Fan Club Member Banned
 

Well, I got banned from the Mick Fleecewood Message Board. All I did was express my upsetment about the deletion of threads and posts that criticize the fan club. And I was very respectful in doing so. I'm so upset. If anyone cares, please start a thread over there to ask why I was banned. Changes need to be made there and if bannings are done without recognition let alone explanation, changes will never occur because the right people will never see the problem.

Thanks for reading this,

John

Well I was banned too. And they must have banned my ISP as I can't even get to the board from my computer but I can from my friends. An explanation would be nice

Pip

Who cares about that STUPID board anyway. It is so weird over there! After everything that has happened aren't you glad you were banned?

Nae

Good grief
 

I cant believe you guys were banned. What a joke!

And you're probably right Nae - it's not that big a loss.

So what's their masterplan - to surround themseves with just the brainwashed cronies with their dreams about Mick Fleetwood and the Knight in shining armour with his tidbits of delayed information and monthly fan scams.
Bleuh!!:distress:

Did they send you an email to explain why you were banned? I was banned a few times before but it was an error. I know that it happened to a few people in error. Can you get in to PM the admin? If not maybe I can PM them for you to make sure it is just an error.
If it is not an error I don't know why they would ban all of you just to voice your opinion. Doesn't sound like a BB that you would want to belong to anyway. Hardly a fan friendly place.

The number of posts that are being deleted and the frequent banning that is going on over there is really amazing. Keeping in mind that The Penguin and The Ledge are in no way responsible for or affiliated with the FM Fan Club (as you all know), I suggest that it might be helpful if we organized a FAQ here (where it won't be deleted) listing the main points about what was promised from the fan club, what was actually delivered, and what could be done about it. This is a very emotional issue for many as the seats that were advertised were not delivered and due to the costs and distance involved, most fans cannot go to multiple shows. I saw many posts (before they were deleted) in which people stated that they were going to dispute the charges of the fanclub with their credit card companies-- the preparation of an organized FAQ might help these individuals by clarifying the issues.

- Marty

That is aweful. I am really sorry to the fans who have been banned from there over the first amendment rights. What Mick has let happen to that board/website is tasteless, and I for one have a new found lack of respect for him. Completely tasteless...:distress: Thank you, Marty, for letting us be opinionated here. It makes for healthy fan discussions...

Maria

I'm a member but I've never visited the BB. I joined for the tickets & am disappointed, of course. Has the Fan Club posted a policy statement that it reserves the right to ban what TPTB view as flamers? (Not that it sounds like you really flamed, anyway.) If not, couldn't banned posters make the case that since they paid money for a year's worth of the beneits of membership, and they were not made aware of banning as a consequence at the time of signing up, they should not be banned? Just a thought (perhap a naive one). - Jake:(

This whole banning thing is CRAP!!

I just registered over there on Thursday when the presale debacle started - and it is really nuts. I mean NUTS. I have noticed so many posts deleted. Even my posts regarding my invalid password have been deleted. They are even deleting their own fan club emails that are posted on there by members - what is up with that?!?

They just keep digging themselves a bigger hole - somebody step up to the damn plate already and offer something to those who were screwed!!

Thank God our society doesn't function like this for the most part - its sad that some do . . . :distress: :distress: :distress: :distress:

That is a good thought for those who joined... but I didn't join the fanclub

Pip

Mick's Board and the Knight
 

Hi everyone, first post :)

I too was banned from Mick's board (my username over there was poopsiy) after I expressed quite a lot of disgust and pointed out what I saw to be merciless ass-kissing. It is truly apalling over there! If they don't like one of your posts, they take away your star count (or what Sara, http://www.sararhiannon.com , refers to as being "de-starred"...hehe!), or they will ban you. There are a couple of real schmucks over there...they haven't found the right doctors yet who'll permanently sew their lips to the Knight's ass cheeks. :eek: The news over there is second hand, we get it from various sources like this place MONTHS before it's posted on Mick's board. I feel so bad for those who paid the money for the fan club! It can't be much of a comfort for them to know that the Knight runs the fan club! My advice would be to contest the charge on your credit card, that way, Knight and Mick won't see a dime. ;)

They have also prevented Sara from posting her website address, even though the Knight himself linked to her mp3 of Say You Will WITHOUT asking her permission, causing her bandwith to go through the roof. Yet he lets everyone else post links to THEIR sites. That is messed up folks!

I have lost all respect for Mick. He puts dollar signs on everything and it's really beginning to turn off FM fans. Anyone else notice that the MF fan club turned into the FM fan club? He must've wised up to the fact that he's only a mediocre drummer in a band that is otherwise full of musical geniuses. It's a common fact that he hatched up the meet and greet idea and all these others schemes to extort the die-hard fans who pay for everything he does including his bad real-estate ventures. He should be ashamed of himself.

Another thing that bothers me about that place is how Knight likes to speak for FM even though he only runs Mick's site (half-assed, too!). You'll never see Lindsey or Stevie try to insult their fans by posting these extortion attempts on their sites! But at the same time, they need to know what is going on or it's going to cost them some fans. :(

Anyways, good luck to everyone in getting their fan club money back and I'm sorry for everyone who got banned. take pride in knowing that you got banned because you weren't kissing the Knight's medieval ass. :laugh:

Re: Mick's Board and the Knight
 

Good to see you here! Tell me... was your IP address banned? I can't even access the board from my own computer so I am assuming they banned my IP address

Pip

Thankyou Marty

Pip

Re: Mick's Board and the Knight
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dissention
[B]
Another thing that bothers me about that place is how Knight likes to speak for FM even though he only runs Mick's site (half-assed, too!). You'll never see Lindsey or Stevie try to insult their fans by posting these extortion attempts on their sites! But at the same time, they need to know what is going on or it's going to cost them some fans. :(

Hi, dissention - welcome to the Ledge!

I agree totally - it bugs me that the Knight likes to speak for FM even though he is really only involved with Mick's site. Stevie and Lindsey have too much integrity to be involved in something like this - they would be disgusted. I don't blame them or FM, for that matter, I blame INCOMPETENT MANAGEMENT. FM is way too busy getting ready for the tour and doing PR right now, and I understand that. But some people will be so angry that they will shift the blame to FM and it will cost them some fans.

I just hope that this is not a foreshadowing of the tour that is to come . . .

Re: Re: Mick's Board and the Knight
 

Good to see you here, too, Pip! I was really apalled to read that you of all people were banned. You always got your point across very well (with a great biting sense of humour!) and very politely. Knight must've thought you were brainwashing the other European fans from joining the fan club! LOL I can access the board but when I click on a thread, it says I am banned so I can't view it. :( Try cleaning out your Temporary Internet Files and then going back to the board. Maybe that'll help :) Good luck, Pip! :p

Re: Re: Mick's Board and the Knight
 

Thanks! Imagine what the tour will be like...eek!! A tag-team of the Knight and Chris Nicks running merch stands (ohmygawd) and the Knight's gestapo posters from that board running around slapping people for not paying $80 to join the fan club. Eeeeek!

I think they did ban my IP address, because no amount of cookie deleting is allowing me to do anything on that board. I did fire off an e-mail to the site demanding a refund of my fan club fees and citing my being banned as the latest reason for my demand.

John

I have not been banned as of yet...but if I keep complaining about the Fanclub and how I did not get what I was promised I would get I'm sure that my IP will be banned from there soon.

The reason for all this banning and deleting of posts is naturally to keep potential new fanclub members from seeing the facts and NOT joining. There also seems to have been some form of "cleansing" going on last night as alot of posters who had been gone for a few days came back to tell other people that the time for venting had passed and that they had been heard. Time to move on. All kinds of old posts about "what should Stevie sing" "what should the setlist be" and "thanks to the fanclub for all you did for me" started to surface to the top after having been buried under a weeks (or more) worth of posts.

Although the emails and posts I got from the club DID NOT say "you will get front row seats", they did say that the club had secured the best seats in the best 20% of the house which ran from rows one all the way back to rows 25-30 in most venues. Now the emails are telling me that they are working on something to make it up to me....wonder what that will be?

I saw this morning...
 

several people who were banned (Pip, SaraRhiannon & John), And I cannot believe it!!! I'm very dissappointed with the censorship tactics over there...I guess you cannot give negative feedback over "there".

Brian J.

SaraRhiannon got banned? How did she get back in? Because she was online last night.

John

Outrageous!!!
 

PIP, John and SaraRhiannon BANNED?!?!! OMG, that has got to be the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard!!! I have only posted on that board like 3 times or something, in which I joined it just so I could ask Knight questions if I had any. Looks like if I have any questions to ask, it would be HERE because you peeps give me news I've never even gotten from the frickin fan club!! It's nuts how the consensus from us is THAT BOARD IS WIERD! LOL They carry on conversations and you have to wade through 16 pages to get something semi-important. :rolleyes: I spend WAY too much time on the net as it is, I don't wanna wade through chit chat to get information.

I'm never gonna NOT be a fan even through all this muck, and I hope they can get their crap together regarding the fan club because I think it's a neat idea. I only wish we were given MORE for our 60 bucks. I would LOVE to have a POSTER, tee-shirt and they could maybe make a short video or something welcoming you to the club for you to keep always. That would be nice. Stickers saying Fleetwood Mac, keychains, a special CD with songs only for FM fans....SOMETHING!!

*POOF*

Wow, I just had this dream that FM fans got stuff for being in the fan club....wierd. :laugh:

This is a good idea, and I didn't join the club so I don't know what e mails etc. were around but I worry that those that did join the club may not have saved those e mails with what they said they "would deliver" (since they had naturally believed what "they had said" they would "provide") so those of you that were members should maybe dig through your papers or inboxes and print out what you have and disseminate the most relevant info from those though those ledgies here that may be more lawyer minded and work in legal areas (if any exist here) may have to be the ones to determine "what was and wasn't promised" in order for anything to "happen" from this. JMHO though. :)

John

Here is...
 

a reply that "the Knight" just posted after I was answering a question about eBay and tickets and how I sold my original ticket for the exact price I paid for it:

"The Venue presales for Venue season ticket holders have blocks that they buy. We've traced numerous eBay offers to Season Ticket holders. We see some from the Fan Club too.

Don't believe either can be stopped. We try. Positive ID at a venue before a show has technical issues that also won't work-we've looked into that.

The Knight!"

Hi All,
This is my first ever post on The Ledge. I've lurked here but never psoted and I too am one of the banned. Pip, I can't believe they banned you. I have emailed them three times with no respone. Anyway, thanks for letting me hang out.:wavey:
Chris

Pip, didn't i warn you those boards are Orwellian???
good to see you back home. :D

Welcome...
 

Chris, Have fun posting and enjoy yourself...Brian "Race the BROWN truck Jarrett!!!" J.

Re: Re: Mick's Board and the Knight
 

Pip,
My IP address was banned.

Well, I am a lawyer *duck* and would be happy to help if I can, but I only practice law here in PA. Not that I have litigation in mind, because I don't think that is the answer, but if the fan club exists in CA, then the question might be based on CA law instead of other states. There is room for argument, however, that any state law could apply because of the marketing of the fan club in all states, in addition to other things. Federal law could also come into play potentially, depending on what allegations could be ascertained from all the marketing, etc.

Re: Here is...
 

Then here's a question for the FAQ. Why is a huge artist like Tom Petty able to do Positive ID and not Fleetwood Mac?

I'm still stuck on the...
 

one statement "the Knight" made that I posted earlier:

"We've traced numerous eBay offers to Season Ticket holders. We see some from the FAN CLUB too."

So I'm "almost" sure that statement confirms that some of the "fanclub" members may indeed have been "brokers/scalpers/etc"...

So that seems to indicate that their "presale fanclub member" system was flawed from the very beginning.

Brian J.

Goldie, it's me, darling poopsiy! Glad to see you could make it over here! :) I noiced when I went t the Knight's propaganda board that you had been banned AGAIN! Bastids! Anyways it is much better in this neck 'o the woods :)

Re: Re: Here is...
 

Because Tom Petty looks out for his fans like no one else. He takes pride in being fair, not letting things get to his head, and being an all around wonderful guy. I think his songs on his last album sums up everything. I hve SOOOOOOOOO much respect or te man. I'd lke to see him and Mick duke it out, he'd whoop Mick's ass.

PS: When does The Banned finally get together for a tour, dammit?!?!?!

Re: Re: Re: Mick's Board and the Knight
 

Thanks... I tried that. My IP must be banned!

Pip

I'm so glad to see you here! I guess with the next presale coming up they figured they better clear away all the evidence so they can fleece some more innocent hardworking folks out of their money. I am so sad about the way this whole thing went down. Anyway, the air seems much fresher here so I think I'll hang out! Keep in touch!
Chris

Re: Re: Re: Here is...
 

I suspect "The Banned" must have enough for an orchestra now so we're gonna have to get really creative. Anyone play the harp or the cello?;)

My post was removed within 30 minutes of posting it. He'll keep all of the posts of praise though. Can we say "propaganda"?

I'm a lurker too and have been debating whether or not to join the fan club. Thanks for making up my mind for me and helping me to save some $$$. I noticed today that they are doing a poll on the Nicks Fix about the quality of seats that people received in the pre-sales. Only 13% of those polled say they got great seats through the presales. The pre-sale marketing come-on (and I do think it's a rip-off) seems to be the way that bands are going now--FM, the Eagles, the Dixie Chicks, etc. I blame it all on corporate greed. Did anyone else see the story on the high price of concert tickets on 20/20 Friday night? I loved all the finger pointing that was going on. Basically, classic rock bands like the Stones, Elton John & Billy Joel etc. are charging the highest ticket prices claiming that they are forced to do so because people are ripping them off by downloading music and that they have to resort to charging higher ticket prices at concerts to make up the difference. This seems to make a lot of sense until you realize that it's older music fans who are far more likely to actually pay for their cd's! So we're getting gouged everywhere you turn between the outrageous ticket prices and these fake fan clubs who offer us little in return except aggrevation!

I was at the Nicksfix and could not believe they have the fan club emails from Knight posted there!!

The Texas Deceptive Trade and Practices Act is an example of a state law that would apply in this case. I work for lawyers. In regard to Marty's post about all of us collecting our information, I believe a class action suit might be in order here....of course I'm not mentioning this on Mick's site, I might get banned.

:wavey:

Hey Livia,

I did it for you! I told them all to file a claim with the BBB and how to do it online, plus the criteria. Let me know what to say about this Deceptive Trade Act and I'LL post it gladly! LOL Bastids! :laugh: