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BlueGrass 09-08-2002 09:07 AM

2nd Greatest Acoustic Perfomance To "Big Love"?
 
What do you thinbk it is. I know many agree "Big Love" is amazing...but what do you think is second in line?

"Go Insane" (Live)
"Red Rover"
"Say Goodbye"
"Try For The Sun"
"Here Comes The Sun" LInds version



I'd go with "Try For The Sun"...it is incredibily fast paced...and multi-layered like "Big Love."

nodmod 09-08-2002 11:55 AM

Red Rover for me.

This reminds me I must make up that compliation of acoustic Lindsey greats ;)

BlueGrass 09-08-2002 01:07 PM

I made one...It has:

This Nearly Was Mine
Big Love
Never Going Back Again '93
Stephanie
Blue Turns To Gray
Instrumental 1
Go Insane
Lanslide
Gypsy Live AHI
Instrumental 2
Red Rover
Love Minus Zero
Bleed To Love Her
She Smiled Sweetly
Say Goodbye
Never Going Back Again
Here Comes The Son
Street Of Dreams '93
Try For The Sun

wondergirl9847 09-08-2002 01:09 PM

Too tough!!
 
I love each and every one SO MUCH!! Red Rover made my jaw drop to the floor when I first heard it. :eek: AMAZING!!

Go Insane is so gorgeous, it makes me want to cry. That pling pling pling pling...da da da da da... at the beginning is so beautiful!

Here Comes the Sun was greatness too...what I wouldn't have given to have been in NYC that night..sigh...I just CANNOT get over the hole in the guitar story..KILLER!! :laugh:

Say Goodbye is a haunting song that is so soft and tender, it's a cry-inducer as well.

Try for the Sun is not my favorite GOS song, mainly because I cannot understand the lyrics very well, but the guitar is GREATNESS!!

I guess I would say Red Rover too like Neil...when I first heard it, I was just in shock at it's greatness. SUPERB!!

nodmod 09-08-2002 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BlueGrass
I made one...It has:

This Nearly Was Mine
Big Love
Never Going Back Again '93
Stephanie
Blue Turns To Gray
Instrumental 1
Go Insane
Lanslide
Gypsy Live AHI
Instrumental 2
Red Rover
Love Minus Zero
Bleed To Love Her
She Smiled Sweetly
Say Goodbye
Never Going Back Again
Here Comes The Son
Street Of Dreams '93
Try For The Sun

Yeah, that's it along those lines, couldn't think of anything else to go on it.
Did you use Bleed To Love Her Dance version or GOS version?

seteca 09-08-2002 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BlueGrass
What do you thinbk it is. I know many agree "Big Love" is amazing...but what do you think is second in line?

"Go Insane" (Live)
"Red Rover"
"Say Goodbye"
"Try For The Sun"
"Here Comes The Sun" LInds version



I'd go with "Try For The Sun"...it is incredibily fast paced...and multi-layered like "Big Love."

What do you mean by "multi-layered"...?

It's one guitar, only. The fact that he uses two amps, each one with clever delay settings, coupled with some damn good Travis picking, gives the effect of a "multi-layered" song.
If you mean "multi-layered" in the sense that the song has indepedent bass-rhythm-melody sections....well, that's the essence of Travis picking. All of those songs you've mentioned there are played using the same method.

IMO none of the songs on G.O.S. are totally "acoustic"...sure they're played with an acoustic guitar(s) but all the "acoustic" G.O.S. songs are multi-layered, and many of them have synthesizer, percussion, etc layers....so I personally wouldn't class them as "acoustic" in the way that "Big Love", "Go Insane", "Never Going Back Again", "Here Comes The Sun" are.

In answer to the original question...my fav. LB acoustic song is "Go Insane (Live '97)".

In terms of impressive guitar performace, "Big Love" is easily the most technically challenging/impressive song...it took me the good part of a year to get it perfect (and I don't even sing over it...!...yep...the guy is an absolute genius..!)

A distant second (again, "technically" speaking) would be "Never Going Back Again"....it's a simple sounding song but keeping that alternating bass line going in perfect time is quite tricky.

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

BlueGrass 09-08-2002 04:28 PM

Nodmod: I used the live version cause the guitar picking stands out more. And it is more "acoustic" cause it doesn't have that electric guitar ending like the original does.

I'm currently making a second Cd with another version of "Never Gaoing Back Again," "Landslide," "Go Insane," "Big Love," "Try For The Sun" and "Countdown."

Seteca...

What I mean is..."Big Love" has a lot of things going on at once...it doesn't sound simple to me at all. Same with "Try For The Sun." The guitar playing seems (and sounds) very complex. So that is kinda what I mean by multi-layered.

Skylark 09-08-2002 07:50 PM

Great Acoustic Work!!!
 
Your list is good ...Try For the Son!... is one of his best!!!
{ I put Try for The SON as that is how Lindsey wrote it!}
I know the other two are more intricate and his fingers
fly for multi-layering effects!Multi-Genius at Work I say! Sky:)

chiliD 09-08-2002 11:36 PM

Lindsey's version of "Here Comes The Sun" is an abomination to the memory of George Harrison...no WONDER Peter Jennings & ABC wanted to ****can it from the New Year's Eve show. It was only because of Lindsey's "hissy fit" that they allowed him to play it. I wish they would've told him to stick it, instead. Talk about ruining a great song...

macfan 57 09-09-2002 10:35 AM

My favorite Lindsey acoustic song is Never Going Back Again. I love it on Rumours and live both on the Rumours tour and on his 1993 OOTC tour. My least favorite would be Here Comes the Sun. I agree with ChiliD's last post, but I'm also a big Beatles fan, too.

chiliD 09-09-2002 10:56 AM

Ooops...it was late last night when I posted and I forgot to list my FAVEs of Lind's acoustic stuff:

Stephanie
Red Rover
Try For The Sun

The solo acoustic version of "Soul Drifter" that Lindsey did to end his OotC live tour set is pretty darn good , too.

seteca 09-09-2002 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chiliD
Lindsey's version of "Here Comes The Sun" is an abomination to the memory of George Harrison...no WONDER Peter Jennings & ABC wanted to ****can it from the New Year's Eve show. It was only because of Lindsey's "hissy fit" that they allowed him to play it. I wish they would've told him to stick it, instead. Talk about ruining a great song...
I'm curious about something...for a variety of reasons I guess (primarily being my relatively young age), I've never heard George Harrison's (original) version of HCTS, or indeed any cover of it other than Lindsey's. However, when I heard Lindsey's last NYE...I really liked it, simply because to my ears it was a totally new song...i.e. I had nothing to compare it to.

Do you think that if I have a listen to George Harrison's original version, I'll stop liking Lindsey's...?...or maybe not like his as much as I used to...?

It's a weird situation I guess...to have heard a cover but not the original....haha...I feel like these teenagers who hear "Alient Ant Farm" singing "Smooth Criminal" and they go "Wow!! That's such an amazing song!!!".....:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

jeffles 09-09-2002 01:31 PM

Seteca,
You've never heard the Beatles "Here Comes the Sun"? You should probably give it a listen and you'll see why there a plenty of people disappointed with LB's version. Its not that his version is aweful, it isn't. I don't dislike it at all, but it was hardly a tribute. I particularly like when an artist pays tribute to others by completely recreating the song, such as Matchbox 20 doing a whole new take on "Never Going Back Again". However, , when you pay tribute to someone who died, you do a faithful version and put aside your own agenda. LB's totally offbeat take on the song wasn't appropriate for that setting.

chiliD 09-09-2002 01:48 PM

Yeah, good choice of words..."inappropriate". Probably, under different circumstances, I might've enjoyed the new take of "HCTS", but, still, I doubt it, being a big George Harrison/Beatles fan.

BlueGrass 09-09-2002 01:59 PM

ChiliD; Anyway I could get this version of "Soul Drifter"? As an mp3 or something?

CarneVaca 09-09-2002 02:46 PM

Lindsey, being pretty self-centered, was going to do Here Comes the Sun however he saw fit and no one could have changed his mind about that. His rendition of the song is certainly jarring for those of us used to hearing the sweet sounds of Harrison's original. Did Lindsey strike the appropriate tone or reach for the right emotion in his version? That certainly is debatable. But does his rendition stand on its own as a typically frantic and anguished Lindsey number? Certainly, and we have our friend Seteca to attest to that. I am not sure that Lindsey should have done the whole anguish thing on this song, but to call it an abomination is probably going too far.

chiliD 09-09-2002 03:31 PM

No, I think "abomination" is actually an understatement.

Carole Ann 09-09-2002 07:35 PM

My first thought upon hearing LB's HCTS...
 
...was, "What in the world did George ever do to Lindsey?" My God, what a mess that "rendition" was. George was, no doubt, flopping about in his grave, trying to get his fingers in his ears and going, "LALALALALALALALALALALA!"

LB should be ashamed of himself; that's no way to treat a song, especially a Beatles' song. :distress:

Les 09-09-2002 08:17 PM

Actually, I thought it was sort of lovely that the reclusive member of one band would come out of his cave to play a song that meant something to him, created by a hero, the reclusive member of another band.

So you don't like the rendition, huh? Hey, fine. It's an entirely subjective opinion that lots share.

Course, some don't share it. Best thing he ever did? Nah. An abomination to the memory of George Harrison? Nah. ;)

Les 09-09-2002 08:21 PM

I'm still rather transfixed by Red Rover & Say Goodbye as my favorite "acoustics" from the new stuff.

DownOnRodeo 09-09-2002 08:40 PM

I agree with Les. Any Beatles fan might be appalled, but if the network execs chose 90s/2000s Lindsey, well, that's what they get. His playing is never a sell out these days. Some may say this 'integrity' has warped his musical sensibility to the other extreme (a'la' Tusk as areaction to Rumours)- trying carefully not to be too accessible.

So I stand by Lindsey that 'he is what he is', and that's what they got. Since when would George Harrison turn over in his grave when Lindsey is doing the best he can. If you pick Lindsey Buckingham, that's the tribute you can expect from him (if you know anythng about him post Rumours, which these NBC people seemingly didn't :s). Since when has Lindsey recently ever sold out to what people expect?

Christy - those are my exact words: My jaw dropped when I first heard Red Rover! That song is unreal.

But favourite acoustic (as opposed to live acoustic..?) goes to Try for the Sun. Maybe live acoustic is the GYOW from the Sports Bar set! Esepcially that croony vocal intro teaser!

Oh oh - are we forgetting the Down on Rodeo demo;) Sure it has some pathetic drum machine, but come on!

Carole Ann 09-09-2002 09:34 PM

Well, now
 
Is this paltry collection of barbed, witty, terribly hurtful, yet suspiciously knee-jerk, responses directed at moi?

DownOnRodeo 09-09-2002 09:42 PM

Carol Ann
 
Please, I'm appalled!
But, now that you meation jerks....

:laugh: j/k...couldn't resist!:wavey:

Anyway, who's Moi??...I was talking to you Carol Ann!
LOL;)

Carole Ann 09-09-2002 09:54 PM

Snort
 
Here's a quarter.

wondergirl9847 09-09-2002 09:57 PM

Well...
 
I just do not understand why Lindsey's version of HCTS made people want to gag. :shrug: I mean I can sit here and say, Elton John's version of "Don't Stop" was an abomination...but I won't. ;):laugh: And, you may say, but that is different, they aren't dead, but it was still called a TRIBUTE album. Anywho...

Why should Lindsey do a "cookie-cutter" version of the song, he is NOT George Harrison, so he shouldn't do it like GEORGE would have. I thought it was fine, he sang it with emotion and played AMAZINGLY. JMO tho...if ya don't like it, that's cool. :cool:

Street_Dreamer 09-09-2002 10:05 PM

What many of us as fans of Lindsey's work appreciate the most is how "out of left field" he is as a musician. He's willing to try a technique totally different than what is considered to be the "norm" (ie: Tusk.) Right or wrong, bad or good, I support his decision because he's not doing it for the money, he's doing it to better himself as a musician. I personally thought that his version of HCTS was awesome.
BUT
Lindsey's best acoustic performance, to me is the Down On Rodeo demo. The song just has a certain emotional impact on me; the vocals, the guitar, the simplicity of it is just pure magic. I KNOW it has a "beat" to it but take that out and the song wouldn't change at all because the guitar carries the beat too.

Matt

Carole Ann 09-09-2002 10:27 PM

Geez
 
I love the way Chili catches the first stage outta town just as this starts getting good. Wuss.

I hate HCtS; everybody else likes it. There you go.

I doubt seriously that any souls were released from (or sent to) purgatory just because opinions differ.

Do not infer, however, that I do not "understand" Lindsey's music; I have been a fan for longer than most of you have been alive.

It's just an opinion.

DownOnRodeo 09-09-2002 10:37 PM

Carol Ann
I could tell from your two replies to me ("knee-jerk comments" and "have a quarter") that you consider yours a higher claim to Lindsey appreciation than mine.
Yes I'm 18 (actually 19 in a few weeks). Does that make my comments inferior, especially for that matter my appreciation of Lindsey and his music? Unless you're the Carol Ann of Go Insane fame, we're fans among fans, so the "I'm older than you" thing sounds pretty lame. The point is, I was never "inferring that you didn't understand Lindsey's music". Sorry if it could have been read that way.

Carole Ann 09-09-2002 10:55 PM

I DID "read it that way;" thus my response that mine was just an opinion. My decidedly advanced age means nothing when it comes to what one likes and what one doesn't like.

Few here purport to be experts (whatever that is); if we can just hold the line at having an opinion, we may be able to straddle the fence of congeniality that passes for good sense around here.

Neither your age nor mine means a thing when it comes to whether we appreciate the way LB interprets a piece of music or not.

I repeat: You like it; I don't. There you go.

DownOnRodeo 09-10-2002 06:55 AM

Agreed!
No problemo.
:thumbsup:

jeffles 09-10-2002 09:15 AM

As I mentioned earlier, i do like his version of Here Comes the Sun. But i didn't think it was appropriate for the setting. No, i don't think George Harrison is rolling in his grave over this though...If anything, he'd be rolling over the fact that he was the most overlooked member of the beatles.
I particularly like "Down on Rodeo" most, of all the new songs. Try for the sun is also great.
Of the older songs, I like Crystal. I think he is singing at his best on that song, though its not much of a guitar piece. Big Love, Go Insane, Never Going Back Again and (acoustic) Gypsy are my favorites. I also like Time Bomb Town a lot. Great underrated song!

chiliD 09-10-2002 11:19 AM

Ok, now, if Lindsey's so "quirky", let's hear him do a solo acoustic guitar version of "Revolution #9"...that's about how "out there" his version of "HCTS" was.

It's one thing to make a song "your own", but at least make sure the song is still recognizable as the song you're covering. Lindsey definitely crossed the line on this one.

By comparison, let's look at the four Rolling Stones tunes he covered during the GoS sessions...those are very close to being carbon copies of the original tune...or at least FAITHFUL to the original arrangement; enough that the songs were RECOGNIZABLE as being the songs. He can do that with the Stones, but f***s up a GEORGE HARRISON song on national TV??? Shameful, downright shameful.

BlueGrass 09-10-2002 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Street_Dreamer
What many of us as fans of Lindsey's work appreciate the most is how "out of left field" he is as a musician. He's willing to try a technique totally different than what is considered to be the "norm" (ie: Tusk.) Right or wrong, bad or good, I support his decision because he's not doing it for the money, he's doing it to better himself as a musician. I personally thought that his version of HCTS was awesome.
BUT
Lindsey's best acoustic performance, to me is the Down On Rodeo demo. The song just has a certain emotional impact on me; the vocals, the guitar, the simplicity of it is just pure magic. I KNOW it has a "beat" to it but take that out and the song wouldn't change at all because the guitar carries the beat too.

Matt

Hey Matt...do you think I could get this sogn fro myou? Do you have it? If so contact me on AIM as Murrow86.

bjk3047 09-10-2002 02:58 PM

Just a note to Carne, Try For The Sun is one guitar. Have you head the instrumental demo for it? I wouldn't even call it a demo, it sounds like he's laying down the guitar track. He's most certainly picking away at it on one gutair.
-Brian

DownOnRodeo 09-11-2002 01:51 AM

Brian...
 
THERE IS A DEMO VERSION to Try For The Sun?? And nobody told me??!! :o

Apart from that and the Down On Rodeo demo, do you know any other GOS demos (ie excluding Given Thing etc)??

Rainman 09-11-2002 02:26 AM

Go Insane gets my vote
 
I think that Go Insane (Dance version) is the most moving of his accoustic performances. Surely it isn't the most technical or showy bit of Lindsay's work. But it is easily the most emotional (with the probable exception of Big Love).

I can listen to this over and over and find new ways to appreciate it. It's beautiful.

seteca 09-11-2002 09:35 AM

Re: Go Insane gets my vote
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Rainman
I think that Go Insane (Dance version) is the most moving of his accoustic performances. Surely it isn't the most technical or showy bit of Lindsay's work. But it is easily the most emotional (with the probable exception of Big Love).

I can listen to this over and over and find new ways to appreciate it. It's beautiful.

Rainman!:wavey:

PERFECTLY said! I don't think I've ever agreed more with a post on The Ledge!:) "Go Insane '97" is IMO the most emotional LB song ever, and is my fav. song of all time of any artist, full stop! (or "period" !! as you guys say over there!!:D )

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

Rainman 09-11-2002 11:33 AM

Seteca,

Nice to see some agreement on this. I saw Lindsey do this same version live in the early 90s at a small club in Vancouver. He did Big Love and Go Insane back-to-back, and I was seated right up front, very close. It just blew everyone away. It's something I will never forget.

seteca 09-11-2002 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rainman
Seteca,

Nice to see some agreement on this. I saw Lindsey do this same version live in the early 90s at a small club in Vancouver. He did Big Love and Go Insane back-to-back, and I was seated right up front, very close. It just blew everyone away. It's something I will never forget.

Wow!! To say I'm totally jealous would be an understatement! I can only imagine how awesome that would have been in such a small setting! I thought after the Dance I would never have the chance to see these songs performed again....but now the odds are looking good!!

(Is Big Love (Live) and Go Insane (Live) on the Greatest Hits album.....I BELIEVE SO!! Hehe!!;))

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

seteca 09-11-2002 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jeffles
Seteca,
You've never heard the Beatles "Here Comes the Sun"? You should probably give it a listen and you'll see why there a plenty of people disappointed with LB's version. Its not that his version is aweful, it isn't. I don't dislike it at all, but it was hardly a tribute. I particularly like when an artist pays tribute to others by completely recreating the song, such as Matchbox 20 doing a whole new take on "Never Going Back Again". However, , when you pay tribute to someone who died, you do a faithful version and put aside your own agenda. LB's totally offbeat take on the song wasn't appropriate for that setting.

Well I listened to the original. The funny thing is that I first accidentally downloaded an acoustic live version of the song (it's the one where he says "well i'm gonna do an acoustic song now...if we can get these mics to work...") and obviously I realised that it was a live version as soon as I started listening but I decided to carry on listening anyway...and well...maybe I'm going crazy but I actually thought it wasn't exactly light years apart from Lindsey's version......sure they weren't exactly identical, but if I had heard this acoustic version first, and then heard LB's, I would definitely have associated them immediately as the same song.
Then I downloaded the original studio version, and..yes...very rarely do I really like a song on first-listen, but it's truly a beautiful song...I loved it immediately.
Here's how I would "rate" them....the original studio version is amazing....and is so much better that I'd say it's in a different league to both his own and LB's live acoustic versions....but...I do prefer LB's live acoustic over George Harrison's.
I think there is a high chance that LB's "interpretation" of HCTS was directly based on this live acoustic version that I heard (which would make good sense seeing as his was also to be a "one man and one guitar" job), and not the original studio version.

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:


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