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ViscountViktor 04-18-2017 05:30 AM

UK General Election
 
8th June: General Election here in the UK.

Politics never stops does it! Expect to see Labour wiped out and May and the Conservatives get an increased majority. Scotland will be really interesting to watch as well, whether the SNP do better or worse than last time and the implications for independence.

FuzzyPlum 04-18-2017 02:50 PM

Shrewd move by Theresa May. I reckon Labour's seats could be cut to somewhere between 150-200. The biggest winners apart from the Conservatives will be the Liberal Democrats- I think they'll significantly increase their share of the votes and pick up an extra dozen or so seats (including Vince Cable who will stand near to me in Twickenham again). Conservatives might take a couple of extra seats in Scotland but I'd expect SNP to keep most of their huge majority. Scotland will be interesting though.
In general I think a major wipe out would be quite good in a sense for Labour- they need an excuse and an opportunity to get rid of Corbyn. Probably better to get it over and done with now rather than limping along for another few years. On average bookies are offering odds of 1/14 for a Conservative win and one bookie is even going as far as 1/20. Brexit, Trump... no chance of an upset with this one, surely.

MoonSister75 04-19-2017 01:34 AM

​I don't think anyone can be certain of anything after what happened last year. I personally think the current Brexit team is a total disaster so I'm praying for some kind of change :angel:

Thanks to the moderation team for reinstating these threads. I hope it remains reasonably peaceful in here.

ViscountViktor 04-19-2017 05:19 PM

ITV doing a debate without May - good on them.

FuzzyPlum 06-09-2017 12:36 AM

...just as I said; a tight election with a hung Parliament :rolleyes:

sue 06-09-2017 05:58 AM

Hung Parliament with all the uncertainty that brings....
and the possibility of another EU referendum???

Ps....could Mrs May stop having her hair cut, she looks like a Viking warrior.

MoonSister75 06-09-2017 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1211034)
...just as I said; a tight election with a hung Parliament :rolleyes:

:laugh: ;)

​Well I'm over the moon with the result - I'm a big supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, and gaining 41% of the vote from where they were weeks ago, is just amazing! Politics of hope.

Yes things are uncertain with a hung parliament, but nothing could be worse (IMHO) than a far right Conservative brexit team with a hugely increased majority.

Great news for this country - well done the great British public. After a heavy year, everything feels a little lighter today, at least to me.

Weak, wobbly, arrogant Theresa May :shrug: oh dear....

sue 06-09-2017 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoonSister75 (Post 1211048)
:laugh: ;)

​Well I'm over the moon with the result - I'm a big supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, and gaining 41% of the vote from where they were weeks ago, is just amazing! Politics of hope.

Yes things are uncertain with a hung parliament, but nothing could be worse (IMHO) than a far right Conservative brexit team with a hugely increased majority.

Great news for this country - well done the great British public. After a heavy year, everything feels a little lighter today, at least to me.

Weak, wobbly, arrogant Theresa May :shrug: oh dear....

Here, here....well said.....could NOT believe the exit poll.
So much so I had to stay up till 3am.
The trouble is, as you say, arrogant May I think she'll plough on with her
bloody hard brexit regardless.
Unless she is pushed during the summer recess.

MoonSister75 06-09-2017 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sue (Post 1211052)
Here, here....well said.....could NOT believe the exit poll.
So much so I had to stay up till 3am.
The trouble is, as you say, arrogant May I think she'll plough on with her
bloody hard brexit regardless.
Unless she is pushed during the summer recess.

I'm not really not sure what will happen with Brexit now, but something has to happen, and for some reason I feel much more positive about it today.

Yes the exit poll made it a very exciting night. I'd planned to watch an hour or 2, but I also turned the TV off at 3am. Then found I couldn't sleep and wanted to know what was happening, so got up again and watched until 5am.

I'm not really sure how Theresa May can now stay on as PM in the long term, but maybe she will. I'm just glad she's not in an even more powerful position, and that Labour now have a big increase in MPs. Personally I just feel it's important for Brexit that there is more of a shared power between the parties (although I realise many others would disagree with me)​

And I just have to mention again - Jeremy Corbyn!! What a star that man is :xoxo:

FuzzyPlum 06-09-2017 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoonSister75 (Post 1211056)
I'm not really not sure what will happen with Brexit now, but something has to happen, and for some reason I feel much more positive about it today.

Yes the exit poll made it a very exciting night. I'd planned to watch an hour or 2, but I also turned the TV off at 3am. Then found I couldn't sleep and wanted to know what was happening, so got up again and watched until 5am.

I'm not really sure how Theresa May can now stay on as PM in the long term, but maybe she will. I'm just glad she's not in an even more powerful position, and that Labour now have a big increase in MPs. Personally I just feel it's important for Brexit that there is more of a shared power between the parties (although I realise many others would disagree with me)​

And I just have to mention again - Jeremy Corbyn!! What a star that man is :xoxo:


Have to disagree... worst possible result for the country with regards to Brexit negotiations. May can't step down now. The whole point of having an election was because she was an unelected Prime Minister. If she steps down we'd be back in the same position and facing the possibility of another election sooner rather than later. Anyway, if she steps down the successor is likely to be...Boris!

Jeremy Corbyn... a star? Hmmm. I'm sure all those ex-shadow cabinet ministers that felt they couldn't work for him will disagree. Nice bloke but couldn't lead a party out of Hampton Court maze.

MoonSister75 06-09-2017 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1211069)
Have to disagree... worst possible result for the country with regards to Brexit negotiations. May can't step down now. The whole point of having an election was because she was an unelected Prime Minister. If she steps down we'd be back in the same position and facing the possibility of another election sooner rather than later. Anyway, if she steps down the successor is likely to be...Boris!

Jeremy Corbyn... a star? Hmmm. I'm sure all those ex-shadow cabinet ministers that felt they couldn't work for him will disagree. Nice bloke but couldn't lead a party out of Hampton Court maze.

I think we'll just have to disagree on this one. He ran an incredible 6 week campaign with an incredible result that almost no one predicted. It also showed clearly just how dreadful Theresa May is as a leader, and how she can't be trusted. From all the interviews I have seen with his ministers they seem to be fully behind him and admitting they were wrong in their judgement.
It should be an interesting time to see what happens from here.

sue 06-09-2017 05:15 PM

It doesn't matter what you think of Corbyn, personally, but he has proven he can fight a good campaign and lead his party from the front.
He definitely got on a roll that people joined.

At the start of the campaign when the election was called, by Mrs May, the Conservatives held an 18 percent lead over Labour.
When all the results were in this morning, that lead had been shrunk to 2.4 percent.

So, lead his party out of Hampton Court maze.....mmmm.
I think the above figures answer that.

AlexD 06-19-2017 10:10 PM

Do any of you in either the U.K. or France feel as if Western Civilization is being threatened by the mass immigration of Muslims into your country? It seems as if every month we see a new #Prayfor[Fill in the blank] trending because of a new radical Islamic terroirist attack in Europe. As an America , it is very sad to see this happening to other Western Civilization countries. A lot of us here want to do something about it, but unfortunately the people who run the country are pushing for this to happen to us.

FuzzyPlum 06-20-2017 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexD (Post 1212176)
Do any of you in either the U.K. or France feel as if Western Civilization is being threatened by the mass immigration of Muslims into your country? It seems as if every month we see a new #Prayfor[Fill in the blank] trending because of a new radical Islamic terroirist attack in Europe. As an America , it is very sad to see this happening to other Western Civilization countries. A lot of us here want to do something about it, but unfortunately the people who run the country are pushing for this to happen to us.

No. Do Americans feel US civilisation is threatened by the constant mass shootings and general gun crime that seems to occur on a daily basis over there? I feel much, much, much safer here.

AlexD 06-20-2017 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1212271)
No. Do Americans feel US civilisation is threatened by the constant mass shootings and general gun crime that seems to occur on a daily basis over there? I feel much, much, much safer here.

The overwhelming majority of gun crime in the US comes from people acquiring weapons illegally. On top of that, the sad truth is a huge percentage of the crimes are minorities killing each other in areas that the majority of America will never step foot in. Literally minutes before I checked the ledge, I see another attempted suicide bombing in Brussels happened. These attacks are happening in regular areas that you could easily be in like subway stations and airports. It's much different than the gun violence here that's happening in some ghetto corner of America. Guess which European country has not had a single Muslim terrors attack? Poland. Guess how many refugees they've let in? Zero. It's so pathetic to see this happening and have people like you basically normalizing it. Terror is not "part of living in a big city". It's not hard to find out why this is happening.

FuzzyPlum 06-20-2017 04:27 PM

Don't you dare accuse me of normalising it. There is nothing at all normal with terrorism. It is deeply saddening and disgusting that it happens. You asked what people in the UK and France think and feel and my honest response is I think I feel safer in the UK than if I lived in the states. Gun crime is at ridiculous levels in the US. More people are shot dead by your police in one month than all the people shot dead by British police... ever. More people were killed in a single nightclub attack than in all terror attacks in the UK in the last 10 years combined. This is not, on the whole an unsafe place to be compared to your country.

jbrownsjr 06-20-2017 08:41 PM

Great debate is fine guys/gals... but, let's keep it civil and attack the issues.

AlexD 06-20-2017 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1212298)
Great debate is fine guys/gals... but, let's keep it civil and attack the issues.

Thank you!

MoonSister75 06-21-2017 01:07 AM

I believe it's much more complex than extremist terrorism only being a product of immigration. Many of the attackers have been born ​and brought up in the country of the attack, but have been radicalised by dangerous extremist ideology. The last attack here was by a white extreme racist, who probably had mental health problems. Another attack was by a man of a mixed race/African descent who had converted to radical Islam. Mental health and social problems play a huge role in what's happening over here.

Also I don't think the Brexit vote and recent elections have helped, as it's divided the country even more and lead to more hate crime. The internet is also a huge problem when it comes to radicalisation. And then you have the age old issues of the wars in the middle east and the involvement of West leading to resentments building up, and the messed up ideology of radical Islam and ISIS.

I really don't think these attacks will stop if you shut the borders. I don't believe it's the answer and could make the situation worse by breeding more hatred and intolerance. We need to get to the roots of the problems of radicalisation, social issues in our own countries and the relationships Western countries have with those in the Middle East.

Just my opinion and I don't want to get involved in any arguments

MoonSister75 06-21-2017 01:11 AM

And as for the suggestion that mass immigration of Muslims is the problem - I don't believe there is mass immigration of Muslims - I'd have to see the figures. And very importantly Islam is a peaceful religion - and a completely different thing to radical extremist Islam.

Hate and intolerance breeds more hate and violence...


edit.. just spotted an article that discusses these issues for anyone interested

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...terror-attacks

sue 06-25-2017 04:16 AM

I agree with Moonsister, a lot of the terror issues have been carried out by 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims...
Muslims make up only 5% of the UK population, hardly mass immigration.

A false view of the terror is held just as we probably have a false view of the gun problems in the US....it seems to us that a mass shooting occurs every other month and not in ghettos but schools and malls.

MoonSister75 06-25-2017 10:03 AM

I agree sue, false views are easily perpetuated by the media. I just think the whole mix of terror events, Western-middle east conflict, extreme Islam and hate crime is so ​complex, the answer doesn't lie in just putting a stop to immigration of one group.

On a lighter note. I know we are not all fans of Jeremy Corbyn in this thread, and not in agreement about whether he is a "star" but I just wanted to share these wonderful Glastonbury photos. Apparently he drew a bigger crowd than the Rolling Stones when they played a few years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/ga...17-in-pictures

sue 06-25-2017 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoonSister75 (Post 1212720)
I agree sue, false views are easily perpetuated by the media. I just think the whole mix of terror events, Western-middle east conflict, extreme Islam and hate crime is so ​complex, the answer doesn't lie in just putting a stop to immigration of one group.

On a lighter note. I know we are not all fans of Jeremy Corbyn in this thread, and not in agreement about whether he is a "star" but I just wanted to share these wonderful Glastonbury photos. Apparently he drew a bigger crowd than the Rolling Stones when they played a few years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/ga...17-in-pictures

I haven't seen Jezza's clip yet, but I agree he is a star in the ascendancy.

Ps have just watched his clip....huge crowds

FuzzyPlum 09-30-2017 02:42 PM

USA.
Your great leader is a complete and utter tosser!
Sorry, but his latest dickish tweets make me so angry.

ViscountViktor 10-03-2017 05:39 PM

Another mass shooting.

I don't understand why you don't just ban guns.

Sapphire Girl 10-04-2017 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViscountViktor (Post 1217181)
Another mass shooting.

I don't understand why you don't just ban guns.

And a criminal is going to abide by this because...?

iamnotafraid 10-06-2017 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViscountViktor (Post 1217181)

I don't understand why you don't just ban guns.


Can we ban mental illness?

FuzzyPlum 10-20-2017 01:35 PM

Donald 'Moron' Trump has conflated rising UK crime rates with Islamic terrorism. Though we cannot be proud of rising crime rates there are absolutely no grounds for blaming Muslims. This Islamophobic tw*t is a complete embarrassment. The guy has an IQ of a child and an EQ of a house brick.

sue 10-20-2017 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1217716)
Donald 'Moron' Trump has conflated rising UK crime rates with Islamic terrorism. Though we cannot be proud of rising crime rates there are absolutely no grounds for blaming Muslims. This Islamophobic tw*t is a complete embarrassment. The guy has an IQ of a child and an EQ of a house brick.

I think you have to take Trump with a pinch (spadeful) of salt....
He is sort of funny ...if he wasn’t President,
Who governs by Tweet for God’s sake.?
However he was democratically elected, and we have to respect our American friends choice of President...don’t we?

Jondalar 10-21-2017 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sue (Post 1217720)
I think you have to take Trump with a pinch (spadeful) of salt....
He is sort of funny ...if he wasn’t President,
Who governs by Tweet for God’s sake.?
However he was democratically elected, and we have to respect our American friends choice of President...don’t we?

First time I voted Republican was for Trump and am so glad I did. He can tweet his his butt off!

sue 10-21-2017 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1217728)
First time I voted Republican was for Trump and am so glad I did. He can tweet his his butt off!

Well, he certainly tweets through it.....🤐🤐🤐🤐

iamnotafraid 11-29-2017 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 1218929)
Domestic abuse never really does. Neither does sexual assault unless you're a judge from Alabama with a predilection for teenage girls. Just sayin'.

Don't forget the President from Arkansas (and his enabler),
then Al Franken Senator for Minnesota. Alabama has hardly
got the market cornered on such - just sayin'.

Bad time to be a man says Barry.

Jondalar 11-29-2017 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid (Post 1218992)
Don't forget the President from Arkansas (and his enabler),
then Al Franken Senator for Minnesota. Alabama has hardly
got the market cornered on such - just sayin'.

Bad time to be a man says Barry.

How about a Kennedy who gets drunk and leaves a woman drowning in a vehicle or a president who gets blow jobs from interns and rapes women.

HomerMcvie 11-29-2017 02:28 AM

I say, let's kill ALL MEN!

White men to the front of the line! Retribution, biotches! :sorry::xoxo:

gldstwmn 11-29-2017 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid (Post 1218992)
Don't forget the President from Arkansas (and his enabler),
then Al Franken Senator for Minnesota. Alabama has hardly
got the market cornered on such - just sayin'.

Bad time to be a man says Barry.

Oh I'm not saying it knows party or even gender lines. Roy Moore was the first example that popped into my head. It does seem to be far more prevalent in those with a penis though. Let's face it. They've had and still have the advantage.
Another big one bit the dust this morning, Matt Lauer. I'd imagine some people's balls are starting to shrivel at this point so to speak.

gldstwmn 11-29-2017 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1218994)
How about a Kennedy who gets drunk and leaves a woman drowning in a vehicle or a president who gets blow jobs from interns and rapes women.

Yeah. That's just as bad as advocating violence against women. What's your point?

gldstwmn 11-29-2017 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1218995)
I say, let's kill ALL MEN!

White men to the front of the line! Retribution, biotches! :sorry::xoxo:

And yet OJ Simpson got away with murder. Nope.

Jondalar 11-29-2017 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 1219003)
Yeah. That's just as bad as advocating violence against women. What's your point?

My point is they moralistic Democrats. Hollywood and Democrats always sit in judgement of everybody but they are the biggest pervs.

bombaysaffires 11-29-2017 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViscountViktor (Post 1217181)
Another mass shooting.

I don't understand why you don't just ban guns.

by another white, male, Christian.

We should ban them from coming to the US.


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