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Villavic 10-16-2023 08:55 AM

Favorite and leas favorite videos
 
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What is the video clip you like the most? Let's include solo videos if you want.

My favorite video, surely not surprise, is Gypsy. Probably the best produced Fleetwood Mac video clip. By the way, the scene I attached is related to th 1929 Great Depression, isn't it? Was that scene part of the video production, or was it taken from an old film, or documentary? (I think I have seen that scene in other video).

And my least favorite, actually the one I definitely don't like is Paper Doll. Though it makes sense they included shots from oldest videos, cause it's a box set song, I would have liked a better production.

And though it's one of the most beautiful Fleetwood Mac song, the Everywhere video is not a favorite of mine either (in spite of the beautiful locations). The story doesn't fit with the lyrics. It would have been far better if the band made a parallel appearance, ala As Long as You Follow. And that car at the end??? Did The Highwayman included it? Actually it reminds me Shyamalan's The Village.

SteveMacD 10-16-2023 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1289022)
And though it's one of the most beautiful Fleetwood Mac song, the Everywhere video is not a favorite of mine either (in spite of the beautiful locations). The story doesn't fit with the lyrics. It would have been far better if the band made a parallel appearance, ala As Long as You Follow. And that car at the end??? Did The Highwayman included it? Actually it reminds me Shyamalan's The Village.

There is a version of the original video that features the Brits.

https://vimeo.com/296480202

Villavic 10-16-2023 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1289023)
There is a version of the original video that features the Brits.

https://vimeo.com/296480202

Interesting. And it is not in their official YouTube Channel. Why it does not surprise me?

FuzzyPlum 10-16-2023 12:18 PM

For me it’s a toss up between gypsy and Hold Me. I think Hold Me might just edge it.
Hold Me
Gypsy
Big Love
Little Lies
As Long As You Follow
Everywhere (people dislike it but I really like it. And I think the song does match the sentiment of The Highwayman)
Love Shines (maybe could even be higher)
Seven Wonders
Tusk
Save Me

Haven’t really considered solo….but I’d put a shout in for The Zoo’s Angel Come Home

bwboy 10-16-2023 12:59 PM

I loved Big Love when it first came out, but now it’s horribly dated. Stevie’s hair, the cheesy effects like Lindsey floating through the Twilight Zone, and the ending with those silly grunts. The record company must have spent thousands of dollars alone just on that nighttime beach scene, which got maybe 5 seconds of airtime!

Gypsy, with the production values of a movie, is probably their best video. The fashions, the details, all those extras dancing in the rain, that painting at the end. It’s stunning.

I like Save Me and As Long As You Follow, mostly because of Christine and Rick, who kept my interest. Christine looked more beautiful during this period than she did in 1982 or 1984! Skies the Limit and Seven Wonders are decent performance videos, with Stevie’s outfits probably being the most memorable things about them. Lindsey looks incredibly happy during SW. Love Shines is boring- not musically but visually. Without Stevie or Lindsey to make it interesting, there’s nothing to keep our eye. All the band does is pretend to perform the song while constantly hugging each other… probably because they didn’t know what else to do.

I don’t even rank Everywhere, Paper Doll, or In the Back of My Mind.

Tusk is ok. The most interesting thing about it is the cardboard cut out of John, who refused to show up because he was mad at Lindsey. I wonder whose idea it was to get the cut out? Maybe they thought we wouldn’t notice LOL.

Little Lies is my favorite FM video. They all look fantastic, the different combinations of band members is cool (Christine and Lindsey, John and Stevie), and the illustrations coming to life are well done.

Trouble is my favorite solo video. Visually unique. Stand Back is enjoyable, mostly because I marvel at how Stevie was able to walk on a treadmill backwards while wearing platform heels and a dress that could easily have gotten stuck in the machinery! Love Will Show Us How is entertaining, but it’s too long and Christine was clearly not an actress. Talk to Me has an interesting premise, unlike most of her other videos and she looks really good in it.

aleuzzi 10-16-2023 01:10 PM

Favorite: Gypsy--then Hold Me, then Love Shines

Least Favorite: Skies the Limit

Macfan4life 10-16-2023 01:16 PM

I dont count Paper Doll and Everywhere as real videos. There is so much cut and paste from earlier videos. Isn't Lindsey appearing in the Paper Doll video?

Gypsy blows the lid off by even today's standards. It goes through so many phases and features everyone in the band nicely. Hold Me is really good too.

Gypsy
Hold Me
Little Lies
As Long As You Follow
Save Me
Skies The Limit
Seven Wonders
Tusk
Big Love

Favorite Solo: Rooms On Fire, Love Will Show Us How, Wrong

BTW bwboy, I agree. The best part of the Big Love video is the beach scene and its only 3 seconds. Now I disagree with you that Talk To Me is a good video. It stinks. Stevie shot from such a distance for most part of the video tells you everything you need to know. Those horrible cheesy dances. Even I could choreograph a better dance. And her brother pretending to play saxophone on the wall is a cheap ploy to get him in a video. Waste of an effort. Stevie filmed close ups one day. The next day she was a mess and you can almost hear them say "we need to do something to finish this video"

jbrownsjr 10-16-2023 01:18 PM

Hold Me
As Long As You Follow
Sara live
Love Shines
Little Lies
Seven Wonders
Gypsy
Big Love
Skies/Save Me (tie)
Tusk
Everywhere (horrible representation)
Paperdoll

Villavic 10-16-2023 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289032)
Isn't Lindsey appearing in the Paper Doll video?

Yes he appears briefly, cuts from Tango videos I guess. At first I thought What is he doing here (thinking it was a post rumours song)? But then I read he collaborated with backing vocals, additional guitar, according to Wikipedia.

bwboy 10-16-2023 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1289033)
Hold Me
As Long As You Follow
Sara live
Love Shines
Little Lies
Seven Wonders
Gypsy
Big Love
Skies/Save Me (tie)
Tusk
Everywhere (horrible representation)
Paperdoll

C’mon jbrownsjr! Tell us what you like about your favorites and what you don’t like about your non-favorites. Plus you didn’t mention any solo videos.

BLY 10-16-2023 02:30 PM

My Top 10 Videos
 
1.Gypsy
2.Hold Me
3.Little Lies
4.Seven Wonders
5.Tusk
6.As Long As You Follow
7.Big Love
8.Skies the Limit
9.Love Shines
10.Save Me

bwboy 10-16-2023 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289032)
BTW bwboy, I agree. The best part of the Big Love video is the beach scene and its only 3 seconds. Now I disagree with you that Talk To Me is a good video. It stinks. Stevie shot from such a distance for most part of the video tells you everything you need to know. Those horrible cheesy dances. Even I could choreograph a better dance. And her brother pretending to play saxophone on the wall is a cheap ploy to get him in a video. Waste of an effort. Stevie filmed close ups one day. The next day she was a mess and you can almost hear them say "we need to do something to finish this video"

First you hate the song, now you hate the video, too? LOL well, I mentioned this before, but in an interview in USA Today, Stevie said she told the director she wanted three things in her RAL videos; far away shots, closeups, and shots of her playing the tambourine. Seems like weird requests but that’s what she said. She also mentioned having some sort of nasal surgery, too.

I think the close ups of her look really great. She’s wearing colorful dresses and her hairstyles are (mostly) flattering. And I like the way the pictures on the wall are the backgrounds for her when she’s singing.

But I can’t argue about the sax playing or the dancing. That’s actually pretty amusing, I think.

FuzzyPlum 10-16-2023 02:38 PM

No love for Oh Dianne video :shrug:
Ha….it’s so bad I kinda like it.
If you can even call it a ‘video’

BLY 10-16-2023 02:47 PM

Top 10 Solo Videos
 
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1.Gypsy
2.Hold Me
3.Little Lies
4.Seven Wonders
5.Tusk
6.As Long As You Follow
7.Big Love
8.Skies the Limit
9.Love Shines
10.Save Me


1.Slow Dancing
2.Rooms on Fire
3.If Anyone Falls
4.If You Ever Did Believe
5.Go Insane
6.Talk to Me
7.Got A Hold on Me
8.Sorcerer
9.Trouble
10.Stand Back

SteveMacD 10-16-2023 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289032)
I dont count Paper Doll and Everywhere as real videos. There is so much cut and paste from earlier videos. Isn't Lindsey appearing in the Paper Doll video?

I think Lindsey completely redid the music to “Paper Doll.” It was written for the GH album, but Mick didn’t like it.

Fleetwood Mac was working with Greg Ladanyi with the BTM lineup, but PD’s production is credited to Richard Dashut, which suggests to me they scrapped everything but the vocals. Even the organ doesn’t mesh with their 88-90 sound.

Macfan4life 10-16-2023 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1289037)
First you hate the song, now you hate the video, too? LOL well, I mentioned this before, but in an interview in USA Today, Stevie said she told the director she wanted three things in her RAL videos; far away shots, closeups, and shots of her playing the tambourine. Seems like weird requests but that’s what she said. She also mentioned having some sort of nasal surgery, too.

I think the close ups of her look really great. She’s wearing colorful dresses and her hairstyles are (mostly) flattering. And I like the way the pictures on the wall are the backgrounds for her when she’s singing.

But I can’t argue about the sax playing or the dancing. That’s actually pretty amusing, I think.

Yes but you are quoting Stevie when she was not well. I think there is a two seconds of a tambourine in I Cant Wait. Her close ups in I Cant Wait were ridiculous with all those fans blowing on her. I also think that is the only video where she looks high. She says on the recap of the video why she could not have stayed off the drugs and tequila for 3 days before the shoot. She was such a mess. Look what a mess she was in Austalia partying and promoting I Cant Wait for MTV Australia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCrBNt-bjRs

I think there is too much ballet dancing in In Anyone Falls. But I love the ending with Stevie in the movie theater and she walking into the theater. I dont know why but that was a cool yet simple effect. What I meant by Lindsey being in Paper Doll is that they put his Seven Wonders footage in the video which was weird IMHO. So they were giving him a tribute?

jbrownsjr 10-16-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1289035)
C’mon jbrownsjr! Tell us what you like about your favorites and what you don’t like about your non-favorites. Plus you didn’t mention any solo videos.

Hold Me (vivid wonderful love the sand dunes)
As Long As You Follow (pure perfection and holds today as a gem)
Love Will Show Us How (just so hilarious and counters Got A Hold on Me)
Sara live ( Love the performance)
Love Shines ( This is so happy, and the song is superb.)
Don't Look Down (Beautiful song and guitar, reminds me of death in a beautiful way)
Little Lies (Love the farm, Christine taking lead, and how everyone looks)
Got A Hold On Me (Pure performance, love the backdrops)
Stand Back (Kept waiting to see Prince {truly}
Go Insane (It's so weird it's good)
Wrong (It's fine)
Seven Wonders (This video bring me joy)
I Want You Back (I strangely love this video's story. Love Mick's acting)
Soul Drifter (Love the shots, and a fall setting. He looks fabu!)
Slow Dancing (Typical Lindsey, reminds me of Big Love)
SDMHA (not crazy about the song, but solid video)
I Can't Wait (This one is at least funny with the Mick Dance)
Gypsy (Over rated in hype like stevie)
Big Love (Loved it when it came out, but it comes up short)
If Anyone Falls (ehhhh)
Rooms On Fire (same ole same ole)
Skies/Save Me (tie) (ehhhhh x 2) Christine looks amazing
Talk To Me (Beginning of the End)
Tusk (ehhhh)
Trouble (What the hell?)
Everywhere (horrible representation)
Oh Diane (Just stop it!!)
Paperdoll (Please God make it stop)

Macfan4life 10-16-2023 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1289046)
Hold Me (vivid wonderful love the sand dunes)
As Long As You Follow (pure perfection and holds today as a gem)
Love Will Show Us How (just so hilarious and counters Got A Hold on Me)
Sara live ( Love the performance)
Love Shines ( This is so happy, and the song is superb.)
Don't Look Down (Beautiful song and guitar, reminds me of death in a beautiful way)
Little Lies (Love the farm, Christine taking lead, and how everyone looks)
Got A Hold On Me (Pure performance, love the backdrops)
Stand Back (Kept waiting to see Prince {truly}
Go Insane (It's so weird it's good)
Wrong (It's fine)
Seven Wonders (This video bring me joy)
I Want You Back (I strangely love this video's story. Love Mick's acting)
Soul Drifter (Love the shots, and a fall setting. He looks fabu!)
Slow Dancing (Typical Lindsey, reminds me of Big Love)
SDMHA (not crazy about the song, but solid video)
I Can't Wait (This one is at least funny with the Mick Dance)
Gypsy (Over rated in hype like stevie)
Big Love (Loved it when it came out, but it comes up short)
If Anyone Falls (ehhhh)
Rooms On Fire (same ole same ole)
Skies/Save Me (tie) (ehhhhh x 2) Christine looks amazing
Talk To Me (Beginning of the End)
Tusk (ehhhh)
Trouble (What the hell?)
Everywhere (horrible representation)
Oh Diane (Just stop it!!)
Paperdoll (Please God make it stop)

You forgot Sometimes Its A Bitch
:)
Sometimes its roses
Sometimes its weeds

jbrownsjr 10-16-2023 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289050)
You forgot Sometimes Its A Bitch
:)
Sometimes its roses
Sometimes its weeds

I always think of you when I hear that song. :lol: :wavey::wavey:

David 10-16-2023 04:24 PM

My favorite vid is “Dragonfly” on the Beat-Club. It isn’t that the green screen or the videographic effects are great but that the whole thing just goes right to my mind and my heart. In 2023, it feels lifetimes past. Makes me think of everything that was and everything that might have been — and all the people gone (three in the video are dead). The video effect makes them look like apparitions in one’s memory, and the camera pan just feels so nebulous, like life. You want to reach out to each of them and grab them and hold them still for a second, but they elude any attempt to fix them for even a few seconds to get your fill.

The other vids I like — including “If You Ever Did Believe” and “Little Lies” — don’t have much to recommend them as classics, but they’re OK to rewatch every five years.

Macfan4life 10-16-2023 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1289051)
I always think of you when I hear that song. :lol: :wavey::wavey:

We can only hope there was a video for Two Kinds Of Love that was never shown :lol:
Apparently there was a video for Unconditional Love when it was slated for the first single off Street Cardboard but rumour has it she destroyed it in a fit of rage when Walgreens lost her klonopin prescription.

jbrownsjr 10-16-2023 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289055)
We can only hope there was a video for Two Kinds Of Love that was never shown :lol:
Apparently there was a video for Unconditional Love when it was slated for the first single off Street Cardboard but rumour has it she destroyed it in a fit of rage when Walgreens lost her klonopin prescription.

Is there a alt version of Stand Back floating out there?

DownOnRodeo 10-16-2023 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1289052)
“If You Ever Did Believe”

An excellent selection, sir.


It's not a music video per se since the song wasn't a single, but you gotta love "Angel" from the Tusk documentary.


It's hard to choose an actual music video featuring Lindsey since he is surely one of the absolute worst video lip synchers of all time.

DownOnRodeo 10-16-2023 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1289022)
the Everywhere video is not a favorite of mine either
(...) And that car at the end??? (...) it reminds me Shyamalan's The Village.

:laugh::laugh: In that case perhaps M Night Shyamalan makes an appearence in the Everywhere video, seeing as he inserts himself in his films.

https://i.ibb.co/Btd8L7P/Screenshot-...-17-103857.png

Macfan4life 10-17-2023 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo (Post 1289065)
An excellent selection, sir.


It's not a music video per se since the song wasn't a single, but you gotta love "Angel" from the Tusk documentary.


It's hard to choose an actual music video featuring Lindsey since he is surely one of the absolute worst video lip synchers of all time.

Yeah but Piggy through the keyhole and Piggy In The Middle gets me everytime.
Wrong is all about his blowout with the band at Chris's house and how Mick got it WRONG.
I think the video is brilliant. The guy playing piggy in the middle playing aka Mick should have won an award or something :lol:

bwboy 10-17-2023 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289055)
We can only hope there was a video for Two Kinds Of Love that was never shown :lol:
Apparently there was a video for Unconditional Love when it was slated for the first single off Street Cardboard but rumour has it she destroyed it in a fit of rage when Walgreens lost her klonopin prescription.

Ugh- Walgreens is the worst LOL!

I am surprised there wasn’t a video for Two Kinds of Love, I mean it was publicized as Stevie’s next Leather and Lace and the record company had to know it was going to be a single. Who knows, a video might have helped the single chart.

The Unconditional Love video would be interesting to see. I wonder if it was filmed but never actually put together for a final product, once they realized it wasn’t going to be a single?

I forgot about Sometimes It’s a Bitch. That is kind of a sad video. It’s interesting Stevie chose to use the same set on her Talk to Me video for the scenes where she’s by herself, complete with the same pictures on the wall, if I remember correctly.

jbrownsjr 10-17-2023 09:28 AM

I've cried a river of tears from the pain of Sometimes It's a Bitch.

Macfan4life 10-17-2023 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1289075)
I've cried a river of tears from the pain of Sometimes It's a Bitch.

Sometimes its a breeze

jbrownsjr 10-17-2023 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289076)
Sometimes its a breeze

God, what a horrible song.

Macfan4life 10-17-2023 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1289078)
God, what a horrible song.

Its not what's in the mirror but what's left inside
Sometimes it's pickles and kethcup and sometimes its cheese

jbrownsjr 10-17-2023 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289081)
Its not what's in the mirror but what's left inside
Sometimes it's pickles and kethcup and sometimes its cheese

Did she even reach Billboard 200 with Sometimes...?

bwboy 10-17-2023 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1289082)
Did she even reach Billboard 200 with Sometimes...?

According to Wikipedia, the song reached #56 on Billboard singles chart and the top 20 in Canada and Australia.

bwboy 10-17-2023 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289081)
Its not what's in the mirror but what's left inside
Sometimes it's pickles and kethcup and sometimes its cheese

I love hearing about these alternate takes :laugh:

SteveMacD 10-17-2023 03:38 PM

FWIW, she said she didn’t want to record it or release a compilation, but the label pushed it on her.

Macfan4life 10-17-2023 04:33 PM

I am in the minority but I live the Timespace Stevie. She was a rocker vixen bashing Mick at every turn and her band was incredible. Les blew the roof off. Granted the explosions during Edge of 17 were a little much but it was a rocking Stevie for sure. I also love Sometimes Its A Bitch and Love's a Hard Game To Play. Unfortunately those rocker's time had passed. Poison and Bon Jovi were huge in 1989. If you could put both those songs on OSOTM they would have been huge. Unfortunately the BTM tour got really delayed with Christine's father's passing and Mick kept extending dates which delayed the Timespace project. Sadly her album and Desert Angel came out AFTER the Gulf War. She toured before the album's release which hurt promotion. It was a very mixed up time and it was right before the lights went out completely. Her record company sort of forced this greatest hits package and to work with rockers who were not that trendy anymore. Bon Jovi resurrected Cher's music career in the late 80s.

Villavic 10-17-2023 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289086)
I also love Sometimes Its A Bitch .

It's not in the list of songs I love, but I do like SIAB. I listen to it from time to time while playing my Stevie playlist. I did exclude I can't wait from that playlist. I just don't like it.

By the way, this line is perfect for a «Weird Al» Yankovic video:

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289081)
Sometimes it's pickles and kethcup and sometimes its cheese


jbrownsjr 10-17-2023 07:03 PM

Why did you delete the screenshot? I loved it! :lol:

bwboy 10-17-2023 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1289086)
I am in the minority but I live the Timespace Stevie. She was a rocker vixen bashing Mick at every turn and her band was incredible. Les blew the roof off. Granted the explosions during Edge of 17 were a little much but it was a rocking Stevie for sure. I also love Sometimes Its A Bitch and Love's a Hard Game To Play. Unfortunately those rocker's time had passed. Poison and Bon Jovi were huge in 1989. If you could put both those songs on OSOTM they would have been huge. Unfortunately the BTM tour got really delayed with Christine's father's passing and Mick kept extending dates which delayed the Timespace project. Sadly her album and Desert Angel came out AFTER the Gulf War. She toured before the album's release which hurt promotion. It was a very mixed up time and it was right before the lights went out completely. Her record company sort of forced this greatest hits package and to work with rockers who were not that trendy anymore. Bon Jovi resurrected Cher's music career in the late 80s.

I agree, I think Sometimes is an underrated song and if it had come out a year earlier or a few years later, it would have been a hit. I also think Bon Jovi and Falcon did a great job writing the song from Stevie’s POV-in fact, the song might have hit too close to home for her. TimeSpace was also packaged well, and is a superior greatest hits package, certainly more comprehensive than any of her other collections, except for Enchanted.

WalkAThinLine. 10-17-2023 07:56 PM

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Why did you delete the screenshot? I loved it! :lol:

Fine, I will restore it. This is a wonderful screenshot from "I Want You Back"

Macfan4life 10-18-2023 08:07 AM

I saw both OSOTM and Whole Lotta Trouble Tour (Timespace) and I enjoyed the 1991 tour so much better. Even though she was deeper into her tranquilized self, her rocking band seemed to have picked up her energy level. Plus to finally get If Anyone Falls back into the setlist was wonderful. Also the first solo tour to play Lanslide. The only klonopin era song that was better than some other tours was Rhiannon. An electric version of Landslide was pretty cool too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqq2pBuoW_o&t=2981s


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