Technical difficulties or is this the new "Dreams"
 

Has Waddy decided Dreams doesn't need a lead guitar part anymore? You can barely hear Carlos playing the more delicate parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GASSFAQpMcw&t=417s

I hear it from the other guy(not Waddy, IDK the other guy's name).

Carlos does sound low, but his solo was high.

What is really opening my eyes is that "you know what you LOSSSST":shocked:

Why not hit the "what you HA-AD"

The more I listen to these live videos from the tour on YouTube, the more I'm convinced that 50% of what I'm hearing is pre-recorded tracks. Obviously, Stevie's vocals are 100% live, but it's like karaoke with the musicians adding some light subtle innuendos on top of the karaoke tracks. The background vocals all seem pre-recorded, as they are on karaoke tracks.

This whole tour is a head scratcher. She does great vocally in some areas and then barely attempts other areas.

It’s like the 2010 Tour; live debut of a song, a few covers, and then stuff that the big fans have seen plenty of times live. What’s unfortunate is the set list is so similar to last year’s?

she doesn't hit the high note on "it's only RIIIGHT" and then she realllllly gets pitchy on "that you should play it the way you feel it"

:eek:

that does not sound like pre-recorded to me, because why in the hail would you use THAT take? Yikes.

I've also noticed on this tour she has the sound guy applying a lot of reverb effects to her vocals on specific songs at a specific time.

Oh that line was a bit rough. Her phrasing on Dreams is really weird here. The whole song really. She’s going for it in weird places and others where I expect it she’s staying low. I don’t pay too much attention to Dreams but if this is how she does it today… 👌

Not that Stevie listens to me, but do that damn thing acoustic like the 2001 AHI Gypsy. Couple of guitars and a couple of singers. AND SPEED IT UP.

She should listen to you David - that AHI Gypsy was the best thing she has done in years and it’s a shame the only video of it looks like it was recorded during the Blitz.

Absolutely! The AHI style Gypsy would be fresh again and perhaps better fit her current voice.

Since Stevie's had three weeks off, anyone think she'll modify the set on Friday?

How about this?
1. Outside the Rain
2. Dreams
3. If Anyone Falls
4. Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
5. Ghosts Are Gone
6. Think About It
7. Wild Heart
8. Bella Donna
9. No Spoken Word
10. Gypsy
11. Stand Back
12. Sara
13.Gold Dust Woman
14. Edge of Seventeen
15. Rhiannon
16. Landslide

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Think About It is in there for you!

Most likely she'll cut another song from the set and cut another verse out of Edge of 17, so it clocks in at 2:50. She'll add the full 15 minute story before Gypsy.

I’m really surprised the Wild Heart/Bella Donna mashup continued past the 2016 Tour. That has become, for the Cher fans here, the Half Breed/Gypsys, Tramps, and Thieves/Dark Lady medley that Cher has been doing for decades.

I believe she’ll do 16 songs Friday including Sara and that will be the draw for fans to see her with Billy, but it won’t be in her solo shows.

I can see that, but I think she's also trying to find places to put some lower notes in places where she usually goes high because she's trying to not overdo it. I mean, she's getting older I guess she has to be more protective about stuff like that?

Have you ever noticed sometimes when she tries new notes it's like her rhythm is kinda off and it sounds shaky like she's not feeling confident about how she sung a particular line. I think she's trying but she hasn't like solidified it into a place that sounds okay and then becomes a part of her routine. I think when you hear notes go kinda warbly like that, it's just her getting nervous or having some kind of weird tick about it.

She did mention something during the pandemic of her Epstein Barr virus making a resurface which can make you tired and all that, coupled with her age I think she's looking a little less lackluster vocal performance wise than she has since 2019. Maybe the pandemic era of not singing all that much for 2-3 years weakened her ability so belt out like she used to.

There's a lot of things at play here, and to me it seems like she's kinda fighting to get that energy back, but in some instances I think she's just kinda thinking it is what it is until she can't sing anymore.

Case and point, when she did the Jazz Fest touring again, she did not sound that good on that show. You could tell her breath was like short or something.

I like this!

I'd love her to do No Spoken Word, but I fear that she will just register low notes throughout the whole thing and barely squeak out a high note. Then she'll drop it off her set after like 3 times.

Thank you. I thought it was a fair set list to ticket buyers.
Drop in a Rock a Little song that’s not Sing for the Things and which people may know because it was on Red Rocks, and I have to face it that there is no chance she’ll ever sing I Can’t Wait live again.
Give Bella Donna love by doing more than just 3 minutes of the title song. And give the crowd a more recent rocker rather than FFG, but also because I’ve heard FFG live about 30 times LOL
Now if I didn’t gaf about the patrons who are just coming to hear radio songs, I’d throw in Angel after Ghosts Are Gone as an epic entry into another ghost through the fog song and then have her do Leather and Lace to throw the crowd a bone, and follow that with Think About It

In Philadelphia last night Stevie sang I Sing For the Things but she didn't sing Sara; I don't get that. Wouldn't 60,000 people rather hear Sara than a ballad?

Kudos to her for choosing the obscure over the hit song. Maybe Sara was too long to do...I think this tour's versions were 8 minutes.

I wish she'd drop the covers and do her own great songs like Nothing Ever Changes, Blue Lamp, Nightbird, Juliet, or Rock A Little (Go Ahead Lily)

Yeah it makes no sense especially for a mixed crowd in a stadium. Sara would make more sense. I don’t understand I Sing for the Things’ place in the set. The second last song in the main set is a strange place for an obscure tune. But she’s weird so whatever.

Right after Gold Dust Woman I think too which I think she wants to be the highlight of the show.

Jmn, do you think Sara has any chance of coming back into the set? Seems unlikely to me since she hasn’t done it for 3 shows but I guess we’ll know next week in Toronto.

One day I hope she’ll do the show she promised where she touches every album

To me it would make total sense to put an extremely well known and popular song like Sara into the setlist when you’re playing in a show as a co head liner with Billy Joel and the audience isn’t all yours. That she has dropped it would make me think it’s unlikely to return. Nobody in the FM universe is known for having too much evolution in their sets once they’re established during a tour.

True, and when Stevie dropped Annabel Lee on 24KG, it didn’t return. IIRC Bombay was dropped and didn’t return on TISL. Maybe she’ll drop Sing for the Things and do Sara which will be the surprise of the shows next week:lol:

Drop Gold dust woman and do Angel…
Drop anything and do Angel.

Sue, you are a King. I would pee myself to hear Angel live. Though Stevie’s current drummer is really not suited for her band. My favorites were Jimmy Paxson, Mark Schulman, and Scott Crago.
The current guy plays, to my ears, like high school battle of the bands

And you know, I think she could still do the song justice.
There are no high bits, it sounds better when slower and she could dance to it……(well maybe not the last bit)
But I would just love to hear Angel.
Before she hangs up her microphone ribbons for good.

I had the same thought, the guy just bashes through everything like it’s an AC/DC song.

Give me Rick or Jerry Marotta. Rick was probably the only highlight of the RAL tour. His brother Jerry pumped such life into many songs on OSOTM: Long Way To Go, Ghosts, Oooh My Love, Fire Burning, and Juliet. Not a coincidence those are the better songs on the album without a drum machine. Gosh they are so freaking good.

Scottie Crago was good too. I LOVED her Timespace touring band. OMG that was her best band ever. Les on guitar and an electric guitar Landslide were really cool. They made Scottie do a drum solo. I always hated those drum solos into Stand Back. Gosh remember the explosions they pumped into the beginning of Edge of 17. :lol: Just wow.

IMO, he has no clue how to play the groove that Stand Back requires. He goes cymbal. SPAT. cymbal. SPAT. Where Jimmy really, I hear, got the dance beat right on it that you could clap to.

Here are two Stand Backs. One from this year (first) and one from 2012 (where we also see Stevie wearing the original cape. Alas, 2023 doesn't mark 40 years since she's worn it!)

2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcXpsf3GN8g
2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KB5WXBtVxE

Its all style. The one you dont like is playing more traditional to the song's roots. It was a drum machine. Its also the more prevalent way its always been played. I also believe a phone camera is not picking up all the sound which is misleading.

Even Russ and Jerry play it that way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8ArukoPm20

I disagree with you that Drew Hester plays it like Russ Kunkel. I hear kick drum with the cymbal when Russ plays it. I think Jimmy played it like Russ. Drew does cymbal then snare I believe.

Also, I don't think the album version has cymbal in the opening.

Edit: noncellphone video:

Ellen 2011: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqxO3xfEqhg
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Tld1Zv2xE

I always liked the performance of Stand Back with Liberty Devitto that was from a TV show in 83. He nailed it.

I can think of the perfect drummer for her.

MF plays Stand Back very well if that’s who! He has sat in for a few songs with her in solo shows. I always found Jimmy Paxson to do the best with the Mac songs in her solo set; they had the FM feel with him.
It’ll be interesting to see what Mick does this year. I know Crowded House is working on another album but I doubt Neil would have both Elroy and Mick on the tour.
I can’t see Mick doing any work with Lindsey if Neil and Mike are current members of FM

Yes and Marotta was good too. There is something about the Marottas that lures me in. The issue is taking a disco swish drum machine and making a drummer create his own version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cElfqgK8Cf0

It probably does because she wore it on either the Rumours or Tusk tour also.

There are no current members of Fleetwood Mac.