From the moderator
 

A thread has been closed due to the disrespectful nature of its content. I am sorry to have to do this and hope it won't have to happen again.

This is nonsense. If people disagree, why not just let them work it out, or give up, on their own?

You should be trying to encourage the exchange of ideas, even if it gets a little heated. What's this, fascism?

Whoooooaaaaaa!
 

Deja vu, man!:blob2: :blob2: :blob2: :blob2:

thank you vianna
 

i'm so glad you closed it! that thread was sooooo tired!

mimi:)

i'm sorry Vianna, but i have to agree with this statement.
this 'fight' was not over-dirty and seemed to be chilling down at the end, this closing of a thread containing some very interesting thoughts by many, plus some important info, seems too strict in my opinion.
democracy doesn't always look so nice, but it's a must.

i havnt posted here in a while, but just from reading certain posts by people..you can tell some of them are contagious assholes. No offense but reading that thread was not exactly inviting to join in on the conversation

People have all the right to express their opinion, disagree or agree. However, to get nitty gritty and just plain snotty over somones thought or ideas...is pitifull. It's sad to see a bunch of fans who can't even post on fan forum without some sort of arguemtn over stupid little deatils and name calling.

Call me STUPID if you wish...i don't care none the less

Alex

Good call Vianna
 

I could have gone either way on the use of such an angry thread, but in the end...

it's the moderator's call. I respect her decision!

That's what we have a moderator for. People must have complained as well.

So let's not turn this into a disparaging thread about the moderator! :distress: :distress:

Unfortunately some of the reactions on this board are pretty reflective of what's going on in the country (I realize a handful of people here post from outside the US). Essentially ignorant people who don't understand or appreciate the beauty and sanctity of a free exchange of ideas want to clamp down on some unpopular views. We see it among the corporations that are trying to run our lives and in our pansy-ass government as well.

That of course is in strict violation of the spirit that guided the folks who came up with concepts such as "freedom of speech." Even going back to pre-colonial days, there were folks back in England (and if you want to go back far enough, Greece) who argued in favor of a marketplace of ideas, in which opposing views would fight it out in public and the truth would emerge, whatever it may be.

Now we see the fascists who run these boards going down the track of censorship. It's nothing new here. This board became overly restrictive a few years back after some folks made some unpopular comments and got into cyber verbal conflicts. Having been the one you would probably consider the villain in the thread in question, I understand whom the insults already on this thread are being directed at. Let me make it clear: I don't care that you disapprove of the way I handled myself. The whole thing started after I made unpopular remarks about the band. Some little pissant who was obviously uninformed and thin-skinned decided to engage me in volley of words until she gave up and, presumably, went to complain to the Ledge fascists in charge. Mind you, until this person chose to engage me, I had had what I considered interesting discussions with others on the board. Some people agreed with my positions and some disagreed. Only one person chose to continue to combat me in this way. The thread speaks for itself.

Some people will say I was disrespectful and what have you. Yet I never directly engaged in name-calling while some of my remarks were admittedly less-than-courteous. Hey, that's the breaks. Do people always adress you in precisely the way you would want to be addressed? If you engage in a discussion, you must be mature enough to understand that someone may address you in a way you dislike. I can go back over the thread in question and spot a couple of places where remarks were made that I might have taken as insult. Yet I chose to believe the author(s) was merely making a point, not attacking me. After all, I don't know these people and they don't know me. So whatever assumptions they make about me (or I about them) are unimportant.

Now, kick me off the boards if you must. As you have others who came before me with unpopular views. And as you will others who come after me. Then you'll be well on your way to ensuring that you will have nothing but countless megabytes of cyber drivel about how deep a shade of blue Lindsey's eyes are and how great Stevie looked at the last of her countless appearances at one of these masturbatory celebrity events that are constanly in the news.

Me, I'm interested in the music. And it is because of that that I made my orginal comments on the thread in question.

For you information I took the adult approach and walked away from the argument as it was getting us nowhere and this isn't the place for that. I can honestly say I have never had a problem with anyone on this board before but I will not sit here and be insulted. Was I being overly sensitive??? Maybe so and if that is the case then I will try not to be again. Perhaps you could do the same and let it drop also. Though I expect you will feel the need to respond to my post.

Pip

Oh and obviously I am uninformed again as that sounds like yet more insults you are throwing my way

why is this happening?
 

please stop before the moderator CLOSE THE BOARD! how many times was chit chat closed! enough is enough! drop it everyone please!

mimi:)

"Was I being overly sensitive??? Maybe so and if that is the case then I will try not to be again."

Not being too successful, are you?


"Oh and obviously I am uninformed again as that sounds like yet more insults you are throwing my way."

If the hat fits...

I have not seen the post that this is about. But as far as freedom of speech, no one is taking that away from anyone by locking a post. You can say all you want to say, maybe just not here. And moderators have every right to do that. This is not your message board. Someone else set it up. And they have the right to keep it the way they want it.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you have the right to go *everywhere* and say what you want. If someone invites you into their house and then you start up something they do not feel is fitting, and it's upsetting their other guests, they have every right to ask you to either stop, or to please leave. That is not holding back your freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech doesn't entitle you to take away other people's freedoms. And since this message board is very much like someone's living room that you are invited into, then they have the right to say - we don't want this type of thing going on here. And we can respect that, or leave. It's our choice. So chill out and stop throwing the whole "freedom of speech" into the mix. I mean, give me a break.

So, no big deal. Take the conversation elsewhere if you want. That's your freedom. Ain't it grand! ;)

y?
 

and what r u so mad about? let it go. please!

mimi:)

trouble on the boards
 

OK,

I've been having discussions by email with other nameless Ledgies and the feeling I am getting is this:-

This message board is populated in the greater majority by teenagers, which is on the whole a good thing. It shows this band and it's members are reaching a large range of age groups and not just appealing to the"oldies".

However, some of these teenagers or even some of the adults with immature mentalities seem to take offense if anything with a negative approach to this band is posted. If anyone questions an aspect of the band, it's music or a particular member, especially Stevie, it is deemed blasphemous. Those of you taking this approach know who you are. As for those of you at school or college that feel this way, please understand that you will never gain wisdom in life unless you open up and grasp other peoples ideas, good or bad, and reflect on them with an open mind.

As for the moderators, their job is to ensure that these boards remain free of particularly bad language and to stop any posts that are in bad taste. If Ledgies descend to personal attacks and name calling then they should recieve a friendly warning and their posts should be edited accordingly, not removed altogether. Remember moderators, you wield the power to decide what we see posted, please set a good example to the rest of us. On the whole, keep up the good work.

If this post upsets anybody, sorry if I've caused any trouble in your own personal shangri-la, but please think before you reply to a thread.

Thanks.

"I have not seen the post that this is about."

Would you review a book without reading it first?

"Freedom of speech doesn't mean you have the right to go *everywhere* and say what you want."

I don't think I said that. I was merely suggesting that the folks who control this site should encourage a free exchange of ideas. If you missed that, I suggest you re-read my post.

"and what r u so mad about? let it go. please!"

If you're bothered by this, stop reading it. No one is forcing you to. Let it go

excuse me!
 

1st of all i don't have to stop reading anything that i don't want to. did i say this was "bothering" me? NO I DID NOT! and i know that "no one is forcing" me to read this thread, so you DON'T have to tell me that.

this thread started off with a moderator's post, so of course i'm gonna read it! i was simply asking you "why and what are you so mad about?" so, if you don't want to answer my question, then fine.

mimi:)

lol!
 

Just a brief interruption here for a hearty laugh at a beautifully constructed sentence with just the right touch of snark.

All right. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

"1st of all i don't have to stop reading anything that i don't want to. did i say this was "bothering" me? NO I DID NOT! and i know that "no one is forcing" me to read this thread, so you DON'T have to tell me that."

Tyshiria, let's try to be reasonable here. Read. Don't read. That's up to you. But so far all you've added to this thread and the one that was closed were strongly-worded suggestions for people to stop engaging in the argument. Therefore, I deduced that the exchange bothered you. If that is so, I respectfully recommend that you not get involved. I have read plenty of discussions on these boards that I thought were silly, or even stupid, but I simply moved on. I didn't go to the trouble of posting to tell people to quit it.

"i was simply asking you 'why and what are you so mad about?' so, if you don't want to answer my question, then fine."

I didn't answer your question because the premise is wrong. You assumed I'm mad. Actually, I've been having a great deal of fun.

oooooooooooh ok
 

well that's not so, so your assumption was as wrong as mine. and if you're having "fun".........knock yourself out!

mimi:)

"well that's not so, so your assumption was as wrong as mine. and if you're having "fun".........knock yourself out!"

Good, I'm glad we were able to reach some sort of agreement. I hope you are having fun too.

yeah
 

you're funny.

mimi

Mick had NO IDEA what he was doing by doing that interveiw that threw us hungry dogs a bone, but little did we know the bone had been spiked with rat poison.

I take offense at being called a fascist.
I'm a registered democrat.
;)
:D



Johnny Stew

Been there, done that, Carne
 

Just ANOTHER break from the hoo-hah for a round of applause (clap-clap-clap) for an equally well-constructed, yet subtly snarky sentence. Thanks, D.

As for the rest of it:

Carne, when you're speaking to those of us who are adults and have been through it and back again, you are preaching to the choir. We agree yet perceive the futility of your campaign. We who have been there and back again know that everything you say rings true, but to only a small segment of this board.

The rest of 'em? Well, they're the ones who insist (still) on living their lives through the lyrics of a song, I think, because they haven't lived LONG ENOUGH to realize that LB is NOT going to "get back with" the ponderous Ms. Nicks, yet that's what we read about here: "Yippee, Mick says they're back in the studio and the chemistry is back between Stevie and Mr. Whiney." This, they take to mean there's potential f*cking going on during breaks in the janitor's closet. They're living lives not yet defined through this non-couple and WILL NOT GIVE AN INCH until, we can only hope, they've gotten 10 or more years under their belts and can see that it's all smoke and mirrors; it's all what THEY perceive is going on; it has NOTHING to do with reality. Or maybe it does. But you're never going to convince anyone of anything until they're ready to be convinced. And those masturbatory Nicksians and (with the exception of one or two) those salivatory Buckingham-ites will stand their ground as surely as the waves go out and the waves come back in.

We agree with you; but that's not the point. No one ELSE is going to, so you've kind of got yourself into a bind here. You've evidently got two options and two only: Preach to the choir or preach to the brick wall. :distress: :rolleyes:

madformac and CaroleAnn are quite right and they both said it with humor and intelligence...The thing to remember is that there are alot of young people on this board for whom a fairy tale life is still a possibility, they have the road ahead of them...and so, thankfully I might add, they can see reality in a romantic and hopefully positive light.

We older ledgies should remember we were once young and romantic ourselves...and we never listened to anyone either and took life way tooo seriously ourselves. Only time has taught us there is really is no happily ever after, you can't control situations and even people, and scary and wierd things happen to us in life and everything is not always black and white. so we need to nod and wink and know...

I think the younger people need to understand that the one thing that survives the rough patches in life is a good sense of humor. It can be ironic, it can even be bitter and rough but it has to be funny...and Stevie and Lindsey and the entire band can be perfect foils for this type humor...it becomes just another reason we older ledgies remain drawn to them and their music...so let us have our fun and don't take us toooo serious...

and one last thing...I just absolutely love the color of this brick wall!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Bella, Bella, Bella - YAY!
 

EXACTLY what I was getting at, although not as gracefully. THANK you! That IS what I meant.:p

this has got to be the funniest thread
 

thanks for giving us all such a laugh.

mimi:)

It's not necessarily to *whom* you're preaching, but *how* you're preaching.

Expressing opinions is a great thing... most especially when it's done with tact and respect.



"There ain't no good guy... there ain't no bad guy... there's only you and me, and we just disagree...."




Johnny Stew

thanks johnny!
 

i couldn't agree more!

mimi:)

And thanks, Ty...
 

...for taking up half a damned page with extraneous quotes; you and Our Pip just go hog-wild, don't'cha?!! :D

Very nicely put Bella Figura.

I don't remember too much about my teenage years other than acne, mood swings and thoughts about girls!! :laugh: :laugh:

Hopefully, though, I have always tried to understand situations from other perspectives than my own, don't get me wrong, I LOVE a good argument, but in a constructive way. I don't feel the need to throw the rattle out of the pram if I hear something I don't like :laugh:

From some of the replies I have read lately it's as if one Ledgie has stolen the other's crayons!! It's a bit like a kindergarten!

Life can be wonderful when you are young, or young at heart, don't waste it in trivial tit for tat mud slinging. Enjoy yourselfs!

:blob2: :] :blob2: :] :blob2:

Re: And thanks, Ty...
 

oh no problem. aren't they just the best? :nod:

mimi:)

Um...
 

N-n-n-o-o-o-o-o.:rolleyes:

Maybe one of these days, they'll be YOUR quotes so you won't have to rely on someone else's words to express what you're feeling. Or maybe not.

OMG!
 

:laugh: :laugh:

This thread is just too damn funny. :D


Song of the moment - Bella Donna

Re: Um...
 

lmao! i'm not relying on someone else's quotes to express what i'm feeling. did i tell you i was doing that? no i didn't. don't make assumptions my dear. my quotes are just that......QUOTES :lol: things i have come across that i thought were funny and sweet.

you're too much :laugh:

mimi:)

Re: Um...
 

Now it's my turn to roll on the floor laughing.

Re: Re: Um...
 

:lol: good boy! :lol:

mimi:)

Re: Re: Re: Um...
 

"good boy!"

Your wit is impressive.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Um...
 

oooooooh you're too sweet. thanks hun. are you still rolling around on the floor?

mimi:)

I'm quite yong...
 

19, but i don't think or WANT stevie and Lindsey to get back together. When you fairy talers(nice new word i just made up :laugh: ) see Lindsey holding his little girl in his arms and his wife, how can you want him to reunite with Stevie. The soap opera was great in the 70's and has been the source of probibly 85% of Stevie's songs, BUT let's keep it that way.