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JeremyGloff 11-12-2023 08:50 PM

What Has Rock And Roll Ever Done For You
 
And the first clips of the Dolly version of Stevie's old demo are coming out:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzjnT..._web_copy_link

I mean, this wasn't ever one of my favorite demos - I guess it was destined to find its home on Dolly Parton's rock album in 2023 :P

The track list and collaborations are rather interested - my interest is up.

Remember the interview where Stevie was knocking Fleetwood Mac for not using "What Has Rock And Roll" on Tango because they always like her slow songs. (She used a different word I can't recall...) LOL.

So who would swap out "What Has Rock And Roll Ever Done For You" for whassammatha baby?

vivfox 11-12-2023 10:04 PM

I 100% love it! They did a great job together.

Macfan4life 11-13-2023 05:25 AM

I can see why Lindsey passed this song up. Its the most arrogant song ever. It must have been written just after she put 5 lines up her nose and written during her peak cocaine addiction. Stevie does not usually write such arrogant songs.
I've heard the beginning of the song and both of them banter back and forth who is going to start and then Dolly says......Stand Back and then Stevie cackles.
I dont think the song fits Dolly but she's going overboard dressing up in leather with this rock album. I would have much preferred her to sing Bella Donna or I sing for the things or even Nothing Ever Changes.

UnwindedDreams 11-13-2023 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1289837)
I 100% love it! They did a great job together.

I love the singing. In the banter before they sing, Dolly sounds so sweet but Stevie's speak shouting sounds like a smoker!

I wonder how much Stevie got paid for the song and her participation.

Steviegirl 11-13-2023 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life;1289843[B
]I can see why Lindsey passed this song up. Its the most arrogant song ever. It must have been written just after she put 5 lines up her nose and written during her peak cocaine addiction. Stevie does not usually write such arrogant songs. [/B]
I've heard the beginning of the song and both of them banter back and forth who is going to start and then Dolly says......Stand Back and then Stevie cackles.
I dont think the song fits Dolly but she's going overboard dressing up in leather with this rock album. I would have much preferred her to sing Bella Donna or I sing for the things or even Nothing Ever Changes.

Lord. I agree. There is something cringey about this recording. I've always loved Dolly and used to adore $tevie pre-2018. I've heard the demo and never loved it, but I don't remember it being this weird and embarrassing. I was thinking about a song like "Garbo" and how pretty and elegant it is contrasted with yelling about being so rich you can swill champagne. Le sigh.

Macfan4life 11-13-2023 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Steviegirl (Post 1289848)
Lord. I agree. There is something cringey about this recording. I've always loved Dolly and used to adore $tevie pre-2018. I've heard the demo and never loved it, but I don't remember it being this weird and embarrassing. I was thinking about a song like "Garbo" and how pretty and elegant it is contrasted with yelling about being so rich you can swill champagne. Le sigh.

Answer the question!

bombaysaffires 11-13-2023 01:30 PM

Stevie post 1976 or so has ALWAYS been more about the fame than the art. ALWAYS.

I want to put a big chunk of blame on Henley. She's said he "taught me how to be a rock star". Aided and abetted likely by Irving et al. "You must demand the presidential suite" "You must demand a piano in your hotel room" "You can demand the room be painted pink" "You should demand your own limo, after all, you're the REAL star in the band" etc etc etc. She is inclined to love that sort of crap and put real value on it.... way more than the others, though I suspect Mick comes closest. I think they all fell into that for a while when Rumours and all hit, but they wised up and saw it for what it was after a few years. She still lives in it.

This song epitomizes it.

David 11-13-2023 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1289858)
She is inclined to love that sort of crap and put real value on it.... way more than the others, though I suspect Mick comes closest.

I agree with these insights. And I think this quality in her — which has affected (or infected) even her musical taste — is a lot of the cause for the dissension between her and Lindsey. (Not that he doesn’t enjoy the good life, but it consumes her and drags down so much of what she does as an artist these days.)

And this song, oy Gott. It is the most undistinguished, tuneless, hookless little horror you can imagine that ever came out of the posturing 80s. It’s totally undistinguished on every level. It’s worse than the band Ratt. What is it? Stevie with grit? With street smarts? Yeah, right. She’s about as believable as Olivia Newton John with attitude.

She and Dolly should have updated “Angel” or “Gold Dust Woman” into an edgy alternative rocker. I would even have settled for a new “Listen to the Rain.” At least that song isn’t anywhere near as dumb.

Villavic 11-13-2023 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1289858)
Stevie post 1976 or so has ALWAYS been more about the fame than the art. ALWAYS.

I want to put a big chunk of blame on Henley. She's said he "taught me how to be a rock star". Aided and abetted likely by Irving et al. "You must demand the presidential suite" "You must demand a piano in your hotel room" "You can demand the room be painted pink" "You should demand your own limo, after all, you're the REAL star in the band" etc etc etc.
.

Interesting. When did she say that? I mean, is there an article or video where she told that? Please share!

UnwindedDreams 11-13-2023 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1289862)
I agree with these insights. And I think this quality in her — which has affected (or infected) even her musical taste — is a lot of the cause for the dissension between her and Lindsey. (Not that he doesn’t enjoy the good life, but it consumes her and drags down so much of what she does as an artist these days.)

And this song, oy Gott. It is the most undistinguished, tuneless, hookless little horror you can imagine that ever came out of the posturing 80s. It’s totally undistinguished on every level. It’s worse than the band Ratt. What is it? Stevie with grit? With street smarts? Yeah, right. She’s about as believable as Olivia Newton John with attitude.

She and Dolly should have updated “Angel” or “Gold Dust Woman” into an edgy alternative rocker. I would even have settled for a new “Listen to the Rain.” At least that song isn’t anywhere near as dumb.

Reverend David… any song is better than one that just drops Phantom of the Opera as a lyric.

Villavic 11-13-2023 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1289864)
Reverend David… any song is better than one that just drops Phantom of the Opera as a lyric.

Please don't mess with Phantom of the Opera.

BigAl84 11-13-2023 03:39 PM

Well, I guess we have yet another addition to the garbage heap of duets she's done over the past 10 years...

We've got the Barbie, the bad duets...will there be a Stevie Nicks line of jewelry and clothing on QVC next year?

HomerMcvie 11-13-2023 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1289866)
Well, I guess we have yet another addition to the garbage heap of duets she's done over the past 10 years...

We've got the Barbie, the bad duets...will there be a Stevie Nicks line of jewelry and clothing on QVC next year?

$he went to the Mick Fleetwood "I'll Do Anything For a Buck" school. I'm surprised $he hasn't auctioned off her panties, like Mick did with Biddy's.:laugh:

Steviegirl 11-13-2023 04:02 PM

[QUOTE=[B] It’s worse than the band Ratt. [/B]

1. This is the funniest thing ever. :laugh:
B. It is true.
3. I'm going to start saying this about everything that is horrible. :laugh:

Macfan4life 11-13-2023 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1289864)
Reverend David… any song is better than one that just drops Phantom of the Opera as a lyric.

No
No
No
There's no beauty and the beast here

BLY 11-13-2023 05:59 PM

I was never a big fan of the demo of the song but I do like the clip of this duet. It sounds like they had a good time recording it. For two 70+ year olds….I will take it. I’m looking forward to getting the 2CD set next week.

Macfan4life 11-13-2023 07:49 PM

The song is so mid-80s with all its excesses. I can picture a music video of Stevie almost in the TV show Dynasty snorting coke every 5 minutes. Believe it or not I dont think the music track is that bad for a demo. I much prefer it to When I see you again. But that's not saying much. The most annoying part of the song is that annoying cat call that routinely makes an appearance in the song. It reminds me of that Mister Microphone commercial from the late 70s. "Hey good looking well be back to pick you up later"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIrzkPDtrk

vivfox 11-13-2023 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1289862)
She and Dolly should have updated “Angel” or “Gold Dust Woman” into an edgy alternative rocker. I would even have settled for a new “Listen to the Rain.” At least that song isn’t anywhere near as dumb.

This makes me so sad. I had myself convinced you were going to love this song David. I have the entire song and it is outstanding. I really love it. I have had the demo since the early 1990's and have always enjoyed it and this new version is wonderful. I love what they did with it. Now I have both versions of the songs to enjoy for the rest of my life.

UnwindedDreams 11-14-2023 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1289886)
This makes me so sad. I had myself convinced you were going to love this song David. I have the entire song and it is outstanding. I really love it. I have had the demo since the early 1990's and have always enjoyed it and this new version is wonderful. I love what they did with it. Now I have both versions of the songs to enjoy for the rest of my life.

How do you have the duet with Dolly if it doesn’t come out for four more days????

SteveMacD 11-14-2023 04:36 PM

I would have loved “After the Glitter Fades.”

Well I never thought I’d make here to Dollywood…

HomerMcvie 11-14-2023 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1289899)
I would have loved “After the Glitter Fades.”

Well I never thought I’d make here to Dollywood…

I almost spit out my beer on that one!

BLY 11-14-2023 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1289901)
I almost spit out my beer on that one!

Yes, that was a good one!

HomerMcvie 11-14-2023 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BLY (Post 1289902)
Yes, that was a good one!

I agree. That beer was tasty!

UnwindedDreams 11-15-2023 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1289901)
I almost spit out my beer on that one!

In H/Dollywood not To H/Dollywood!

I can't believe someone has this new song in their possession before the release date... Internet Piracy!

Are you getting Dolly's album? A lot of talent on it: other than $. Nicks

SteveMacD 11-15-2023 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1289908)
In H/Dollywood not To H/Dollywood

Wouldn’t make sense for Dolly to say she never thought she’d make it IN a theme park she owns. However, it makes total sense for her to be in awe that her career got to the point where she owns a theme park.

UnwindedDreams 11-15-2023 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1289913)
Wouldn’t make sense for Dolly to say she never thought she’d make it IN a theme park she owns. However, it makes total sense for her to be in awe that her career got to the point where she owns a theme park.

I got you. I had Stevie singing the first verse. Of course it’s all joking but I’d hate if Stevie made Glitter Fades into a song that mentions Dollywood! Just like dropping Phantom of the Opera as a lyric in Listen To the Rain!

gjack5404 11-15-2023 01:43 PM

Found Rockstar at dollar general
 
Of all places, I found and got copy of Rockstar at
Dollar General! I was shocked, I am personally digging
their duet!

gjack5404 11-15-2023 01:53 PM

a few photo from Rockstar
 
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Here are a few photos from Rockstar. Nothing else inside that includes Stevie.

UnwindedDreams 11-15-2023 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gjack5404 (Post 1289922)
Of all places, I found and got copy of Rockstar at
Dollar General! I was shocked, I am personally digging
their duet!

Well bless Florida! How the heck did a Dollar General get that album! Enjoy it!

Tusky 11-15-2023 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1289899)
I would have loved “After the Glitter Fades.”

Well I never thought I’d make here to Dollywood…

Yes she wrote it with Dolly in mind too
https://stevienicks.info/music/stevi...glitter-fades/

HomerMcvie 11-15-2023 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1289930)
Well bless Florida! How the heck did a Dollar General get that album! Enjoy it!

Dollar General headquarters are based in Nashville. Maybe that's part of it?

bombaysaffires 11-15-2023 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gjack5404 (Post 1289923)
Here are a few photos from Rockstar. Nothing else inside that includes Stevie.

good lawd those lyrics look ten times even more insipid printed out....

those are egotistical, or as she put it "conceited", drugged up fame whore Stevie lyrics....not "poet" Stevie....:distress:

UnwindedDreams 11-16-2023 06:26 AM

I wished I lived in Florida so I could get this darn song! Everybody's getting it early! I like the sound

David 11-16-2023 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1289886)
This makes me so sad. I had myself convinced you were going to love this song David.

I’ll probably learn to “love” it the more I hear it. I have yet to hear the entire track. I have to wait until it gets to Spotify.

UnwindedDreams 11-16-2023 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1289970)
I’ll probably learn to “love” it the more I hear it. I have yet to hear the entire track. I have to wait until it gets to Spotify.

It’ll likely be on YouTube at 9pm Pacific tonight. Sweet Girl would have been a good duet with Dolly but I think it was surprising that Stevie gave Dolly a demo.

SteveMacD 11-17-2023 01:59 AM

Hooo boy.

Heard this at Waffle House.

Hooo boy.

That was…something.

jmn3 11-17-2023 05:53 AM

Just listened on Spotify. I dunno, it’s corny enough to work for this type of album from Dolly. It isn’t the worst thing I’ve ever heard but I’m not sure I’d ever put this on a playlist for any reason at all. It still sounds like a demo in that the lyrics seem like they’re waiting to be finished. The chorus just…”what has rock and roll ever done for you…….you too!” Like, this is the best you could come up with?

At least Stevie not only got a “welll” in but it’s a “well well!”

sue 11-17-2023 07:54 AM

I don’t dislike it…two old girls ripping it up…..sort of.
I think the lyrics are funny, tongue in cheek.
And I wish Stevie would get her adenoids seen to or at least blow her nose.

JeremyGloff 11-17-2023 08:48 AM

Just listened and damn I love it the same way I love Stevie's two foot high hair in the Red Rocks video. I can't remember the last time we got a campy Stevie like this that was enjoyable.

Never one of my favorite demos - but if there was ever a place it should have landed it was on this Dolly album. It works for me because they approached it from a camp angle - singing this one straight never could work.

The way Stevie says "everything" is that same dead pan 80s Red Rocks "you fill the room with the wind the rain and the water". I'm not sure Stevie had the self-awareness to know when she was being camp in the 80s but I think some of that excess and ridiculousness from 85/86 hooked me in as much as some of the great songwriting from 1981.

Not sure I'll play the Stevie/Dolly duet a million times but my verdict is - I'm glad this little song found its home in the pink rhinestone studded walls of a campy Dolly Parton rock album. I'm here for it!

BigAl84 11-17-2023 09:32 AM

Well...it's probably the best studio vocal she's done in I don't even know how long. A very long time.

But the rest is barf city.


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