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jwd 03-03-2018 12:25 PM


elle 03-04-2018 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1221084)
No that wasn’t his argument. And your statement is full of negative twists against Trump. It’s going well.

i have no idea what are you reading into my post, but there're no negative twists in it.

about that whole draining the swamp and him stating he's the best man to do it and why, i'm too lazy to but i'm sure with a bit of googling you will find videos of him saying that - and i'm surprised you think what he said was negative, i would think that's one of the things people liked about him.

it's going well is not telling me anything.

Jondalar 03-05-2018 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1221094)
i have no idea what are you reading into my post, but there're no negative twists in it.

about that whole draining the swamp and him stating he's the best man to do it and why, i'm too lazy to but i'm sure with a bit of googling you will find videos of him saying that - and i'm surprised you think what he said was negative, i would think that's one of the things people liked about him.

it's going well is not telling me anything.

He has gotten rid of most of the Obama administration and Clinton lackeys. There are lots more of deep state to go. He has to work on lobbyist too. Term limits would help. He has been doing well with replacing judges. Trump was not part of Washington. That's why he best to do it and why he is NOT part of the Russian Collusion. The man would not even know how to collude to win the election. He was never a politician. That is one reason people voted for him. The Deep State (the swamp) wants him gone.

elle 03-05-2018 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1221099)
He has gotten rid of most of the Obama administration and Clinton lackeys. There are lots more of deep state to go. He has to work on lobbyist too. Term limits would help. He has been doing well with replacing judges. Trump was not part of Washington. That's why he best to do it and why he is NOT part of the Russian Collusion. The man would not even know how to collude to win the election. He was never a politician. That is one reason people voted for him. The Deep State (the swamp) wants him gone.

thanks for responding. very interesting.

i always thought that by draining the swamp people meant getting rid of special interests, lobbyists and influence of big money in politics, and doing what's actually good for the country and the people.

f i understand correctly you seem to have a very different definition - getting rid of non-partisan carrier public service people. like the ones who are supposed to be keeping special interests and big money in check. however, i may misinterpreting what you are saying since i have no idea what "deep state" is supposed to mean. :shrug:

SisterNightroad 03-08-2018 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1221087)
I must admit I do spend too much of my time following American political news but I can't help it... I find it intriguing and...well... entertaining. Its like watching a Shakespearean play- often tragic. often laughable, sometimes horrific.

Don't think I've ever read Huff Post and I rarely look at CNN. I mostly read British newspapers online; Independent and The Guardian. I'll also admit to being addicted to openly left wingers like TYT, Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert.

Fox News and then everything else; there are normal views and regular opinions, and then there are extreme views as pushed by Fox. That Fox is one of the very few major news outlets that push such a far right wing agenda should tell you all you need to know. There is a reason why the much maligned 'mainstream media' are called the mainstream.

I've just returned from a week without wifi and I've suddenly remembered about an English paper called Savage that was recommended by famous writer Roberto Saviano a few months ago for its knowledge about Italy's economic and political history, can you tell me something about it?

In the same article he was also praising another American magazine called Jacobin and the writer David Broder in particular that writes for both papers if anyone of you knows them.

FuzzyPlum 03-08-2018 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1221147)
I've just returned from a week without wifi and I've suddenly remembered about an English paper called Savage that was recommended by famous writer Roberto Saviano a few months ago for its knowledge about Italy's economic and political history, can you tell me something about it?

In the same article he was also praising another American magazine called Jacobin and the writer David Broder in particular that writes for both papers if anyone of you knows them.


Sorry, I've never heard of either of them. Tried googling Savage and cant seem to find anything. Found Jacobin- looks like a very socialist American paper.

FuzzyPlum 03-08-2018 05:48 PM

Great- an international trade war on the way. Well done Don you 5 year old pillock.
There was me thinking US republicans were all for laissez-faire economics.
Does nobody any good...anywhere. :shrug:

SisterNightroad 03-08-2018 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1221148)
Sorry, I've never heard of either of them. Tried googling Savage and cant seem to find anything. Found Jacobin- looks like a very socialist American paper.

Sorry, I've misspelled, I meant SaLvage!

Dr.Brown 03-08-2018 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1221150)
Great- an international trade war on the way. Well done Don you 5 year old pillock.
There was me thinking US republicans were all for laissez-faire economics.
Does nobody any good...anywhere. :shrug:

An international trade war "on the way"? What do you think has been going on for decades to our detriment? Why do you think everything seems to be made in China today? Previous administrations have looked the other way as countries have unilaterally imposed strict controls and duties on American imports.

Elon Musk (not exactly a "5 year old pillock") pointed out that China imposes a 25% duty on all American cars imported into China while we impose only a 2.5% duty on imported Chinese cars - a tenfold difference! He also noted that US companies cannot own more than a 50% share of any Chinese auto factory while there are five 100% Chinese-owned auto factories within the US. Does this sound particularly "laissez-faire"?

Jondalar 03-08-2018 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Brown (Post 1221154)
An international trade war "on the way"? What do you think has been going on for decades to our detriment? Why do you think everything seems to be made in China today? Previous administrations have looked the other way as countries have unilaterally imposed strict controls and duties on American imports.

Elon Musk (not exactly a "5 year old pillock") pointed out that China imposes a 25% duty on all American cars imported into China while we impose only a 2.5% duty on imported Chinese cars - a tenfold difference! He also noted that US companies cannot own more than a 50% share of any Chinese auto factory while there are five 100% Chinese-owned auto factories within the US. Does this sound particularly "laissez-faire"?

Trump is doing the right thing. The media is always going to put a negative spin on everything he does and liberals will always spread their gospel, which isn’t truth at all. Finally, someone is looking out for America. Of course foreigners aren’t going to like it. They are not going to benefit from it. They want to turn our country into a third world hellhole so they can feel superior. They lost their power long ago.

The liberal media and Democrats are so insane they are willing to create a Cold War with Russia because they lost the election.Democrats aren't simply the pro-immigration party. They've become the anti-border party. The party opposed to citizenship itself. They don't want the border secured. They oppose the deportation of anyone, under any circumstances, even criminal offenses.

We need Trump to put a stop to this madness. And let’s beat China at their own game, while taking back America.

FuzzyPlum 03-09-2018 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Brown (Post 1221154)
An international trade war "on the way"? What do you think has been going on for decades to our detriment? Why do you think everything seems to be made in China today? Previous administrations have looked the other way as countries have unilaterally imposed strict controls and duties on American imports.

Elon Musk (not exactly a "5 year old pillock") pointed out that China imposes a 25% duty on all American cars imported into China while we impose only a 2.5% duty on imported Chinese cars - a tenfold difference! He also noted that US companies cannot own more than a 50% share of any Chinese auto factory while there are five 100% Chinese-owned auto factories within the US. Does this sound particularly "laissez-faire"?

If the US needs to put tariffs on imports from individual countries then that's fine, but its madness to impose tariffs across the board. Now all countries will all revert to protectionism. This will fuel inflation in the US (and other countries) and be bad for you guys overall....shooting yourselves in the foot. The EU is targeting Harley Davidson, Levi's, bourbon etc. This is clever as price rises on those products mean people in Europe will likely just buy other products/brands. In the US you cant avoid buying steel and aluminium so you'll still have to buy more expensive US steel and aluminium making everything you make more expensive and more difficult to sell abroad. Madness. Sad!

Jondalar 03-18-2018 02:02 PM

Whatever the case, America cannot become like Europe, a continent that is allowing it’s people to be displaced. A place that is allowed to have healthcare because of the United States military. What happens when America is no longer their sugar daddy. They are committing suicide. Muslims aren’t assimilating to Europe. Europe is assimilating to Muslims. The history that Europe has prided itself on will be gone like the statues in America that the Left has managed to take down. When you’re little girls have to wear turbans and get acid in thrown in their face then tell everyone how great Europe is.

Jondalar 03-19-2018 02:55 PM

This video talks about the Russian collusion and surprise it comes from real, objective liberals. Watch if you want to learn something instead of that crap being put out there by the bought and paid for media.


becca 03-20-2018 04:30 PM

U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, released the following statement today on President Trump congratulating Vladimir Putin on his “election” victory:

“An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections. And by doing so with Vladimir Putin, President Trump insulted every Russian citizen who was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election to determine their country's future, including the countless Russian patriots who have risked so much to protest and resist Putin's regime."

Jondalar 03-21-2018 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by becca (Post 1221286)
U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, released the following statement today on President Trump congratulating Vladimir Putin on his “election” victory:

“An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections. And by doing so with Vladimir Putin, President Trump insulted every Russian citizen who was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election to determine their country's future, including the countless Russian patriots who have risked so much to protest and resist Putin's regime."

No surprise there. John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Jeff Flake have done nothing but try to hurt Trump.

It’s funny. Hillary admittedly paid Russia for dirt on Trump and doesn’t get charged with collusion. She also profited from selling a bunch of uranium to Russia but doesn’t get charged with anything. Janet Lynch and Obama knew that Russia was meddling with our elections but stopped the investigation. Why, because Russia has always screwed with our elections but they didn’t think Hillary would lose. America is no angel and has interfered with other country’s elections.

As far as Russia is concerned, it’s absolutely pathetic that Democrats are willing to start another Cold War or possibly World War 3 with Russia instead of admitting their mistakes from the election. The mainstream news media is just deep state puppets and they are ramping things up.


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