Why is everyone so negative?
 

I have been reading all of your posts in regard to the tour, the live performances, the track listing on the album and yes even stevie's damn dress. what the hell do you people want? so the album is not double... its 18 damn songs, divide it by two and throw it on two discs. most cds come out with 10-12 songs.. 18 is a bonus in my opionion. others say its to long... so? dont listen to it all at one time. and some of you bitch about the songs... would you rather have another behind the mask?? or maybe some street angel? say you will is getting decidedly good reviews... and it debuted well. yes the fan club is a crock of **** and the ticket prices are pretty steep... and yes... stevie's dress is pretty... well its pretty something but the woman is STILL singing and she still seems like she enjoys singing. i think even if she were ****ting gold eggs some of you wouldnt be satisfied. peacekeeper is a good song... and its getting more airplay than most of their contemporaries combined. when was the last time you heard james taylor or carly simon's current material in medium rotation? all im saying is that instead of bitching and moaning we should all be looking at the positive... fleetwood mac are still around and they're stilling doing what they do best. dont put all your negative energy into writing them off as old and washed up... instead go outside and mow your lawn or read a damn book for god's sake. comprende?

and im sorry about my spelling.. you'd think an english major would have better sense... :-)

My point exactly in other threads. The performances recently have not been the best or most passionate I have seen, but they have not been as bad as people make it out to be on this board.

The board has become so negative. So unenjoyable. If people are this unhappy with the product then switch to a new one.

Fleetwood Mac will continue without you. A matter a fact I am pretty sure they will not even know you are gone.

I like this band and I love the new album. In my opinion the live performances with the exception of Go your own way have been servicable. Not the embarassing mess that people have made them out to be.

Re: Why is everyone so negative?
 

But that's just the point. She actually doesn't seem to be enjoying herself.

Maybe the band has cultivated an unreachable expectation level in quite a number of their fans. Boards like this & the others are good places to vent frustrations. If we can't vent here, who ELSE is going to even come close to understanding the depth of our personal involvement with the band?? Its like "if I can't fart in a bathroom, where CAN I acceptably fart?"

When relating to someone in the "real world", I don't think those who are, as you say, "negative", would be perceived as that way toward the band...they'd be considered MORE than fanatic about Fleetwood Mac. It seems to be a case of "I can badmouth the band within the "clique", but don't anyone outSIDE of the clique say anything bad about them".

Dear sweet Lord, forgive me, because I know I'm being negaitive and I hate it, I really do.

I don't want to feel like this, and yes I have to echo David because Stevie seems miserable. Maybe I am just missing something completely, but she's not quite all there.

The CD is wonderful! There is so much emotion there, and I am really trying to assure myself it will come out eventually.
I am still feeling like it will all come together on the tour, and all this worrying and fretting will be a distant memory.

If it doesn't, then I think the Mac has become a victim of it's own "healing".

I want somebody to scream at somebody else and get all passionate and send somebody else storming away in a huff.
Maybe they are just "making nice" too much and it is jarring all our senses.

-Sharon

And yes, Chili, I liken this to airing my dirty laundry at home. I'd never say these things to casual fans.

I have been smiling and talking them up to everyone, not letting them know I'm kinda worried about how it's all going to come out in the wash!

-Sharon

Hi goyourownway, welcome to the Ledge. Yes, we do fight and we do criticize and maybe we can get a little mean. But we are rarely boring....

Thre is a great core of long-time fans (very smart and articulate) on this board who have supported FM and Stevie thru the rough times...the drugs, the fights, the solo failures.....kept this board very active during the lean times...waiting for Lindsey solo stuff, waiting for FM stuff, waiting for Stevie to change her dress...and despite all the bitching and moaning have purchased the cd (more than one copy I suspect) and purchased concert tix (more than one venue I suspect).

great deep discussions on this board, some silly, satirical and funny threads and best of all, some great insider information threads.

Three copies of the CD here! 2 regular, 1 Ltd Ed.!

You are the hardest on the ones you love the most!

We just get frustrated 'cause we don't get listened to very much. We have to vent to each other!
-Sharon

The Mac is back
 

I concur completely with your post goyourownway... this place has become a real downer of late.

There's alot to be grateful for, namely the music of SYW. That's all I really wanted anyway, everything else just is or isn't icing on the cake for me.


SYW is one of the band's best albums and most notably the strongest songs from Stevie since Tusk. Whoever said this girl can't write or sing anymore needs to listen to this record a little closer imo.

I'm extremely happy about the music and the least of my worries are Stevie's (split ends?) :rolleyes:


Anyway she's a beautiful woman any way you want to slice it!



Joe

That's actually very astute, Steve, & I will agree with it entirely. You will inevitably experience the most complaining on these fan boards---the general public generally just doesn't care enough to vehemently complain in any sustained way.

Re: Why is everyone so negative?
 

Instead of bitching and moaning about other peoples opinions, maybe you should go outside and mow your lawn or read a damn book for god's sake. Comprende?

Hey I enjoy reading everyones opinions. They have seemed off lately, but I highly doubt that means we fans are throwing them out the window. We obviously LOVE them wholeheartedly. Im hoping they're still in warm up phase. Whatever phase, and even if Stevie's fazed, lol, I still love them! They are FLEETWOOD MAC after all!

Bella Figura ~ I couldnt agree more! :)

Not EVERYONE is negative. We're concerned, yes, but as I've said, I have a feeling that once they get out on tour, they're going to rock it like they never have before. :nod:

I'm worried, too, after the performances we've gotten lately. And even though I've complained lately, too, it *is* hard to come here and read all the negative remarks. Just because we're all talking about it, because we CAN'T go anywhere else. No one else understands. Tried talking to my husband about it and he's like, "Hmmm." Yeah, okay. Nevermind, I'll just go to the Ledge and talk about it there. At least I'll get some feedback. Even if I do eventually feel guilty because with (almost) EVERYone here feeling pretty much the same way, there is aLOT of negativity. But, I'm just WORRIED. Hell, I've said before that I would pay money to see Stevie Nicks onstage in a rocking chair, and I MEANT that...I'm just not READY for that yet.

Say You Will, the album, ROCKS. I just wanna see that transfer onto the stage.

And I bought three copies, too. Two regular and one LE. And as soon as I can find it, I'm gonna buy the DVD-A. :D


~Angela~:wavey:

As a funny joke, its funny someone called "goyourownway" would remark on negativity, LOL... that song (GYOW) is pretty rough on Stevie, LOL!

clever... sadly it was the first thing i came up with and i just went with it (my name that is) its in NO WAY a diss to miss nicks.

but seriously, thank you all for replying to my post... i guess my comments may have been far to generalized... for all the negative there are always double the positive and that is such a good thing. i have been a fm fan since i was in my mothers womb rocking out to sisters of the moon. anytime something new comes out i get excited no matter how mundane its been.

after reading your replys i began to ponder... back in 1997 when the dance came out, in retrospect, it seems that the mac had little to prove beyond simply getting out on the road and showing they still had the chops. the material was roadtested to the hilt obviously... and the few new cuts were great... but they never really got played during promo outings aside from landslide which which had been around since 75. i saw them in philly and dc even though the new **** was good, the focus was clearly on the classics or at least thats how i saw it. now with say you will the mac has alot to prove i think... theyre competeing in a market that is obsessed with boobs and bling... in keeping their orginal, and clearly devoted fanbase it would stand to reason that they would want to draw in new fans... and maybe the syw stuff they are playing now doesnt have the historical drama behind it that rhiannon has or go your own way (today show performance excluded) but im sure it will stand on its own.

sorry i ramble.

i just want to say that "everybody finds out" is so great to play in the car with the windows down.

im glad to see that there are ardent fans out there that care... that what its all about. i am proud to call myself a fleetwood mac fan.

Boobs and Bling. TOO FUNNY! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

STEVIE: "The bad news is that I miss her, terribly. There's not a day that I don't think, 'Where is she?' It's more about the friendship and her humor, and her funny, funny, stupid English jokes and how she could make everything lighten up with a flick of her personality. She was a joy to be around. And she was my best friend. So as much as I think that everyone else would like to hear me say, 'Oh, it's much better (now),' no, I can't say that. Because I miss her so much."

San Diego Union Tribune, April 6, 2003


I think she misses Christine and the band is struggling to find its way. However, Im hopeful they will find their feet... and Im sure they will cause they are THE MAC!

goyourownway, you make some very points about the Dance tour and the older material. The one thing I would like to add though, is that the crowning jewel of those shows was the beautiful Sliver Springs, delivered with such gusto and exquisite agony. That song had so much punch because of the emotion behind it, and there is a many a Ledgie who will tell you THAT was the song that drew them in.....that was the performance that was so gut-wrenching it left them weak and wanting more. That song wasn't road-tested. They never really did it but a time or two in the past, and look what they pulled off. It was incredible.

They have the power to do that again!

Now I know that songs with the history and back story like SS only do come along once in a lifetime, for sure.
I guess my question is, what song is going to be the crowning jewel this time? Oh, there are lots of potential candidates.....EFO, RTTG, SAY.......????

It can't be SS again. That song had it's day in the sun, now we need another high point for the show that is more reflective of their current situation. If Stevie will wake up and just get a little more animated, and if they will move their mikes closer together, Destiny Rules has the potential to be the one.

Can't you just see Stevie up there wailin' about "not being together" and them having to "follow the rules" when they have never had to before?

I know it tears my heart out.

And that's what I want them to do!

-Sharon

i totally agree.

As a big Mac fan, I understand where you're coming from GYOW. I have only loved the Mac since the Dance, therefore, I am judging them from the Dance on. The Dance was outstanding, & well, their performances of late aren't quite up to par with The Dance, but there could be a number of things wrong, Stevie's menopause, possible hip problem, Lindsey losing his voice, I don't know. We criticize b/c we love them. We want them to be better. We know they can do better b/c we've seen them in action (on film for me anyway). I never seen them in concert; Philly will be my first show, & despite their recent so-so performances, I'm still looking forward to May 19th. I love the limited edition of Say You Will; I can't stop playing it. I've seen little glimpses of the Mac I know here & there. I know they will be great on tour. :nod:

Lee :)

To be honest..i didn't realize how negative my feelings were about stuff,and to be honest,i think i was being dumb. I will be the first one to bitch about Stevie's Dress,cause it is annoying...but the more i am thinking about it,i don't care what she wears,if they sounded like **** on Leno..I love this band(I miss Chris like hell tho) and i do not regret spending $$ on tickets.I have never seen them live before,and i am psyched,no matter how it turns out.

I honestly don't know what everyone's problem is. The only reason I come here anymore is in hopes that there will be a decent thread that I can respond to, or some new info I don't know about. Yet, I'm disappointed almost every time. How many times MUST it be reiterated that people don't want to hear Rhiannon, they don't want to hear GYOW, they don't want Stevie to wear her traditional dress, Stevie's gross and wears the same thing too much, they all look old, and their performances on the new songs are lacking. I didn't get to see FM perform on Leno the first night, but Say You Will the second night I thought was good for as much as you can do with Say You Will. It's a light pop song, there's not much variety to throw at it. Which brings me to another point...what variation have any Christine songs really had? Her songs are just like Say You Will...just easy going and enjoyable, yet because it's Stevie that's just not enough. She has to tear out a lung before anyone's happy. I thought Stevie looked nice last night...she didn't have sleepy eyes and seemed pretty energetic to me. Anyway, I don't know how much I'll be reading the Ledge for a while, or at least posting on it, and I probably won't see any replies to this. Honestly, I was talking to someone from the Ledge about a week ago and couldn't figure out why the new album was giving me so much anxiety. I think I've figured out the reason.

MAY 19TH!!!! I CANNOT WAIT!!!! This is also my first FM experience....it's going to be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

I for one am glad that we can look at the band with a critical eye. Shows we as fans are actually halfway intelligent :eek: . We as diehards CAN disect critically their work... because we know EXACTLY what they're capable of... and when they're not up to snuff. Why SHOULDN'T we have expectations... or not be disappointed when they don't live up to them? I really don't like what you're trying to argue... that we should just take what we're given, and be grateful for it. If it's my opinion that Peacekeeper blows live, then that's my opinion... I'm not trying to force it on you, so stop trying to force your opinion on us!

Here is "my deal," I think they just are resting on their well deserved fame. I have done a lot of performing in many many different aspects in my life and completely understand the meaning of "you have to sell it for it to sell." For example, take the SYW perfomance on Leno. It was good but not what we have seen them do and define as great. Imagine if SN had performed EFO, and had gotten the troops to dance with her or started from the top on bleachers and worked her way done at the begining of the song a la Cher. It would have rocked the house as opposed to the good, but rather mundane, performance in front of many obviously horny and anxious GI's. They need to sell it for it to sell.

Here's...
 

Another positive slant on things:

This is very much a transitional stage for them, and a further album and tour will at least have them with the folds ironed out, and in the best scenario have them feel confident that they can break free from the old Mac mold, which they no longer fit .... by 33% more each to be precise :rolleyes:.