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Nile speaks with Linds
https://music.apple.com/us/post/1566398049
It's really special how much admiration Nile has for LB. Nile is the best in the business for production. |
Thank you for this. Yes, isn't it great? I think they probably share the same 'total vision' approach to production, where they can see exactly what they want from a song. Lovely to see them together here.
Lindsey and Mick are having a real love-in at the moment, aren't they? They must be cooking something up... |
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There's going to be a longer conversation airing tomorrow on Apple Music. Good pickup on the Lindsey/Mick love-in. I guess Stevie's the lone member of FM who thinks Lindsey is a POS. Mick wants to be creative and you're not going to be creative with Stevie unless she calls you into to play drums on a song or two for her solo album. Lindsey's always about making art. As you sure know! |
This was such a pleasure to listen to. I wished it had been longer.
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Quite right - Mick knows that Lindsey's his only chance for a last shot at an ending with any sort of integrity. Wasn't there a story that Nile was originally brought in to produce Tango In The Night, but it wasn't happening so Lindsey took over? I can see those two really getting on, but maybe two huge creative egos in the same studio would be too much! |
His eyes look different, a little wonky... Botox?? eye lift??
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https://americansongwriter.com/nile-...meaning-radio/ Nile Rodgers Welcomes Fleetwood Mac’s Lindsey Buckingham on ‘Deep Hidden Meaning Radio‘ Videos by American Songwriter by Lisa Konicki about 13 hours ago Fleetwood Mac’s Lindsey Buckingham is the latest artist to sit down and chat with Nile Rodgers on Deep Hidden Meaning Radio on Apple Music 1, due out May 8. “I’m really excited to have Lindsey Buckingham joining me on this month’s Deep Hidden Meaning show. He will be sharing some amazing backstories from the classic Fleetwood Mac songs that we all know and love,” Nile Rodgers tells American Songwriter. “Throughout our conversation, Lindsey also describes how the complex dynamics of the band were a breeding ground for their incredible songwriting which helped to inspire some of the most iconic lyrics of all time. Be sure to tune in for this great conversation!” In an exclusive sneak peek, Rodgers shares snippets from their conversation where Buckingham reveals the secrets behind writing some of his best-loved songs from Fleetwood Mac, including “Go Your Own Way,” and his solo career. Nile Rodgers: “Go Your Own Way.” Damn. Lindsey Buckingham: That was interesting because that’s sort of Act Two, we had joined the band and Stevie and I are basically history, but still there’s some residue leftover and we’re still writing songs about each other a couple of years later. Musically, “Go Your Own Way” was just very, very interesting on a lot of levels because of the timing of the parts in there. We had cut it as a basic eighth note kind of chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk guitar. Then Mick had added… I’d really actually wanted Mick to play the pattern from “Street Fighting Man” that Charlie Watts plays, [imitates drum beat]. He had to sort of do it his own way and he left out some beats and it became more syncopated and a little bit harder to sort of follow in a way until the chorus kicked in. And then that led me to add this sort of back rhythm guitar part, which in some ways was even made the first verse even more disorienting in terms of finding the beat. There is actually a story from that. I remember the first time I heard “Go Your Own Way” on the radio when it had just come out as a single. I was in my car and I was listening to KLOS or whatever it was. The famous classical DJ B. Mitchel Reed was on. He said, ‘Well, we got the new one from Fleetwood Mac. It’s called ‘Go Your Own Way,’’ and he played it and it sounded great on the radio. Then it was over and he came back on and there was a pause, and he says, ‘That was Fleetwood Mac, ‘Go Your Own Way.’’ Pause. ‘I’m not sure about that one.‘ Me being the ballsy person that I was back then, and I suppose still am, somehow I got the number of the station and I called him up and he, to his credit, got on the phone with me. I said, ‘B., What do you mean? What don’t you like about ‘Go Your Own Way?’ He says, ‘Well, I can’t find the beat.‘ Nile Rodgers: Find the one. Right. Lindsey Buckingham: I mean, that was sort of a surprising aspect that never really even occurred to us while we were putting it together, because obviously we knew where the one was. In the episode, Buckingham goes on to tell Rodgers about the “musical soap opera” of Fleetwood Mac, and how he and Mick Fleetwood are “kindred spirits” and share a special bond. Nile Rodgers: Speaking of Mick, he’s always looked like a real imposing figure to me, and just recently, I think it was about a week ago, I saw that he had a restaurant, or has a restaurant in Maui and he was talking about having to furlough employees because of the situation, and he seemed like such a gentle, loving soul, and the one thing that instantly came across, which had nothing to do with the restaurant, was his attachment towards you, or for you. I was like, wow. So the drummer and the guitar player are the two guys who were really down, or at least that’s what it felt like to me. Lindsey Buckingham: Oh yeah, we’re definitely kindred spirits, and because I don’t read music and I never had a lesson in my life and it was kind of the same thing. I mean, obviously, in a more sort of articulated way what I do, but his intuition for what feels right and what is truthful, is just beyond reproach, and he and I have always shared that bond. I think in many ways you are correct that he and I were kind of the spine of what held Fleetwood Mac together in that way. To hear all of Lindsey and Nile’s conversation, tune in to the full episode for free on Saturday, May 8 at 8 a.m. LA / 11a.m. NY / 4p.m. London or anytime on-demand at apple.co/_DHMRadio |
This is a big deal to be asked by Nile to be featured on his show. I'm glad Lindsey's getting recognition.
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Anyone know if there’s going to be a rebroadcast or where to find a recording of the whole interview? I am only able to see the section on Go Your Own Way and Tusk without Apple Music.
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another article with some excerpts (and a spin) from the same interview -
https://www.nme.com/news/music/linds...noagchdXzKl5TY NEWS MUSIC NEWS Lindsey Buckingham says he never got “closure” with Stevie Nicks "We had to spend an awful lot of time together without ever having gotten closure from each other" By Will Lavin 8th May 2021 Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham. CREDIT: Lester Cohen/Getty Images Lindsey Buckingham has said he never got “closure” with former Fleetwood Mac bandmate and ex-parter Stevie Nicks following their much-publicised breakup. Speaking in a new interview, Buckingham, who was fired from the band in April 2018, discussed his relationship with Nicks and reflected on not getting any closure after their fallout. “And really, again, that was part of the deal with Stevie and me was that we had to spend an awful lot of time together without ever having gotten closure from each other,” he told Nile Rodgers on his Apple Music 1 show Deep Hidden Meaning Radio With Nile Rodgers. Buckingham continued: “Most people, when they break up, they don’t see each other for a long time or maybe ever again. But you’re not constantly having to not only see someone but, in my case, make the choice to do right for someone when I didn’t always feel that I wanted to, you know? “In order to take a song of hers, like ‘Dreams’, which needed so much construction around it to take those same two chords and make them evolve from section A to section B to section C. And the love and the choice to do the right thing and to have the integrity to do that. It comes at a price sometimes, you know? It comes at the price of having your defences come up, and sometimes over a period of time, it’s hard to get those down. “So I think ‘Big Love’ was really about someone who was functioning quite well in his professional world but had become quite guarded emotionally, had an emotional moat around him, say, in his personal life.” See the interview with Buckingham above. Last year, Nicks revealed she contacted Buckingham after he suffered a heart attack in 2019. The Fleetwood Mac singer said she urged Buckingham to look after himself. It happened in the year following Buckingham’s firing from the legendary folk/blues rock group. Nicks told the Los Angeles Times that she hasn’t spoken to Buckingham since his departure but did write him a note following his health scare. “You better take care of yourself. You better take it easy and you better do everything they tell you and get your voice back and feel the grace that you have made it through this,” she recalled. She added that she “never planned” for Buckingham to leave the band and was “disappointed” when it happened. “Any time we re-formed to do a tour or a record, I always walked in with hope in my heart. And I just was so disappointed. I felt like all the wind had gone out of my sails,” she said. Earlier this year, Mick Fleetwood reconciled with Buckingham and said he would like to think a Fleetwood Mac reunion could happen. |
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Probably not much we didn’t already know — lots of references to the spectre of Stevie tho.
Most disappointed it not cover his 5 21st century albums. Can’t wait for Eponymous |
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Then. A strange fear gripped me. And I thought: oh no, what if it’s on hold (again (for the fourth time) to cater to FM’s plans? I was u fair above about the interview — some was new to me. Like the intro to Don’t Look Down. Fascinating. |
another article spinning out of the Nile Rodgers' interview (posting because it has interview excerpts) -
https://bestclassicbands.com/lindsey...QyDR2waH4vPqOg Lindsey Buckingham on Stevie Nicks, Mick Fleetwood and Songwriting by Best Classic Bands Staff It’s been over three years since the surprising news that Fleetwood Mac had parted ways with Lindsey Buckingham. After that April 9, 2018 announcement, Buckingham did a solo tour while his former bandmates did an extensive tour of their own, augmented by new recruits Mike Campbell and Neil Finn. Then on Feb. 9, 2019, it was revealed that Buckingham had suffered vocal cord damage as a result of open heart surgery. He has since appeared to have recovered and was even planning to return to the road in 2020, but the pandemic postponed that. In a new interview with Nile Rodgers for Apple Music 1, Buckingham talks about some of the classic songs he wrote for the band, his former relationship with Stevie Nicks, and his admiration for Mick Fleetwood. Buckingham shared those thoughts on the new episode of “Deep Hidden Meaning Radio.” [You can watch the entire interview, released on May 8, 2021, below.] Buckingham was asked about the song “Monday Morning” which appeared on 1975’s Fleetwood Mac. “It was very interesting because Stevie and I had done the Buckingham Nicks album,” he says. “And in the meantime we’d been writing material for a second album, even though we didn’t have a [record] deal anymore. And we didn’t know where it was going to go. And ‘Monday Morning’ was one of those songs. “All of the material that ended up on [our first album with Fleetwood Mac] had been demo’ed before meeting with Fleetwood, before that fortuitous occasion, when I ran into him at Sound City. ‘Monday Morning’ was very reflective of the early dynamic that was later to become a hallmark of Fleetwood Mac, which was couples breaking up, the angst of having to push forward. “Stevie and I, through our struggles with Buckingham Nicks, had had personal problems and had broken up and gotten back together and she was being a bit fickle about things. And the song really was just addressing the fact that maybe on Monday everything was great, but by Friday things weren’t so great. As can be the case with relationships in general. “It’s the opening track of [that] Fleetwood Mac album. And it really does sort of herald what became one of the big attractions of the band, which was the fact that we were this living soap opera, musical soap opera, that managed to push through to follow our destiny. And that was the very beginning.” “Sometimes people don’t understand the dynamics of bands,” says Rodgers. “Like you said, man, it’s a living soap opera.” “After 43 years,” replies Buckingham, “I still don’t understand it, but that’s okay.” Of “Go Your Own Way” from 1977’s Rumours, Buckingham says, “That was interesting because that’s sort of Act Two, we had joined the band and Stevie and I are basically history, but still there’s some residue leftover and we’re still writing songs about each other a couple of years later. “Musically, ‘Go Your Own Way’ was just very, very interesting on a lot of levels because of the timing of the parts in there. We had cut it as a basic eighth note kind of chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk guitar. Then Mick had added… I’d really actually wanted Mick to play the pattern from ‘Street Fighting Man’ that Charlie Watts plays, [imitates drum beat]. He had to sort of do it his own way and he left out some beats and it became more syncopated and a little bit harder to sort of follow in a way until the chorus kicked in. And then that led me to add this sort of back rhythm guitar part, which in some ways was even made the first verse even more disorienting in terms of finding the beat.” Buckingham then shares a story about the first time he heard the song on the radio when it had just come out as a single. “I was in my car and I was listening to [KMET in Los Angeles]. The famous DJ, B. Mitchel Reed, was on. He said, ‘Well, we got the new one from Fleetwood Mac. It’s called ‘Go Your Own Way,’ and he played it and it sounded great on the radio. Then it was over and he came back on and there was a pause, and he says, ‘That was Fleetwood Mac, ‘Go Your Own Way.’ Pause. ‘I’m not sure about that one.’ “Me being the ballsy person that I was back then, and I suppose still am, somehow I got the number of the station and I called him up and he, to his credit, got on the phone with me. I said, ‘B., what do you mean? What don’t you like about ‘Go Your Own Way?’ He says, ‘Well, I can’t find the beat’.” Rumours was #1 for 31 weeks and has sold more than 40 million copies. Related: As a result, only 5 albums reached #1 in the U.S. in 1977 The band’s follow-up was the ambitious two-LP release, Tusk. “You sell that many albums,” says Buckingham, “and you get to the point where the success becomes as much about the success as anything else. And I think there were many external influences that began to sort of loom, some subtly, some not so subtly, around us to make something like ‘Rumours 2,’ and you do find yourself in a position of possibly beginning to forget why you got into the business in the first place and beginning to forget who you are aspiring to be as an artist. A two-page ad for the album ran in the Oct. 27, 1979, issue of Record World “So Tusk, as an album, was made in counterpoint to all of that. And I’ve always said, I would have loved to have been like a fly on the wall the first time Warners sat down in the boardroom and put the whole album on, because I’m sure it just scared them to death. It did confound a lot of people’s expectations, but in many ways it was the smartest thing I ever did. And ‘Tusk,’ as a song, was really kind of the centerpiece of that sense of things, that way of thinking about what we should be doing, even at the risk of perhaps doing less commerce. “[It was] something that would, again, confound anyone’s expectations as a first single, as a follow-up to any of the other singles on Rumours. The idea for the marching band was actually Mick Fleetwood’s idea. Where he came up with that I don’t know, but Mick is someone who I’ve learned a lot from over the years. He’s a total raw talent. When he drums, he’s one of the great drummers, but he has no idea what he’s doing. It’s all heart, it’s all coming from intuition. “It’s not from a sense of being taught, and that same thing applies to his overview of music. And occasionally he’ll come up with just a brilliant idea to augment something. And ‘Tusk’ may be at the top of that list, in terms of finishing that song off exactly as it should have been.” “So the drummer and the guitar player are the two guys who were really down, or at least that’s what it felt like to me,” says Rodgers. “Oh yeah, we’re definitely kindred spirits,” says Buckingham. “And because I don’t read music and I never had a lesson in my life and it was kind of the same thing. I mean, obviously, in a more sort of articulated way what I do, but his intuition for what feels right and what is truthful, is just beyond reproach, and he and I have always shared that bond. I think in many ways you are correct that he and I were kind of the spine of what held Fleetwood Mac together in that way.” Rodgers takes a moment to praise Buckingham’s guitar playing. “Thank you so much. What I’ve always tried to do is use the guitar in the most orchestral context possible, and to really think in terms of what is best for the song. And the guitarists who have always engaged me the most have been ones who have thought about that bigger picture and tried to enhance and really make choices creatively in service of the record, in service of the production, in service of the song. And quite often, that gets noticed much less because people just take it as part of the grain of what’s going on.” “’Big Love’ became on stage a real signature piece that was reinterpreted for a single guitar. The song originally… was about isolation, and it was about the fact that I was living up in Bel Air at the time in this house on a hill, with a view of downtown, and I had my studio there, and I was all set to go. But I was also not attached at that time. And so the chorus [is] basically saying, looking out for love. But it doesn’t say that I’m looking for love. You know? “I’m more sort of looking out for myself that I don’t want something to sort of cross my path, which is going to trip me up. And again, I guess you could say the spectre of Stevie is in there somewhere. In terms of, some of the hurt and some of the defense mechanisms that can kick in, especially when you’ve had to be in a band with someone for so long. “And really, again, that was part of the deal with Stevie and me was that we had to spend an awful lot of time together without ever having gotten closure from each other. Most people, when they break up, they don’t see each other for a long time or maybe ever again. But you’re not constantly having to not only see someone but, in my case, make the choice to do right for someone when I didn’t always feel that I wanted to, you know? “In order to take a song of hers, like ‘Dreams,’ which needed so much construction around it to take those same two chords and make them evolve from section A to section B to section C. And the love and the choice to do the right thing and to have the integrity to do that. It comes at a price sometimes, you know? It comes at the price of having your defenses come up, and sometimes over a period of time, it’s hard to get those down. So I think ‘Big Love’ was really about someone who was functioning quite well in his professional world but had become quite guarded emotionally, had an emotional moat around him, say, in his personal life.” Watch Rodgers’ full interview with Buckingham on Apple Music 1 |
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sounds like Lindsey has been doing most interviews lately to try to re-establish his FM legacy, and not looking towards the future anymore, which is dissapointing. i really really hope your and buttonlip's fears of solo album being FMMickdopted again are unfounded and that it will come out as solo as soon as LB has some tour dates on the books. |
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Unless it was a rule before the interview started I see no reason to talk about FM most of the time unless there's some upcoming project with them. :mad::mad::mad: :( |
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FM, at least with Lindsey, is OVER. DONE. KAPUT. They BURNED that bridge. Stupid old goat. And that dumb assed Mick, too. It's RUINED. |
Maybe Stevie has realised that...
Life is actually short and flies by even quicker when you are in your seventies. Too short, to pirouette around the kitchen......And. Has written some new stuff, (maybe lockdown has inspired her !!!) So Lindsey has saved his solo material, in the hope of a final Fmac Album. The interview did lurch in a Mac direction. But this is only fantasy.....no way will the Rumours 5 ever get together, again. |
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Luckily from Mick admitting he’s been talked to recently it’s clear that none of this is true. |
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Mick, is a product of the English Public school system, and they both have problems defining truth .. |
A few random things that came to me reading through this thread and listening to the podcast.
The producer who worked for about a week on Tango in the Night was Jason Corsaro. He was the Recording Engineer on some of the 80's Chic albums, along with their offshoot The Power Station. He also had engineering credits on 80's megahits from Robert Palmer and Steve Winwood. He had done limited producing at that point and I think after about a week was swallowed alive by Lindsey... The podcast was pretty good. I did hear a bit of rasp at times in Lindsey's voice, particularly at the end of sentences, but that could be anything from allergies, to a cold, talking a lot, even some recent singing. My god though, so many Stevie references and the spectre of Stevie. First time I have ever heard Lindsey link Go Insane to Stevie and then again Big Love. He was really working hard to make it clear what a lifelong impact she has had on him. Of course he made sure to mention that Dreams was two repetitive chords that would not have breathed if it was not for his construction of the song. Always a little reminder to her that the success of her early songs depended upon him and without those early songs - Rhiannon, Dreams. Sara, etc., the massive solo career that she built may have never come to be. And now let's get to the Mick love affair - He actually said "Mick's intuition for what is truthful is beyond reproach" It seems to me that the two of them are for sure planning something. The lack of mention of any upcoming solo work or acknowledgment of a completed album or even a backlog of unreleased material, tells me there is a hold in Lindsey's mind on labeling his upcoming work. Lindsey is a grown man and his desires and wants may be very different than the fanbase here, and it seems clear his Fleetwood Mac legacy is now very important to him even if that runs counter to what his ardent supporters may want and feel. |
Great interview in my opinion. I'm a guy who loves to hear the details on songwriting/recording and he gave plenty of cool tidbits that I hadn't heard before. Of course the media created a bs headline out of context to push the Stevie/Lindsey narrative some more.
Not to give too much away for those who haven't heard it, but Nile ends the interview with a comment showing about as much respect for someone as you can. Tells you alot. Loved it. |
No man "with a pair" would go back after being treated the way they treated him.
Now, if $tevie's out, that might change things a bit. I personally won't go to a show with both of them. Again, I'd $tevie's out, then I'd go. Because if they held hands and kissed, I'D VOMIT RIGHT WHERE I WAS STANDING! |
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I'd go too without $tevie, but we both know she's the golden goose. Nothing happens without her input. :shrug: |
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I honestly don’t understand why he still loves Mick. This isn’t the first time Mick stabbed him in the back.
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If he is shelving already done solo album for some imaginary FM reunion bs, then he didn’t learn anything from the past, and I believe he’s way smarter than that - and also, in that case, for a man who claims how he’s looking forward towards the future rather than dueling on this past, he would be completely full of it and completely stuck in the past. I believe he’s way better than that. |
I think there was little mention of the album because he probably has to re-align with the label for what they want to do post-covid. It's also very possible that reprise/warners or whoever he was initially with, voided their contract or deal due to covid delays. If that happened, he would have to shop around for another label.
If he's still on the hook to deliver that album, he probably can't start taking tracks off of it for a potential Buckingham McVie project if the album has already been approved by the label as is. |
I have no problem with Lindsey returning to FM, with or without Stevie. I kind of think that maybe Lindsey would rather have his songs on an album that sold well than became a cult favorite, you know what I mean? A Fleetwood Mac album will sell better than a Lindsey Buckingham record. And a Fleetwood Mac song may get more airplay than a Lindsey Buckingham song. Not a top ten hit, I mean FM will never get one of those again, but still get more airplay, which in theory would lead to more sales. Just a thought- so many people talk about Lindsey wanting to preserve the legacy of FM, but I’m sure he would like to preserve his own legacy as well, and maybe part of that is being able to embrace being a part of FM again, in some form. BTW, I know Buckingham/McVie sold pretty well and surprised a lot of folks in the industry, which was awesome. I still think it would have sold even more if it had been called a FM album, though. I really think just the name factor of FM sells records. And while I don’t think sales has ever been a driving force behind Lindsey’s work, don’t music artists ultimately want their work to be heard by as many people as possible? That’s not a bad thing to want.
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He and Mick ought to actually listen to some of the 1980 live tracks on the last two deluxe releases just to get their mojo back and then go record together. Drop the “art” and self-consciousness and just slam their respective balls together. They used to — that’s fully one-third of Tusk. |
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frankly, that was the only new thing in that interview, as far as Lindsey goes. i did enjoy listening to what Nile had to say, and it was definitely nice to hear how much someone of his caliber admires and appreciates LB and his work. would be great for them to have a meal and jam together, one day. :cool::thumbsup: |
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If Lindsey thinks that acceptable, well, that just sick. Nuts. What the hell happened to "the Tusk guy"? The Tusk guy would have told them to shove it! I'd have rented billboards all across the country, with a pic of $tevie on it, with a big red "NO" symbol across her face. Signed, "Love, Lindsey". |
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