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Okay, confess.
I seem to be the only person who prefers Mirage to Tango.
I don't like Red Rover. When I See You Again grew on me. I'm not in love with Everybody Finds Out. (It sounds like she wants to be Cher, an older diva with a dance track.) I don't hate it, I even like it, but I love RTTG much more - lyrics, instruments, production. Fall from Grace is one of my least favorites on TISL, but I like TFFT. I don't mind the dancers in the Stand Back video. Sign of the times, & they're no on too too much. With some exceptions, I prefer Chris's earlier work to her later work. Worse, I think she did some great songs post-Lindsey. I find a couple of Lindsey's songs monotonous on Tusk. I think Stevie looked better in the Seven Wonders video than in any other. Empire State doesn't bother me. Family Man does. Just my (unpopular) opinions. (Flame away. ;) ) What's your most unpopular FM opinion? - Jake |
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P.S. I don't think your opinion about "Mirage" was all that unpopular; I prefer that wonderful album, too. P.P.S. I know that, here on the Ledge, we can all feel safe in talking about our unpopular FM opinions without being flamed or put down. |
Here's my take
I seem to be the only person who prefers Mirage to Tango.
I like them both equally I don't like Red Rover. I love Red Rover and think it's probably Lindsey's best on SYW. When I See You Again grew on me. ME TOO! I'm not in love with Everybody Finds Out. (It sounds like she wants to be Cher, an older diva with a dance track.) I don't hate it, I even like it, but I love RTTG much more - lyrics, instruments, production. Sorry I disagree. I'm still not in love with RTTG but I think on EFO, although it may border on something Madonna or Cher would do, she makes the song her own! Fall from Grace is one of my least favorites on TISL, but I like TFFT. Man, our opinions are getting more disagreeing...totally on that point! I don't mind the dancers in the Stand Back video. Sign of the times, & they're no on too too much. I didn't like the video period. Most of Stevie's videos are cheesy and this one's no exception. Hell, most videos done in the 80s were pretty lame. With some exceptions, I prefer Chris's earlier work to her later work. Worse, I think she did some great songs post-Lindsey. I think Chris has written exceptional songs during her entire tenure in the Mac...she's a constant if there ever was one. I find a couple of Lindsey's songs monotonous on Tusk. Uh Huh! I think Stevie looked better in the Seven Wonders video than in any other. She looked great in Seven Wonders but better in Hold Me and Gypsy!! :nod: Empire State doesn't bother me. Family Man does. They both bother me, but Empire State bothers me more. Ok here's a few of my unpopular opinions: I want Stevie doing "Rhiannon" on stage with FM or solo any way she wants to do it ...slow or fast...it'll always be one of my favorites...beautiful song. And her signature song imo. I like "Silver Girl" quite a bit. I've got a few others but I won't open that can of worms, at least not in the Rumours forum. ;) Joe |
Ok, I'll have a go...(putting on the HazMat gear), and away we go...
I think: Rumours being such a big blockbuster album (saleswise) is the worst thing to ever happen to Fleetwood Mac. Lindsey & Stevie both should've just quit Fleetwood Mac outright immediately after the Tusk tour. Let the band carry on with other members...THEN when the dust had settled between them, no matter HOW long it took, if it felt right, then just make it a Buckingham Nicks reunion. Say You Will's sequencing sucks to the point it is unlistenable without reprogramming the running order. (individually, the songs are some of the best they've done, but trying to listen to them in that order is PAINFUL) Mirage, as an album, seems to sound worse (as in, "boring") upon each successive listen, no matter HOW much I like the individual songs themselves. Too bad we can't go back in time and put the SYW versions of "Everybody Finds Out" & "Smile At You" on Tango in place of "Welcome To The Room...Sara" & "When I See You Again". |
Stevie looks her best in the Seven Wonders video imo as well.
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I seem to be the only person who prefers Mirage to Tango.
Well, I have to agree with you on some of these. I really don't care for Tango that much. Mirage I kind of found a new appreciation for a few years back. I found out that Princess Diana was in that car accident just as "Oh Diane" was playing. I always found that very strange. I'm not in love with Everybody Finds Out. (It sounds like she wants to be Cher, an older diva with a dance track.) I don't hate it, I even like it, but I love RTTG much more - lyrics, instruments, production. Well, I have to say that I am not in love with either one of these songs. I think Stevie looked better in the Seven Wonders video than in any other. Well, I think that Stevie looked the best in the Mirage 1982 era. Except for her hair. Empire State doesn't bother me. Family Man does. I have to agree with that one. |
Oooh...interesting...LOL
I am NOT a Stevie/Lindsey romantic and I hope they NEVER have an affair, do the deed or get back together in any way, shape or form. I want Lindsey to stay married to the LOVE OF HIS LIFE, Kristen until death do them part!
I LIKE Lindsey's androgynous look ala Tusk. Sue me. :laugh: I wrote another one, but the server went down and I lost my post. Oh well.... |
Here is my take. I grew up with this music as I was born in Nov. 1966. Consequently, although I had these records when they originally were released, I did not truly get the adult orientation of the songs until Mirage and then only after a good heart trampling by the most popular and beautiful girl school and our five minute conversation when she asked for help with math and I fell head over heels (OH YOUTH!!!). So, although I like all of the FM records except Time, all of the songs on Mirage will always have more meaning. Similar things happened from then until now. But, all of the songs on Mirage will always be "it" for me in the long run. Also, I still wax romantic everytime Stevie has a hippie ritual onstage (sadly not with Sara anymoe) or rocks the house with a dance song - which is why se better do that with RTTG!!!!! I must say, that although she looked great for TITN, for me she was her best for Tusk and, esp. Mirage (that hair with that white outfit!!!!).
Other details - yes, LB can get on my nerves, esp. his voic (no slams - I love him to death but sometimes not so much). Red Rover would be a good example of this clearly brilliant, but sometimes aggravating nature of LB and I like the song! Christine was just about perfection in just about all ways. May she live comfortably knowing that once I discovered the song "Why" is best experienced alone and with a large cocktail, my life is much improved!!! But, hey - to each their own. |
I love this topic!
Hmmm...
Silver Girl is definitely growing on me BIG TIME (shut your traps and listen to it - and it will on YOU, too!) ... I like Sheryl Crow, her music... and think that she has been a good influence on Stevie ... I like the Dixie Chicks, their music... and think that the Landslide video was a nice homage to Stevie (and that their "influence" on Stevie has fit very nicely, in her bank account) ... I LOVE Stevie's Tango songs - and think that 'The Second Time' on BTM is lovely ... I've never heard any of Lindsey's solo albums --(flinch!)-- besides the GOS tracks, obviously (hence my switcheroo screen name "Riff Shuffler") - I love those, *so very much*, and will be purchasing Out of the Cradle very shortly (yay!) ... I adore My Little Demon and Sweet Girl from The Dance as much as the classics on that album ... I enjoy Mick(!) - it's hard to hold anything against him, when I see him making those insane faces and enjoying himself the way he does on stage. I'm sorry for that one guys, but it's true ... I'll add more as I think of them! - Josh :laugh: :nod: |
Here goes:
I HATE Red Rover with a passion. Everything about that song drives me insane. After the first few seconds, I'm ready to pull out my hair. OSOTM is my fave Stevie album. I know, most people hate it, but I adore it! Mick isn't as good a drummer as he's cracked up to be. Anyone ever heard of Clem Burke? A god among drummers. Stevie should not have had anything to do with TITN; she dragged it down incredibly. Like Chili said, Say You Will's sequencing blows. Peacekeeper, then...Come?!?! Ick. Besides for a few songs, I despise Mirage. It's FM at their worst (BN line-up). I hate the way that Stevie cuts demos then uses them twenty years later. I'd prefer new songs that reflect her current state of mind. But I do LOVE the final products! Stevie looked the best she ever looked in the video for Gypsy. Absolutely stunning!! I can barely recognize LB in the video for Hold Me. He looks like...someone else. Christine had some horrid fashion sense back in the day. |
Here are 2 of mine...
I don't care if they ever play Sara live again. :eek:
It's an okay song, but it doesn't light my fire at all. I think because it hasn't been played in so long that it has become this mythic creature that everyone is clamoring to see on the stage. Oh, and - I do want them to keep playing Dreams forever. I know it is tired and it isn't great live. But to me, that song defines the band and represents everything that I love about their music. (Fortunately, it looks like I never have to worry about this one getting dropped.) :laugh: |
I like "Only over you" and "Mystified"
"That's Alright" is THE WORST Stevie song i've heard The second half of SYW is really...really boring. I really hate that single version of "Over My Head" "My Little Demon" sucks. I hate the way Lindsey sings the first "to", in "what's the world coming to" |
I prefer Mirage to Tango.
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I most DEFINITELY prefer Mirage; it's probably my favorite Mac album (one of them, at least.)
I don't care for Tango much at all, probably because it contains two of the most dreadful Stevie songs in existence. And my confession (see if you can top this!): I can't stand HAEWAFY. It's okay live, but I pretty much HATE the album version. |
Oh, and the Cher comparison (Everybody Finds Out) cracked me up. I hadn't thought of it that way. :laugh: I still love the song, though. ;)
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I also tend to have the opinion that LB, while an incredibly talented guitar player, songwriter, producer and arranger, can be a big a$$hole at times. For example, it has always bothered me that he did not work to help support himself and Stevie during the early BN days. Stevie worked herself to death at rather menial jobs, and he did nothing but sit home, smoke dope and play guitar. I realize Stevie made the choice to work and wanted Lindsey to stay home because she thought he was "so brilliant", but it still just rubs me the wrong way that he didn't contribute financially. That just tells me alot about that relationship and why Stevie eventually decided to leave . . . . |
Unpopular Mac opinions...
I can sit and listen to the whole Say You Will album straight through. I think the track order is fine, and I don't think it's too long. I like Tusk about 10 times better than Rumours, and I adore all of Lindsey's songs on it, especially "Not That Funny." I'm glad Christine isn't on the new album. Her songs can be way too sugary and sappy. Rock a Little is my favorite Stevie solo album. |
My confessions:
Rumours was the last FM album that I bought. And I hardly ever listen to it. It's OK, but so overdone. And when I listen to it I only want to listen to Second Hand News and I Don't Want To Know, since the rest of them are practiacally everywhere. Tusk is my favorite FM album. I think it's a high point in all three artist's songwriting. I wasn't sad at all that Christine wasn't on Say You Will. I like her songs but it's hard to find the feeling behind them. I would rather Listen to OSOTM and Street Angel any day over Wild Heart and RAL. I think the only song of any worth on Mirage is Gypsy. I love what Sheryl Crow did with the songs she produced for TISL. I love the way their voices blend on Candlebright and Sorcerer. And I was thrilled when I heard the Rumours that she was going to join FM. I can't stand seeing Lindsey's wedding ring while he's playing guitar. It's so in-your-face and distracting. I love Behind the Mask! (But not as much as albums with Lindsey) |
Me opinions
I think "Family Man" is one of the worst individual songs that I have ever heard in my entire life.
I like Behind The Mask much better than Tango In The Night and Mirage. I think Christine's songs from the early days are much better than the ones he did with the Rumours lineup, too. I hate "Come" with passion, but I don't think it's a bad song at all (confused??? ;)) I think the Time lineup of Fleetwood Mac had a powerful live performance that was never appreciated by too much people. I don't think the Time album was that bad. I hate almost all of the Lindsey songs on Mirage, except for "Can't Go Back" and "Book Of Love". My least favorite Christine Fleetwood Mac track is "Only Over You". Holy crap. I *love* "Paper Doll" OK... enough is enough... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Great topic. Song of the moment - Running Through The Garden |
Some more....
I HATE the way Stevie's voice sounds towards the beginning of RTTG, sounds like she has cotton mouth, marbles, a cold, SOMETHING!! When she gets further into the song, she sounds okay, but that beginning, YICK!!!
Also, on SYW (the album), there are some wierd Stevie vocal moments where her voice REALLY sounds goat-ish. LOL I HONESTLY do not HATE any FM songs. No, SERIOUSLY. LOL There are a few songs I don't CARE for: Sugar Daddy (I can't even SING this one, don't know the lyrics!! LOL), WISYA (It's SUCH a downer on the mostly upbeat Tango), Not That Funny (My least fave Lindsey song of all time) and Silver Girl (I just cannot get over the lame-o lyrics)...but I do not HATE any of these songs. In other words, they don't make me wanna kill myself or cut off my ears....THAT kind of hate. :laugh: Just least favorites. I really like Mirage too...but I like Tango WAAAAAYYYYY better. OH, and I LOVE Only Over You too!! Dangit, I keep thinking of others..LOL I LOVE that wierd voice Lindsey does on Illume...it's FREAKY and SPOOKY...just like the song!!! |
I don't own TISL. There. I've said it. It's like, her best album but I had everything downloaded on the internet and at the time the album came out, I was spending a large majority of my time on the computer with school work...hey, wait. I still do. Anyway, that's my confession. I need to buy it.
Another confession....I don't miss Christine. I was apprehensive about her not coming back but you want to know what? It's excellent and I couldn't have asked for anything more. Her songs are often fluffy and are hard to find meaning to as I believe someone else said previously. Au revoir, Christine! Bonjour Fleetwood Mac revamped! I too think Mirage is pretty crappy. I prefer Tango over it. Family Man----blah. Oh, and Micks "balls" bother me. Seriously. :laugh: I think that covers it for now. Oh, and for those who haven't gotten into the song Illume, listen to it on a discman....I love how the beginning of the song starts out in your left ear then moves to the right...It kicks...:nod: |
I love Red Rover
I hate OOTC. I like Lindsey at his weirdest. _ But, I love songs like SYHA and BTLH so I think there's something about OOTC that turns me off, I can't put my finger on it. I hate Stevie's demos. For the life of me I don't understand how fans who appreciate music can listen to them more than one time as a mere curiousity. I love Lindsey's Tusk hair and makeup. The weirder he is the more I like it. Sue me too:) Before SYW I thought Tusk was the high point of Stevie & Lindsey's work within FM. I think SYW may hold its own against Tusk.. ask me in a year. With rare exception, I think Stevie's best work is within FM and Lindsey is her best producer. I don't care if I ever hear Sara again, I was never a big fan of the song. I've never been a fan of Angel, never got all the fuss. I like Rhiannon live. I listened to a bootleg of a Dance show this weekend and Stevie let loose a little. I think she does that more within FM than on her recent solo tours. I seriously think I might wretch if I have to sit through Mick's drum solo and watch him spit. Can I sue him if his spit lands on me? I can't stand to look at him play the drums and I gag when the camera zooms in on his BS phoney faces . Oh wait! This is supposed to be unpopular opinions...sorry. Well, then add me to the list of people who don't want to have to be subjected to "cruel and unusual punishment" in order to be able to hear Stevie & Lindsey sing live. I think it's so cruel and horrible it could be included as a test on Fear Factor. Someone needs to tell Stevie that Mick and John aren't going to fire her and Lindsey unless Mick hits the Powerball, Hell Freezes Over AND he gets struck by lightening all in the same day! What the "H-E-L-L" was she thinking when she said that! I'll have to add that quote to my favorite quotes from the SYW interviews, it's a classic. Ditto the pleasure of being able to have an unpopular or different opinion about "anything" without some pack of rabid wild dogs attacking you within seconds. Long Live The Ledge! :) |
I've got a doozy that I forgot about:
I've never even heard any songs from Time, Law & Order, Christine's solo album, or ANY of the records from before S&L joined. I'm not proud of that, it's just that I've never gotten around to it somehow. I consider it something to look forward to. Someday I will get around to it. Anybody else in a similar situation? |
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You guys have inspired me to add more.
I think Stevie sounds great on most of the RAL album, and I'd love to hear Imperial Hotel in concert. I think RAL has the coolest album cover. I love The Wild Heart a little more than I love Bella Donna. I think Lindsey's best FM songs are about Stevie. I love when Stevie shrieks in live Rhiannon, but I HATE it in the Mirage concert video at the start of GYOW when Lindsey gets on the balls of his feet, practically eats the mike, and shrieks "C'Mon! C'Mon!" I think everybody looks TERRIBLE in the video for Big Love. (Who did the lighting? Was Curry out for revenge on Chris or something?) I think I'm so Afraid is boring, but I like Blue Letter. I like the song Destiny, especially the ending harmonies. I like the demo of Greta, but don't care for the album version. I don't believe that Lindsey never hit Stevie outside her house in 1987. I love Seven Wonders. A lot. I like Heart of Stone, but not Love Shines. I like Stevie with Don on vocals and Waddy on guitar. I like Sharon, but I like Lori more. I absolutely LOVE Mick's solo and would pay top dollar to see/hear him with the vest just once more.. Okay, I'm TOTALLY kidding about that last one about Mick. Had you going with the vomit vest, didn't I? If it were true, that opinion WOULD be hard to top in terms of unpopularity. :D :p :) - Jake |
Interesting topic!
after reading this thread, i realized how many of these i actually have! here's a few:
i'm not that big a fan of Edge of 17. :eek: i know that it's one of THE Stevie songs, but i just don't like it all that much. I too prefer Mirage over Tango. I actually really like Mirage. and Family Man is one of the worst songs ever. So is When I See You Again. When i first got Tusk, i didn't like it. the only songs i ever listened to were Beautiful Child, Over and Over, and Storms. I don't like Stevie's voice how it is now nearly as much as i like it during the 70's. The way Stevie treats her dogs really annoys me. (i heard she asked for a private jet for them once) :rolleyes: I don't like Stand Back that much either, and i'm upset to see that it was on the set list I actually get bored during Go Insane/Big Love on the Dance video. the only Fleetwood Mac video I've ever seen is Gypsy. ok, that's enough,lol. |
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I forget, but did Stevie ever respond to what Mick said about Lindsey supposedly hitting her in 87'? I know Lindsey denies it. I have a feeling, If Lindsey ever did (i would hope he didn't but I could see him doing that), Stevie would deny it...she cares about him too much... |
According to Lindsey, Stevie told him after the book publication that she couldn't believe Mick wrote that. But that's not the same as her saying he wrote something that's untrue.
I find it very odd that Stevie has never spoken of it or been asked about it that we know of. For those who think she's too private to discuss it, she hasn't been too private to discuss two drug addictions, posing nude with Lindsey, weight gain, breast implants, menopause, and even that rumor about the roadie blowing coke up her ____ (when asked in an interview). But we digress... - Jake |
- I think Eyes of the World is the worst Lindsey song side to side with Holiday Road & Dancing across the USA. And live it sucks.
- I think Tango in the Night is as great as Rumours. - I love everything about Family Man - love the lyrics. - I think the Mirage (video) concert is one of the worst I've seen. In fact when I saw it for the first time I was pretty embarrassed. - I don't like any The Dance Christine song. The ooh-la-la-la s in Say you love me are awful. - Two of my favourite Fleetwood Mac songs are Ricky and You and I part 1. And Red Rover by the way. - I felt happier when I knew Christine wouldn't be on SYW. - I like Lindsey version of Here comes the sun. (just kidding on the last too) :laugh: |
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I used to hate nearly every song by Christine and Stevie.(this was when I had just become a fan) The only FM music videos I've seen are Little Lies and Everywhere. I don't own any FM albums from 171-1974 Up until January this year, I could not live without listening to at least one FM each day. |
I seem to be the only person who prefers Mirage to Tango.
**** I prefer Tango I don't like Red Rover. **** I love the song! When I See You Again grew on me. **** I really love that song honestly. I'm not in love with Everybody Finds Out. (It sounds like she wants to be Cher, an older diva with a dance track.) I don't hate it, I even like it, but I love RTTG much more - lyrics, instruments, production. **** I love RTTG much more than Everybody Finds Out but I still like that song alot. Fall from Grace is one of my least favorites on TISL, but I like TFFT. **** OH! FFG is the best song on TISL!! TFFT is the worst! I don't mind the dancers in the Stand Back video. Sign of the times, & they're no on too too much. **** It fits the song and the video With some exceptions, I prefer Chris's earlier work to her later work. Worse, I think she did some great songs post-Lindsey. **** BTM was Christine's time to shine I believe!!! I love Christine's pre S/L ( esp WHY) but post is good too. I find a couple of Lindsey's songs monotonous on Tusk. **** Yes, I agree. I think Stevie looked better in the Seven Wonders video than in any other. **** OH YES! Sexy! I think she looks great in the white dress scenes, but I also love the red dress lounging on the loveseat in Hold Me and the leaning against the lampost in Gypsy. Empire State doesn't bother me. Family Man does. **** I hate both sorry. Just my (unpopular) opinions. (Flame away. ) Burn! Just kidding! What's your most unpopular FM opinion? Im tired of The White Album and Rumours and I can't listen to them anymore. Isn't that awful. |
Confessions....
I think Jimmy Iovine was actually Stevie's best producer, and brought out her most engaging qualities better than anyone else. I enjoy the "two worst Stevie songs ever"... "Welcome To The Room... Sara," and "When I See You Again." In fact, I love "When I See You Again" FAR MORE than even "Landslide." "No Questions Asked," "Affairs Of The Heart," "Freedom," and "Paper Doll" are some great, rocking songs, and are undeservedly maligned by fans who don't want to believe that Stevie did anything good in Fleetwood Mac post-Lindsey. "As Long As You Follow," "Save Me," "Heart Of Stone," "I Do," and "Nights In Estoril" are among Christine's best compositions, and are just as wonderful as anything from the 'Rumours' era. 'Tango In The Night' is my favorite Mac album (though 'Say You Will' may eventually edge it out). "Family Man" is a fun tune, and I like the sentiment behind the lyrics. I'm glad it's on 'The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac.' I think that some of Lindsey's 'Tusk' tunes are rather dull, once the novelty of their unconventional production wears off, but "I Know I'm Not Wrong" is one of my all-time favorite L.B. songs. IMO, Billy Burnette and Rick Vito were great assets to Fleetwood Mac, and I wish that lineup had lasted longer... but I sorely missed Lindsey's production flourishes. 'Behind The Mask' and 'Time' are great albums, and are not embarassments to the Fleetwood Mac legacy by any means. I loved Lindsey's impassioned take on "Here Comes The Sun." I loved the ultra-raspy nature that Stevie's voice had, circa 1983-1987, and I think her current lower-register growl is far more fascinating than the "pretty" range she had from 1976-1979. Hmm... I'm sure there are more, but that's all for now. :) Fun thread, by the way! |
Ooh, and I forgot a doozy...
Jeremy Spencer is my all-time least favorite Fleetwood Mac member. *ducks from the amp chiliD just threw at me!* :laugh: |
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I've loved reading everyone else's and iv now got a few of my own, some of which have already been said:
- I prefer Mirage to Tango. WISYA and WTTRS are, in a word, crap. -The only stevie solo albums iv got areTISL and Timespace, both of which i think r ok but nothing w/out lyndsey. -Iv never heard any of Lyndseys solo stuff other than what was meant for GOS -I cant syand goodbye baby -I woild much prefer going to see FM in concert when they were high on drugs than the way they are now. -I missed Chris on SYW at first but her absence doesnt bother me one bit. -havent heard Time :wavey: |
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And of course on the Christine front, give me her an album she recorded on a Casio while hanging from the rafters - I'd buy it and no doubt love it! |
Let's see-I really don't like GYOW-now that's real heresy=:-)
Since I owned Tusk as my first Fleetwood Mac album, when I got Rumours it sounded kind of bland to me. I don't see a lot of difference between the White album and Rumours. My second favorite album is Tango. I kind of put Mirage in there with Rumours and the White album-they all sound kind of bland compared with Tusk. Say You Will-the verdict is kind of still out with me-I agree with Chili though that the sequencing of the songs is really not good. Let's put this in perspective though-I'd still rather listen to FM for hours than any other band for hours=:-) |
Sheryl Crow should have joined Fleetwood Mac for Say You Will and taken half of Stevie's song allotment.
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ok... raise shields.
1- Tango is FM's best album 2-When I See You Again & Welcome To The Room...Sara are stevie's biggest contribution to the band/ 3-i support warners' attempts to kill lindsey's solo career, his solo albums are just horrendous. 4-a rock star needs to look like one. stevie must not be seen in public wearing glasses, and a face lift could also be taken into consideration at her age, john on the other hand must never be allowed to face a camera again. :sorry: |
Woot!
~*I like Family Man. A lot.
~*I have never listened entirely to Tango. At least, not that I can remember. ~*I don't miss Chris. I thought I would, but I truly don't. ~*My favourite Lindsey look is the afro and beard. ~*Blue Letter is in my top 3 songs from the White album. ~*I um, don't really like SOTM. There, I finally said it! |
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