Sue Me! I like Lindsey Better!
 

Someone on the Stevie board told me to post over here because I am honest about Lindsey's major contribution to Stevie's carreer. :lol: I don't like sit around on my fat ass all day dressed up in chiffon and praying to Stevie Nicks shrines. I am a guy anyway! Sorry! :lol: So I guess I like totally suck. :confused: Anyways I do think Lindsey is the sshining light for Stevie and he hadn't been in her life she would be a teacher somehwere with her hair up in a bun and a big fat rear. :lol: My fave Lindsey album is Go Insane and his biggest work of genious was Sara, which is a really BAD song, but sounds good with what he did to it. So take that "Weezer" on the Stevie board!! :D :wavey: :D TheWWO

LMAO!
 

I read that post...WWO...and laughed!! I mean, why did you choose a Stevie-themed name for your screen name if you are such a LINDSEY FANATIC! LOL He never wrote a song with "just like the WHITE WINGED dove..." in it! :lol:

Anywho, my fave Lindsey solo is OOTC, but DANGIT, if he would PUT OUT GOS, I may have a new fave!!!! :laugh::nod: I think he did MAGIC with Gypsy...just LISTEN to that horrid piano demo of the song....then, listen to the greatness that is Gypsy on Mirage. :D

Oh, and BTW...I don't dress in suits, with mascara on my lashes and worship my...I mean...a Lindsey shrine... :laugh:

Because
 

I used to raise doves and homing pidgeons. Also, I like Stevie Nicks I am just not afriad to say she's not all that all the time. Lindsey's more talented by leaps and bounds. Stevie made it due to him. :wavey: :wavey: :nod: :wavey:

Ahhh...I see...
 

OH! Birds eh? So, you ARE a Lindsey fan, first and foremost! LOL I guess I should NEVER judge a book...huh? :rolleyes::laugh: I just assumed...ANYWHO...

I guess people are still hurting from the whole Who is the Most Talented? thread....because it surely sparked a TON of debate and yada yada yada...

ANOTHER LINDSEY FAN...WOOHOO!! :laugh::D:D:D

I think if I were held in a cell or something I would have to say Chris is my all time fave member but I think LB is behind ALL the genious that is rumours era Fleetwood Mac. Anyone who doesn't thnk so is really on another planet. :o :D :wavey: I gave up the birds for collecting fish but that was a bust too. :lol: Now I just collect pictures of animals so I don't have to clean up after them. :lol:

WWO...
 

LMAO!! :lol::laugh::lol:

I meant to say my name is WhiteWinged ONE (cause of my former defunct bird collection not because of Stevie really) not WhiteWingedDove. I see someone else has my similar screenname. :lol: So I am WWO and not Adam I guess. I could change my name if it helps people stay off my back on the stevie board, though! :lol::p :lol::p ;) :laugh: :wavey: :D

All Lindsey fans are most welcome here!
Birds are not easy to raise (been there on a small scale).
Can't say I'm suprised to hear honesty got you kicked off the other board. Happens to us Lindsey fans all the time.
Stevie has her moments, she writes some imaginative (?)
lyrics, but I agree she needed Linds to really craft her music.
Yeah I'm putting my head in a noose here. WTH I'm entitled
to my opinion, and so are you WhiteWingedOne (cool handle
btw).
LINDSEY RULES!!!

witchywoman:)

P.S. Don't change yourself for anyone but you, if you like
that handle you keep it! Be true to yourself, others will
survive. :) w

Thanks alot!!! I agree with you of course. :lol::wavey: :wavey:

Yep...
 

We are ALL entitled to our opinons, I agree. I also agree, don't change your name, if you don't want to. I think I got you mixed up with Adam at first too!! LOL Oh well, at least, we can go by WWO for ya. :)

I love Stevie, but LINDSEY is first and foremost my fave member of FM. He's the reason I came to FM and I am eternally grateful to him for his music, guitar work (which inspired me to take up the guitar!!), lyrics and humbleness. Just like Stevie fans are grateful to her for her lyrics and music. We all have our faves..songs, members, etc...so, to each his own. ROCK ON!! :thumbsup:

You know I didn't want to get drawn into this but you really do need to grow up WWO. I am a Fleetwood Mac fan and I love them all. But to catagorise all Stevie fans by saying don't like sit around on my fat ass all day dressed up in chiffon and praying to Stevie Nicks shrines is downright immature and insulting. (no doubt you will claim is is a joke)

You think Sara is a bad song? Fine...that is your choice but maybe you should learn some good manners

Pip

No, they're not on another planet, they're just on another forum.

In fact, from what you sparked on that forum, I'm almost waiting for the revengeful "Lindsey Sucks, Stevie's Great" post on this Lindsey forum.

These forums are set up to give people the opportunity
to express their opinions Gypsy, but I think the statement
was made to a certin person and probably came from
singed feelings at being told he wasn't welcome.
We all tend to get a bit extreme in the heat of the moment.
We Lindsey fans have taken our share of abuse here
as well, and we've all lived through it.
Also, if you didn't want to get into it...why did you post??

witchywoman:)

look who chimes in now
 

Nope wasn't a joke at all! :lol: I really think some people do that! They may make variations on their days, though. Like in your case you may light sticks of insense and candles with that dragon breath of yours. ;) All Stevie people do is ATTACK when their little reason for liiving gets criticised. :rolleyes: Since I have a life, I am not at all sensitive to it. And hey Pip, If you don't wanna get "drawn in" as you put it then just------ butt the heck out------ OK? You love to attack people especially new people I can see that. Doesn't bother me though cause I post what I want on a public forrum and I DO IT POLITELY but maybe with TRUTH. So Buh-byeee!!:wavey:

I'm sure Barbara won't mind me posting this....

speaking as one of the Ledge moderators, all Fleetwood Mac fans are welcome to post on each and every one of the forums available here.

It has been very apparent over the years, that some of the band members have extremely loyal... and vocal (;))... fans.
Which is why there are so many forums available here, as opposed to just one or two.

It seems to me that the only time arguments occur is when a fan of one member posts on the forum dedicated to another, seemingly to chastize those particular fans.
And i'm not referring to just Lindsey fans doing this on the Stevie forum, or Stevie fans doing it on the Lindsey forum, or even Rick Vito fans doing it on the Peter Green forum.
It's disrespectful no matter what the scenario is.

ALL opinions are welcome. They always have been.
It's all a matter of how you present it.


Johnny Stew

Re: look who chimes in now
 

What world do you live in WWO??? As you claim to be so young were you never told to respect your elders?? To think that busy working mothers of several children get the time to swan around in chiffon all day sitting on their none to slender rears lighting inscents and inhaling the aromas listening and quoting Stevie 24/7 is something that really belongs in cloud cuckoo land ....perhaps that is where you are from????:laugh: :laugh:

Oh darn....you totally guessed my whole reason for living...sheesh

Pip

Now that'd be something...I don't know of any Rick Vito fans who AREN'T also Peter Green fans, and vice versa. ;)


:blob2:

I Like Lindsey!!!!
 

:wavey:HI! I really...really admire and really appreciate
Lindsey BucKINGham's work!!! :blob2: You are allowed
opinions...but Lindsey Rules on this Designated Forum!

My moniker comes from my Ruby Red Buick Skylark car :eek:not a
song lyric because Lindsey also drove a Skylark!;) Luv, Sky :)

*lol*
Somehow I knew you were gonna call me on that one ;)
Still, I wanted to present a scenario other than just Stevie Fans vs. Lindsey Fans or Lindsey Fans vs. Stevie Fans.

Maybe I should have said Green-era Mac fans vs. Rumours-era ones. :D



Johnny Stew

Re: Re: look who chimes in now
 

gee that's a lot more detail than I could ever have come up with. thanks for filling us in on your day! :wavey:

Lindsey Shmindsey....

Its funny

I am 25 years old. I work about 55-60 hours a week. I live on my own and LOVE music.

My favorite band of all time is Fleetwood Mac. I have Stevie posters on my wall. I have Lindsey posters on my wall. I have Stevie bootlegs, videos and cd's...I have Lindsey bootlegs, videos and cd's. Lindsey makes me melt with his amazing looks and beautiful guitar playing and wonderful singing. Stevie mesmorizes me with her magical lyrics, gritty voice and her beauty. I just am equally into both. Stevie would be someone without Lindsey...Im not sure sure on the same scale if she and Lindsey hadn't joined FM, if Lindsey didn't include her in the package deal...if Lindsey hadn't molded her earliest songs into hits.

There is no doubt they work together beautifully. Together they are magic, apart they have their own talents...but both are talented.

So I guess Im rare that I love both. I post on both boards. I don't sit around praying to my Stevie shrine dressed in chiffon and I don't sit around feeling sorry for Lindsey because Stevie stole his glory...i do none of that.

Oh well...I know Im not the only one.

I call foul! Illegal use of two Fleetwood Mac song lyrics in ONE sentence! ;)

Matt

*lol*
500 points to whomever can name the second song that was (inadvertantly?) quoted.

Sit down, chili... we already know you know it. ;)
:laugh:



Johnny Stew

Sue Me! I like...
 

Paul better than John, OOPS...Wrong band & wrong NG, My mistake...lol...I enjoy reading these posts though.

BTW, I like both Lindsey & Stevie equally...Brian

Watch your back
 

WWO, watch your back. When I started posting on the Rumours board with some regularity, I was immediately sucked in to one of these silly arguments. I found it is virtually impossible to have rational discussion with certain Stevie fans around here. And it earned me a so-called "strike," which I presume puts me on some kind of probationary status on the board. I see you've gotten tangled with some of the same characters with whom I exchanged a few choice words. Here's some advice:

-- Always use "in my humble opinion." They seem to like that.
--Whatever you do, don't imply anyone is stupid, even if what they post betrays a less-than-intelligent quality. Logic is often a problem.
--Stevie can do no wrong, despite your quite accurate assessment of where she would have ended up without Lindsey. Of course, I would guess she'd still be waiting tables.
--Oh, yeah, don't ever say anything that might be perceived as an attack on any other Ledgie, regardless of how you meant it.
--Don't call the moderators fascists, even if they... oh never mind.

Ironically I've refrained from attacking anyone recently. Yet at least a couple of people, including a moderator no less, have directed uncalled-for barbs at me. But, hey, as long as they keep worshiping the goddess or refraining from saying anything too controversial about the band, they'll be safe.

Good luck to ye, lad.

Thanks Carnevaca. your posts make good sense to me. I am not intimidated by The ChiffonStepfordWives. I don't bother when people are that one sided. snnnnnnnnooooore. ;) :wavey:

THE CHIFFON PEOPLE
 

Why the heck must we be divided into seperate groups. Segregation has been outlawed. If I had to define myself i would call myself a stevie fan first definitly. But Lindsey's OOTC has to be the greatest album EVER, Bella Donna and rumours are right up there though. So I'm saying that I Love Stevie the most and i love her package of singing, songwriting, looks and musical ability(OK i had to lie somewhere:laugh: ) BUT she can play the piano and guitar blindfolded better then me and most of us here. And lindsey I love too, not in the same way as stevie i would never hang a lindsey poster up anywhere, But he is TRULY i don't know what words to use a genuis, an artist, a whatever. He has more talent in one finger then i don't know. the point is, he's good. how does he harmonise with himself making himself sound like a girl. but now the real point( I've rambled on so much) I'm a stevie fan, I DO NOT WHERE CHIFFON and bow to Stevie(OK cept that one time, but there was NO chiffon. And INCENSE. Come on. i wonder if chris ever had to break up these kind of fights between the real stevie and lindsey.

Re: THE CHIFFON PEOPLE
 

Ask The ChiffonStepfordWives that question. They're the ones that can't take the heat and get agressive and PMS-out when you say ANYTHING in the Anti-Nicks! I say TOUGH! I love Bella Donna and Wildheart and her commercially successful work. Basically to me she's rock's greatest bull**** artist and it works for her in a weird way. I think LB slept with his guitar for a BIG REASON! :lol:

We, as "Chifffon Heads" as some people like to call us, aren't separating anybody into groups. We have been forced to band together, though, in order to stick up for what we believe. I don't think anybody has questioned Lindsey's talent. I adore Lindsey. He is definitely talented, and although I used to not like his solo stuff so much, I am definitely coming around. Especially w/the latest GOS demos. See, I think that's where the problem is. All of these debates are a matter of OPINION. Someone's dislike of Stevie, or Lindsey is OPINION. Not fact. Saying that Lindsey has talent, is OPINION. Saying Stevie has talent is OPINION. But while the "chiffon heads" usually readily admit this, the Lindseyheads don't. They swear it as fact that the man has talent, and that Stevie doesn't. That Stevie would be nothing without Lindsey, yada yada yada. The truth is, NO ONE knows that. That is an OPINION. Who knows, maybe she would have went FARTHER without him, if he hadn't sat on his rear playing guitar all day and night while she supported him. Maybe she, if she had spent that time concentrating on HER career, would have ten number one albums by now...or twenty...or thirty. lol. Who knows??? It's all OPINION. And guesswork.

Ahh...I don't know why I am bothering. I usually don't. LOL:)

~~Angela~~:wavey:

Angela, you were on the right track until you tooka very wrong turn there. Clearly likes and dislikes are a matter of opinion. However, being able to ascertain if someone is talented is not necessarily about opinion. Very few people would say Lindsey does not have talent when he plays the guitar, arranges and produces. And if they do, most of us would agree that they would be wrong.

I also happen to like his songwriting and I think he has written some masterful lyrics, despite some stinkers. We can base our arguments about lyrics on our own opinions of what we like or dislike. Therein the issue. Because writing and (barely) singing is all Stevie does, the unending debate about her talent versus Lindsey's will be perpetuated forever. While some of Lindsey's talents are undeniable, much of what makes Stevie great to some is entirely up to debate based on subjectivity. This is why the "subjective" term is often bandied about by Stevie defenders. That's all they have.

Okay...see, you missed my point. That's my fault, lol...after reading over what I posted. I worded a few things wrong. What I meant was that yes, it is a matter of "opinion", if you like Lindsey's or Stevie's work. And yeah, it is fact that he is talented. BUT...so is Stevie. And that is FACT, also. The woman has many solo albums out, to her credit. If she didn't have talent, we never would have seen or heard Wild Heart, RAL, OSOTM, SA, TISL, etc. Now, whether or not you LIKE it is your opinion. But to say that she is not talented, or that Lindsey is a hundred times more talented than she is, is wishful thinking, and "your" point of view. See, in my opinion, I think her songwriting and her singing outweigh Lindsey's guitar playing any ol' day. That's my opinion. And my point. Their level of talent IS subjective.

~~Angela~~:wavey:

Fussin' and fightin'
 

Thank you for posting this - I've been away for a couple of days!

I'd like to remind everyone that this is a private message board - not a public one - and to add a request that everyone who hasn't read the F.A.Q. Rules and Guidelines for posting, please do so before you post again. In his own inimitable way, CarneVaca made some good points about strikes for unacceptable behavior in posting - particularly the one about calling the moderators "fascists". :D

It is absolutely unnecessary to be rude and insulting in order to state your opinion. These arguments about Stevie vs. Lindsey have been going on for years on The Ledge and to my knowledge nobody's mind has ever changed, and probably never will.

As Johnny Stew said - it's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it.

Thanks,
Barbara

Hmmm...
 

Where would S&L be if they didn't join FM?

If they couldn't make it as Buckingham Nicks, I would guess that Stevie would be a teacher. She would still be writing marvelous songs, but no one would hear them. Lindsey would probably be working at his dad's old coffee plant. He would still be fiddling with his guitar, but neither of them would be anywhere without the other. It was THEIR talent that got Mick interested, and it was THEIR talent that brought FM more into the limelight.

Hmm, just my opinion.

Love,
Jo and Jensen

Re: Fussin' and fightin'
 

That almost sounded like a compliment. I'll take it.

Hey, what happened to our young friend, anyway. Did he get bounced?

Re: Re: Fussin' and fightin'
 

Name calling always gets our attention! ;)

No, he didn't get bounced - hopefully he's busy reading the F.A.Q. :D

Barbara

Stevie vs. Lindsey
 

The Stevie vs. Lindsey arguments, who's the "best", who's the most talented, etc. always bothered me because they are such totally different artists. Even their career goals were different. They've always been competitors - but I think that was a personal thing in their particular situation. The old "apples and oranges" cliché comes to mind.

I wonder if they had never been in a band together, would anybody have ever tried to compare these two people? Why would they? And, if they had "gone their own way" from the beginning, which music would I have been attracted to?

My answer is Lindsey. He's the reason I'm here writing this today. I was hooked the minute I saw/heard him on The Dance. AND, I see no reason to be defensive or apologetic. Stevie without Lindsey is simply not my cup of tea and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that being my opinion.

Stevie and Lindsey are two COMPLETELY different kind of musicians with two COMPLETELY different styles and they produce COMPLETELY different music as solo artists. Because Lindsey could arrange Stevie's songs for Fleetwood Mac and occasionally when they were guests on other albums is testament to his talent as an arranger, he's done it for other artists too. He has claimed his major contribution to the band was his ability to make records.

The reason these arguments are so endless and frustrating is that these two people can't be compared.

I looked up "talent" when the thread started on the Rumours Forum (IMO, a subject that was a blatant argument provoker). My Thesaurus says A person who possesses unusual innate ability in some field or activity

I won't rhapsodize on Lindsey's unusual innate abilities (evident at a very young age) - self-taught player of guitar and other instruments, singer, arranger, producer, songwriter, engineer, . . .swimmer! :laugh: I think he has an amazing list of talents considering he doesn't read music - and . . .what about the hidden ones? ;)

It's good if you can be a fan of both. And it's even better if you can understand and respect the opinions of those who aren't!

Barbara

Hummm.
In my origional post, I attributed WWO's outburst to have
stemmed from his being told he should be posting on another
forum. I also felt that he would probably somewhat mellow
after getting it off his chest... I see that I was wrong in this acessment.
I believe very strongly in Lindsey's abilities as an artist, I do not however feel that any of Stevie's fans should be called names
or made to feel demeaned in any way. As a Lindsey fan I
don't think that Lindsey would find that amusing either.
I realize we all feel strongly for our favorite FM members
and we often have differences of opinions where they are
concerned; but an open attack on someone just for the
sake of voicing your opinion, is in my opinion, very poor
judgement.
I would welcome another Lindsey fan to this forum WWO
we are a close knit group here, but we also try to have respect
for those of other opinions.
I think there is more than enough room here for Lindsey and
Stevie fans... Yes we will still disagree, and that's healthy,
but being opionated does not give someone the right to
be cruel.
Just my opinion.

witchywoman:)

Re: Stevie vs. Lindsey
 

Barbara, you make it very hard for me to disagree with you... And that's not something I'm used to. I christen you my new favorite moderator. Though, I kinda like Les too.

But at the risk of straying too far from controversy, I have to say something after reading this from Witchywoman: "As a Lindsey fan I don't think that Lindsey would find that amusing either."

How can you presume to know what he would think? I would guess he has called Stevie a lot more and nastier names than the whole lot of us could ever conjure up.