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Lindsey Buckingham vs. Mark Knophler
Fingerpicking is not the guitar style of choice for most rock guitar players, but two of the finest guitarist of the modern rock era use their fingers rather than a pick. They are Lindsey Buckingham and Mark Knophler. For anyone who isn't familiar with the latter, he is the guitarist/vocalist/songwriter of Dire Straits. As well as leading that band, Knophler has performed and produced for others, as well as recording his own solo albums.
I've often thought about who is actually a better guitar player, and its a tough one. I don't know if i can say who is better, since they are both tremendous. LB may be a better all around musician, which includes production and arrangment, and his voice is better than Knophler's, but I can't see how he's a better guitar player. I would place them on the same scale as guitarists. I'd like to hear other people's thoughts are, keeping in mind that this is a LB message board and the opinions may be slightly biased... |
Linds vs Mark
Hmmm..I don't think you can compere either one against the other, their style of music is quite different and Lindsey appears to have many more strings to his bow as you have already suggested.The one thing I do find interesting, is the difference in technique with the actual fingers. Mark almost appears arthritic, whereas Lindseys fingers are much more open and fascinating to watch with that "how does he do that " look about them! Either way, the music is what counts and it's pretty good from both but hardly comparable.:D (my loyalities lie with the latter though!!!)
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Both are great!
(Ok, not to be picky but I just wanna say that his name is spelt Mark Knopfler, not Knophler!:eek: :p )
I think that, although Fleetwood Mac and Dire Straits aren't exactly galaxies apart when it comes to music genre, Lindsey and Mark's style and intentions (if that makes any sense!) are very different. Lindsey's eternal method of Travis fingerpicking is essential to many of his songs, where you really need the ability to produce three pretty much independent bass, rhythm and melody sections from one guitar (e.g. The Chain, Big Love & Go Insane acoustics, Landslide, World Turning etc etc), whereas as far as I can tell (I obviously don't know anything near as much about Mark), Mark uses a freestyle fingerpicking method, which isn't really essential to any of his songs, but still sounds awesome. I've always thought of Mark as a rock guitarist who uses his fingers simply because he prefers to use them to a pick, and Lindsey as a bluegrass-turned-rock guitarist, who seems to have ingeniously kept his bluegrass-rooted sound and style in his very much rock/pop dominated songs. Mark is of course also nothing less than a musical genius (IMO), Sultans of Swing....Brothers In Arms.....need I say more??:) :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: |
Re: Lindsey Buckingham vs. Mark Knophler
It's an interesting topic. I really like both of them very much. THey are both excellent guitarists and very unique. I'm not sure i agree with you that Lindsey's voice is better - they both have very distinctive "imperfect" voices that have great emotion and depth, but I think it's definitely okay to disagree on such a thing. They're both awesome, as you pointed out and I hope they'll continue to make music for many years to come. :)
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LB vs MK
Here's my take on this as these two are my favorite guitarists anyway.
As far as vocal range is concerned Lindsey has it it the bag. MK's vocal range is fairly limited, although he uses what he has very well. Both of them produce and arrange music as well, I would give Knopfler the edge here because although Lindsey's skills are amongst the finest, Mark Knopfler has written and produced numerous film scores including Local Hero and Wag The Dog (starring Anne Heche, if Lindsey is reading this!) and his latest work was on the new TV series of Auf Wiedersehen Pet over here in the UK. Lindsey's approach to arranging is amazing though, I have to say. As far as guitar technique is concerned Lindsey uses a Travis picking style (three fingers and thumb with the thumb driving the bass and rhythm) and sometimes "frails" the strings, a la banjo style with his fingers as well. Knopfler uses what seems to be a kind of awkward style with his thumb doing the majority of the work and using his fore and middle fingers, looking like they are glued together at times to pick the top E and B (thinest two) strings. His palm seems to stick close to the guitar bridge at most times too. I play with a style similar to Knopfler's although I do move my right hand a lot more than he does and I do sometimes use my ring finger as well. It works for me. Both of these guys are self taught and neither ever had a lesson which explains their unorthodox styles when playing electric. Both guitarists play amazing instruments. Lindsey's Turner 1CLB is quite incredible for a single pickup guitar. Knopfler's Pensa-Suhr (see my avatar) is also quite ridiculous with it's range of tones. ***Seteca, I eventually decided to get John Suhr to build me a guitar similar to the one he built MK instead of getting a Turner 1CLB.*** Anyway, I think there really is nothing between them as artists. Knopfler seems more well known which is odd because Fleetwood Mac are far bigger than Dire Straits ever were. I personally would give MK the title of best player only because I have seen him play things that I as a guitarist cannot grasp and everything I have seen Lindsey play I can understand from a guitarists point of view (even if I can't play like him! Ha!) Hope this long, pointless ramble helps! |
LINDSEY RULES!!
Mark is quite impressive, but I don't listen to his music that much. I do love Sultans of Swing. I would have to say Lindsey's breathy, sexy voice is WAY better to my ears than Mark, but that's all about opinion. :nod: Don't forget that Mark also scored The Princess Bride, excellent movie and excellent soundtrack!! (BTW, I can play part of the theme on my guitar!! WOOHOO! :laugh: ) I PREFER Lindsey as a singer AND as a guitarist, but Mark is great.
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Lindsey Buckingham.....we're not worthy..!! we're not worthy!!lol:laugh: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: |
It's not a competition...please, no wagering. :lol:
Knopfler comes from, seemingly, a more country/jazz...um...Chet Atkins influenced finger-style, whereas Lindsey's Travis picking style is more of a Appalachian bluegrass roots thing. Apples & Oranges. Let's really mix it up and toss in a third option of a WELL-KNOWN guitar player who doesn't use a pick and has a unique style of playing with his fingers that comes from neither of the same roots as Buckingham or Knopfler...but from rockabilly...his idols were Cliff...uh..um...oh, crap, can't think of his last name right now...but he was Gene Vincent's guitar player...oh, yeah, Cliff Gallup, Eddie Cochrane, & Duane Eddy; and despite being influenced by those late '50's rockabilly guys, went on to take psychedelic blues-rock, jazz/rock fusion, and techno jazz/rock to new heights...was most well known for being Eric Clapton's replacement in the Yardbirds...the one...the only... ...JEFF BECK. |
Mark Knopfler etc.
getting a bit off-topic but I wanted to add that the Dire Straits song "Romeo and Juliet" is amazing and has always been one of my favorites. The Indigo Girls did a killer cover version of it on their album "Rites of Passage" aswell. As a mtter of fact, I'm not even sure which version I like better - it's very hard to choose. I love Mark's voice, but the Indigo Girls really are great on this song - and their version is extremely passionate and intense.
Chili - about Jeff Beck, I have heard a bit of his guitar work over the years and I thought it was amazing. I must admit though I seem to have a tendency to listen to singer/guitarists more than just guitarists - Jeff's guitarwork is world-class but I have heard that he is not considered much of a singer? Would you agree? Justine :) |
I think he's credited on lead vocals on only about 3 or 4 songs in his entire career. :) So, yeah...he's not much of a singer...guitar-SLINGER, yeah, though.
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Guitar "Slingers"!!!
Very interesting Thread...Lindsey is the first
guitar player I could "understand"!!!:eek:But...I also think there are many, awesome players with unique guitar playing moves! :D :blob2: seteca...I agree with -Brian...Could not say IT any better! My feelings exactly! Cheers! Sky :) |
Don't forget as well that Lindsey really needs to get as full a sound as he can from one guitar and although he has Neale Heywood and Ray Lindsey helping him out on tour, Fleetwood Mac are really a one guitarist band. Lindsey's Travis picking style is essential to this without it this wouldn't work.
Lindsey's amazing ability to fingerpick multiple notes at a time makes you forget this now and again, and of course,when he left Fleetwood Mac in 1987 he was replaced by two guitarists. Says a lot about the man's ability. If you listen to Knopfler live he is mainly a lead player on stage and really doesn't play a great deal of rhythm all by himself, although this is not the case in the studio. Awesome talents, both of them. |
not only was Lindsey replaced by two guitarists in 1987, he was replaced by 2 truly exceptional guitarists. Rick Vito has been one of the most prolific studio guitarists of the 70's and 80's. His best moment was the awesome slide guitar solo on Bob Segar's song "Like a Rock"...
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Ok, fact...two guitar players joined when Lindsey left.
MYTH: it took two guitar players to replace Lindsey. Billy was asked to joined because his VOCAL range was similar to Lindsey's. Billy knew that his guitar prowess wasn't up to the standards of Fleetwood Mac's needs, so Mick asked Rick Vito, who Billy'd been working with prior to joining the Mac and who Billy (strongly) suggested they add, too. It was, in essence, a similar situation to 1975...Billy was asked to join, he basically said, as long as Rick joins, too, we're a team, kind of thing. Which worked out well, in that they got the concert set material worked out in quick fashion. So, in reality, Billy replaced Lindsey's voice, Rick Vito replaced Lindsey's guitar...that Billy played guitar was basically a bonus, but wasn't an essential factor in "replacing Lindsey". I just wish the whole "It took two guitar players to replace Lindsey" BS would just stop, because it ISN'T true. |
hm, how about, it took two musicians to replace Lindsey?;)
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ChiliD is correct of course, Billy Burnette was basically the male voice of Mac during that period and his playing was mainly rhythm(from what I have seen, anyway, since there has been pretty much a Fleetwood Mac blackout for the past 15 years in the UK!) and Vito took on the more serious guitar work. So two "men" rather than "guitarists" replaced Lindsey, sorry to "offend" anybody.
The point I was clumsily trying to get across was that to find a single guitarist with Lindsey's skills in terms of playing and, of course, to sing with such power at the same time would have been pretty difficult, impossible even, to find in such a short period of time. The job fell to two men. And so then Mac happened to have two guitarists as well which can't be a bad thing in the bargain. But, even with two men playing the axe they were never going to get "that" sound that Lindsey pulls off because their styles are so different. Vito and Burnette are very talented men but not "technically" in the same league as Lindsey. * Any Ledgie easily offended, don't read the next line!!!* :eek: It's irrelavent to me because in my opinion Knopfler is a better guitarist than any of them..... Full stop. :eek: |
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I don't think you meant this LITERALLY did you? You're not REALLY saying that you think due to Lindsey's unique playing technique that automatically makes him "technically SUPERIOR" to Rick Vito, or anyone else who uses a more traditional technique, for that matter, are you? :mad: :distress: Again, the comparison is like comparing apples to... ...nah, I'm tired of that one... ...like comparing sushi rolls to burritos. :] If his technique is the equivalent of two or more players at the same time, then how is having FIVE (count 'em: Liza, Janet, Steve, Neale, & Lindsey himself) guitarists on his own solo tour?? :o |
Not literally Mr.D no,
Did I say Superior? No I did not. :mad: Technically you can only rate Lindsey against men using the same or similar styles which I guess is why this Buckingham vs Knopfler thread started in the first place. If you read into the bit before the "technically" sentence, when I said their styles were different this is what I mean. Take God himself (no offense to anybody with religous beliefs reading), Eric Clapton uses a much more traditional style than Lindsey and he is just as amazing, sometimes more so. You can say he is in the same league as Vito, just as you could say Lindsey is in the same league as Knopfler, Merle Travis, Chet Atkins and other fingerpickers, and before you say it Chili, I know their styles vary as do their roots and musical backgrounds, this is simply about placing guitarists within their leagues, It is upto you to decide who is top of that league. As for Lindsey having five guitarists on tour with himself, that is pure indulgence! Chili, no reply to my last statement??? ;) ;) |
I agree 200% with madformac
Lindsey is clearly NOT in the same league, "technically" or otherwise, as Rick Vito.
Truer words were never spoken.:nod: |
Carole Ann
I personally prefer Lindsey's playing to Vito's and yes, I personally think he is better, that is my own opinion and I am entitled to it.
However, I really have not heard a great deal of Vito's work and Lindsey has spent the last 10 years sat in his garage improving his playing abilities instead of getting out on the road and performing. Who really knows? Give me ten years off work to practice and I might be as good as he is. Who really knows? In fact, Lindsey has spent ten years recording and rerecording his guitar work and overdubbing everything he has worked on in that period. Is he really as good as he was live five years ago? Only time will tell.... By the way, Carole Ann, you don't state which guitarist you prefer. Is it Vito??? |
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No Carole Ann, I am not yelling at you, I only asked which of them you prefer. Sorry if you read into the rest and thought I was provoking you. That lot is for the benefit of Mr.D :laugh:
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And I prefer The Lovely and Talented Mr. Vito. But that's just me...:p |
Yeah, yeah...Buckingham sits alone in some "Rain Room" with the same damned ideas he's had since he was 17, trying to pawn off on us (if we ever get to hear them, that is) in different formats, only due to the upgrades in recording technology do we think they're something....oooooh....BRAND NEW! He's been shoving the same riff from "Stephanie" down our throats for almost 30 years!! (first with "Eyes Of The World", then with "Bang The Drum"...what next?). He plays a variation on a theme of a guitar solo on "Frozen Love", "I'm So Afraid", "Tango In The Night", and now "Murrow"...what song is going to have that same damned solo in it on the new Mac album?? 1/2 his songs on "Out Of The Cradle" were reworkings of songs he used for "Tango In The Night" ZZZZzzzzzZZZZzzzz...
...I just don't see HOW anyone can grow, left to their own devices...music is to be shared...with an audience, with other musicians...playing music was intrensically invented to be a COMMUNAL activity, not a solitary activity. I know from personal experience, the times I grow as a musician and a guitar player is from the experience of playing with other musicians...the biggest ruts I get into are when I'm just playing guitar by myself. All that time alone in his studio, I think, has been detrimental to Lindsey's growth...sure HE may think he's grown because he's found a new way to present his old & moldy ideas onto a public that either isn't musical enough to KNOW that he's doing that, or just blindly reverent to think every note out of his guitar is being touched by something divine...like the debate I had a while back with a Ledgie over his song from the GoS stuff called "Twist Of Fate"...I'm not sure if that person was musical or not, but they couldn't hear that it's a direct offspring (as opposed to exact clone) of the ideas Lindsey used in "Second Hand News" (and was adamant about not hearing it), which seemed OBVIOUS to me (and quite a few others, as well) Vito, on the other hand, experiments with NEW ideas on a nightly basis being out on the ROAD 200+ dates a year with a variety of different artists, as well as his OWN shows. He has the fire of Stevie Ray Vaughan, the sensitivity of Peter Green, the blues background of John Lee Hooker, and the versatility of Eric Clapton. :blob2: :blob2: :blob2: :blob2: :blob2: |
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I would class Halle Berry as lovely :D ,talented as well. Liddy Buck and Vito are talented. But then this is from a male point of view. Any other comment could be misenterpreted! Ha! :laugh: |
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ChiliD!!!!
A bit on the cutting side but probably true, How many death threats are WE going to get??? The only way any artist grows musically is with interacting with other musicians, learning other styles, accepting different ideas and sometimes adapting to them. Only by gigging or sharing a studio with other like minded individuals can this be achieved. The Beatles anyone? To name just one instance. Lindsey, musically may have gone the way some people have gone with mental illness, without wishing to upset anybody close to someone mentally ill, It is known that if a person is in an enviroment on their own for too long, certain mental and emotional traits occur. People become withdrawn and cannot interact with others in a "normal" way. Has this happened musically with Lindsey? His version of Here Comes The Sun has made me wonder. Peter Green. Does anyone think that he could be where he is, mentally, today if he spent the last five years in a studio? I don't. Spending so much time on the road with Splinter Group has done wonders for him. It has healed him mentally to a point he would NEVER have got to if he was not on the road. His slide playing is at times amazing now, regardless of his mental state. :) |
At this point, I think the only thing that would get Lindsey out of his "cocoon" would be to join some sleazy classic rock cover band and play dive bars 5 nights a week for 15 years. Rattle his cage, make him relate to "the common man" for a while. :) Let HIM deal with all the cat calls for "Free Bird" & "Smoke On The Water" 100 times a night! HA! That'll show him!
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Hey, madformac and chiliD!
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Lindsey got out of his "cocoon" long enough to help out Tom Petty didn't he, looks like he's crawled back into it before anything remotely Mac based leaked out!
Maybe we could get an idea what Lindsey's gonna release with Fleetwood Mac by listening to Petty's new album, Lindsey's riffs on that won't be too dissimilar will they? Maybe Lindsey should spend some time with Eminem he seems to like what he's doing. Could inject some new life into Buck, maybe he would even bleach his hair! :laugh: :laugh: We all want some fresh work from Lindsey, not something as fresh as Dodo s$*t! Come on Mr.Buckingham, prove us wrong!:] :] |
One thing's for sure, Petty will release two or three albums before we see a new Fleetwood Mac album! :)
At least, with playing with "Mr. Canplayeverysongintheworld" Benmont Tench, Lindsey'll pick up a few things from working with them...as much as they'll learn a few things about record production from Lindsey. If "Walls (Circus)" from the "She's The One" soundtrack is any indication of how this collaboration will work out, I'm almost looking forward with more anticipation to Petty's new album than I am for Fleetwood Mac's. :nod: |
LINDSEY RULES!!
Well, I LOVE Lindsey, he amazes ME with his passionate guitar playing, and even INSPIRED ME to pick up the instrument. That's all I need to show ME that, in MY opinion, Lindsey is MY favorite guitarist. No one else I have heard so far has captured the essence I hear in Lindsey's playing. If he redoes the same old guitar "theme", then so be it, as long as I love it, I don't give a rat's patootie what anyone else thinks. Thank you and goodnight. :wavey:
BTW, I bolded all the me and I's to make a point, it's all about OPINION in my humble opinon. :laugh: We can argue who's better, faster, greater, but we love who we love and that's that. We have to respect each other's opinons! :nod: |
My "final thought"
well put wondergirl9847, everybody has a view.
Remember, opinions are like a"£holes, everybody has one. My "Jerry Springer" final thought tonight on this matter is that Lindsey is a musical genius, undisputable, but he does need to give us something new to say WOW! to, not release something recycled, he believes in cycles doesn't he (?). Many people view him as a true great, which he is. This thread was originally about Buckingham vs Knopfler. Mark Knopfler is a better guitarist than Lindsey, maybe THE best, you will have to listen to his live work to judge him. Lindsey is a better musician, with all the areas it entales than Mark is and I prefer to listen to his work than Knopfler's. We can chase our tails all day over this but it's 2:20am here and I'm going to bed. In the words of LB "That's enough for me" Sweet dreams. :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: |
...[silence after the gun shots]...Enter a third humble musician...Seteca...
[Edit to post: I started writing this over an hour ago, when the thread was only 2 pages long, I see now that it's 3, so this is in reply to all thoughts and posts posted in the first 2 pages. Also, I want to make it clear that everything written below is MY OPINION
- I enjoy and appreciate reading the opinions of all Ledgies, and love discussing and arguing points regarding FM and LB...it's the reason why I signed up to The Ledge in the first place.] Ok, before deaththreats start roaming around the place I just wanna get my say in on this aswell...:p On the subject of Billy Burnette and Rick Vito, I haven't heard anything even near enough of their music to have a fair opinion on them as guitarists, so I won't try to compare them to LB in any way. However, Lindsey Buckingham is somebody I can say a few things about. In my humble opinion, and as a member of that strange breed of humans known as "guitarists"......;) There's nothing that ChiliD or Madformac have written that I would massively disagree with, regarding the similarity factor in Lindsey's songs and guitar solos etc etc. [[[I too have noticed many many similarities in many of the guitar riffs and solos he puts in, in both studio and live songs, and also many general musical similarities in many of his songs. ChiliD made a pretty good list of these songs in a thread here on the LB forum not so long ago, but even then I remember that despite the large number of named songs, it wasn't complete...there were still some missing that I had noticed.]]] BUT Ok, so to a more musical (or musically minded) fan, LB's work on many occasions lacks originality....but....is that so bad (in fact, is it even a problem on any level), if it still sounds great...?? Which, IMO....it always does. I'll give an example.....I really like the original version of Big Love, in fact I'm probably one of the few people who likes it more than the live version, and you don't exactly have to be Mozart to notice the similarity between it and Doing What I Can from OOTC...but...I ALSO LOVE Doing What I Can......and I hate breaking songs down to its individual parts for analysis (because with any song I firmly believe the whole is always greater than the sum of the parts, as Lindsey would say!), but yes, musically, if I analysed why I like it, it would be for the same reasons as Big Love. However, I don't sit down and go "[3CPO Voice with R2D2 squeaking in the background]Hmm....yes...that guitar solo at the end gets 8 out of 10....the vocals aren't that great so they get 5 out of 10...but the bass and drums are killer...they get 9 out of 10....therefore....conclusion I give this song 8 out of 10....therefore by logic that means I like it!"..........!!!! What I'm trying to say is....if I hear something and I like it, then I like it. I don't try to figure out if it's worthy and original enough for me to like it. Yes, as a guitarist, I can clearly see that I'm So Afraid, Frozen Love, Tango In The Night and Murrow all share very similar (in many ways) guitar solos.....but.....just look at these four songs that I've just named.....these are (again, IMO, as with obviously everything I've written seeing as it has my screenname next to it!!) BRILLIANT songs.....it's songs like these which have caused me to sign up for boards like The Ledge and wait in massive frustration as to when I'm going to get something new from this incredibly talented man: Instead of looking at it negatively, and saying that 30 years ago Lindsey came up with a bunch of really good ideas and has simply continued using them and thought of nothing new since then by using ever-improving technology to "cover his tracks", I would say 30 years ago Lindsey came up with a bunch of really good ideas which would become one of the single most easily identifiable sounds in rock history - the sound of the Rumours-era Fleetwood Mac - that, to me, immediately makes him a musical genius. He then managed to maintain this sound for 30 years using ever-improving technology, which again is incredible- just because he's using technology, does not make him any less of a musical genius - if you give the world's best Cray computer to a baboon there's pretty much nothing the baboon is gonna do with it - it takes a lot to be able to use technology to immaculately keep your signature sound like that. Listen to Gold Dust Woman from the Rumours LP....it sounds like it's from the 70s.....all mysterious........then listen to Gold Dust Woman from the Dance CD, and it sounds totally modern (i.e. the average Dance-viewer I'm pretty sure did not tune in and say "Oh what is this 70s crap???") and yet it's managed to perfectly keep that 70s mysterious "druggy" sound about it - and how has he done that.....? If you want to break it down musically: using the same two chords but with lots of reverb and about a 440ms delay. If you want it simply, I would say: incredible talent. Lindsey has managed to perfectly preserve his sound and musical atmosphere for 30 years - a sound and feeling which has accumulated millions of fans. Yes, as a guitarist I can sit down and try to figure which scales and riffs and licks he's repeated where (and it's not too challenging if you choose to do that with Lindsey's songs but so what??), or just as somebody who isn't deaf I can notice the similarites (however obvious or subtle) between many of his songs......OR........I can sit down, relax and listen to music at its absolute finest: instead of getting to Doing What I Can and shouting "Oh come on!! Who're you trying to fool Lindsey!! Aggghhh!!!! :eek::p "...........I DO think "Yea!!! This song absolutely ROCKS!!!!!" When I listen to "I'm So Afraid" I don't think "AAAAAAAAGGGHHH!!...this solo....it's Frozen Love all over again!!!:confused: "......instead I pick up my guitar, plug it in and play the solo, and each and every time feel the absolutely awesome power of one his greatest songs. I don't think I'm being naive....I'm just a really big fan of the emotions and sense of the sound which he has kept through the years. Pure and simple. If the stuff he did in '73 was his only original work (which, by the way, I do not believe for even one second to be true), then I love it, and I'll have it every year till the day I die and if he makes more music using that same structure, chords, scales, riffs, licks, and most importantly, sound, then I'll have that too....a million times over. If it takes him 150 years "cocooned" in his studio to give me "Frozen Love Part 25" then I will happily (although impatiently!! ;) ) wait for him. :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: |
Seteca...
WOW, great job. :thumbsup: I agree, I really really LOVE chocolate ice cream, and OMG, I LOVE chocolate almond (tweaked chocolate ice cream) and OH YEAH, GIVE ME SOME Mint Chocolate Chip!!!!! I love them all, yes, they are basically, the same thing, just tweaked a bit, but GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY, they are all DELICIOUS!! :nod::thumbsup: But, as you said in your disclaimer, it's all about opinion. Some of us cats love Knopfler better, some of us love Lindsey, that's what makes the world go round...VARIETY! :D::cool:
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Wow
Thank God someone finally straightened us all out. We were inching distressingly close to an interesting give-and-take amongst our three resident musicians. Can't be havin' THAT!:rolleyes:
I wish mad, seteca and chili could've continued your exchanges; toe-ing the company line will keep you out of trouble, though, so a good, informative, INTERESTING (thanks, guys...finally!) thread has been brought to its knees by everyone agreeing to disagree. And just when it was getting good. :distress: |
Yeah, it's gotten a little too "politically correct" hasn't it.:rolleyes:
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Hmm...
You dominated a conversation and expressed all of your opinions with folks who didn't throw tantrums, and although disagreed with aspects of your opinion, respected it anyway. Yeah, that's a real hardship. I don't know how you can live with it. ;)
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Yeah, Les
I'm thinking "Trouble in Trying Times," maybe...
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