sold more albums, won Grammy's sold more concert tickets are icons in the gay comunity and have done numerous things to helo the LGBTQ community etc. WTH is the criteria to get in if those stats alone don't seem to be enough.

Cher too. Of course Madonna got in her first year of eligibility. Remember when Stevie slammed Madonna for kissing Brit & Christina at the VMAS: "I thought it was the most obnoxious moment in
television history" - Stevie. Wonder if she would say that in 2020? Hopefully her view has progressed and become the right one.

GoldDustWoman22 06-06-2020 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1258437)
Bad example. Sheís in the Hall twice. Heís only in once. Mick Jagger had some low points. His solo albums were forgettable.

Is induction into the rrhof really going to be the barometer for how much of an icon someone is?? Like someone else pointed out here, her albums continued to sell less after Bella Donna. Also, 2/3 of the hit songs from that album were bolstered by duets with male artists. Stevie is also not necessarily a worldwide phenom, she is mostly known in the US, Aus/NZ (the only time she toured EU as a solo artist was for OTSOTM), Mick Jagger indisputably is. Also, most people associate her as the face of FM, because they mainly associate her with FM besides maybe 4 songs.

I don't think anyone would dispute that the 24K tour was a huge success, but the fact is, Stevie was largely a cult favorite for a long time before the last decade. Her appearance on AHS, and definitely the success of OWTS, and popularity with younger people is what bolstered her recent surge in popularity. It happened in the 90s and it is happening again. We shall see how long it lasts this time...

SteveMacD 06-07-2020 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22 (Post 1258457)
Is induction into the rrhof really going to be the barometer for how much of an icon someone is??

Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Stevie Nicks, all of the Beatles, David Crosby, Stephen Stills, Graham Nash, Neil Young, sure...

Neal Schon an Gregg Rolie…Meh.

Tina should have been the first woman inducted twice.

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Stevie is also not necessarily a worldwide phenom, she is mostly known in the US, Aus/NZ (the only time she toured EU as a solo artist was for OTSOTM), Mick Jagger indisputably is.
But only for one, albeit major, aspect of his career.

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Also, most people associate her as the face of FM, because they mainly associate her with FM besides maybe 4 songs.
The Chain, World Turning. W/ CM: SYLM, DS, Songbird, YMLF, LL, Everywhere, HM. W/ LB: ISA, SHN, GYOW, Tusk, BL. W/ NF: SHN, GYOW, DDIO, OW. Way more than four.

UnwindedDreams 06-07-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1258458)
Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Stevie Nicks, all of the Beatles, David Crosby, Stephen Stills, Graham Nash, Neil Young, sure...



But only for one, albeit major, aspect of his career.

Why didn't you have Joan Jett or Patti Smith in that list joining Stevie's name?

I never thought of Jagger as such a failure:laugh:


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