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jbrownsjr 07-13-2022 10:02 AM

Far Out Christine's Best 7 Songs
 
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/christi...fleetwood-mac/

Villavic 07-13-2022 10:28 AM

As long as you follow is one of my favorites. Hard to distinguish faves from "bests", if best is defined technically; at least to me since I'm not a professional musician. But I would replace Think about me with ALAYF. I like TAM, but never crazy about it. But that's just based on my personal faves list.

jbrownsjr 07-13-2022 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1276016)
As long as you follow is one of my favorites. Hard to distinguish faves from "bests", if best is defined technically; at least to me since I'm not a professional musician. But I would replace Think about me with ALAYF. I like TAM, but never crazy about it. But that's just based on my personal faves list.

I adore that song. It's one of her best and my fav!

Macfan4life 07-13-2022 11:41 AM

Not a bad list. I think her best song is Why but I dont have an issue with the songs listed. Its nearly impossible to rank her songs because they are all so good. Glad to see Oh Daddy get the love it deserves. No TRUE or REAL Fleetwood Mac fan can discard Oh Daddy.

aleuzzi 07-13-2022 11:48 AM

Glad she’s getting any press and recognition, though there are some annoying inaccuracies. She married John in 1969, AFTER she participated in Mr. Wonderful. They were never songwriting partners. And then there’s this opinion regarding the period of 1970-74:

“For the next five albums, McVie would act as keyboardist along with taking on co-lead vocalist duties. Her vocals were often the highlights of this particular era, but it wasn’t until the arrival of Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham that McVie’s songwriting began to match her musical talents.”

McVie’s songwriting was firmly established by the time of Penguin. Yes, she was far more successful commercially once LB/SN joined, but it’s hard to argue that “Why,” “Remember Me,” “Bad Loser,” and “Prove Your Love” aren’t as fully realized as any number of her better-known songs.

WalkAThinLine. 07-13-2022 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1276019)
McVie’s songwriting was firmly established by the time of Penguin. Yes, she was far more successful commercially once LB/SN joined, but it’s hard to argue that “Why,” “Remember Me,” “Bad Loser,” and “Prove Your Love” aren’t as fully realized as any number of her better-known songs.

Penguin is really when McVie hit her stride as a songwriter. That is not to discount some of her pre-Penguin work, as "Show Me a Smile" is sublime and "Spare Me a Little of Your Love" matches the caliber of her hit singles.

bwboy 07-13-2022 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1276018)
Not a bad list. I think her best song is Why but I dont have an issue with the songs listed. Its nearly impossible to rank her songs because they are all so good. Glad to see Oh Daddy get the love it deserves. No TRUE or REAL Fleetwood Mac fan can discard Oh Daddy.

Sorry Macfan4life, I’m a tried and true fan of FM’s music and have been for 45 years, and I really dislike Oh Daddy. And I’m pretty sure I’m not alone here. Just different tastes, that’s all.

Macfan4life 07-13-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1276022)
Sorry Macfan4life, I’m a tried and true fan of FM’s music and have been for 45 years, and I really dislike Oh Daddy. And I’m pretty sure I’m not alone here. Just different tastes, that’s all.

You are in a club of 2 on this board.

All you chiffon heads think alike :lol:

moon 07-13-2022 02:14 PM

Well, it's good to see that at least two songs are not from Rumours -I'm not counting Say You Love Me as well-. Big applause for Think About Me and Little Lies! :D
I'm here to say I'm the other one on this forum who dislikes Oh Daddy :sorry: I don't hate it, but I simply don't like it as I like others!
And I'm not here to write another list of my fav songs of Christine, but there's lot of works from the past which deserve more credit. Remember Me, Spare Me A Little, Heroes Are Hard To Find, Come A Little Bit Closer!! Please!!! Where is Over My Head, one of her first Top 20 with the band?? Where are Everywhere, Love In Store, Hold Me??

Villavic 07-13-2022 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1276022)
I really dislike Oh Daddy. And I’m pretty sure I’m not alone here. Just different tastes, that’s all.

At college, a teacher once said that whisky and milk are kind of acquired tastes; that is, you don't like them at first but you like them over time.

That's exactly what happened to me with Oh Daddy

Macfan4life 07-13-2022 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1276029)
At college, a teacher once said that whisky and milk are kind of acquired tastes; that is, you don't like them at first but you like them over time.

That's exactly what happened to me with Oh Daddy

Oh Daddy was always my least favorite song on Rumours until about 15 years ago. It fit the album perfectly but just was my least favorite. I love all of Chris's songs but there is something about her somber songs like Oh Daddy , Over and Over, and Ask Anybody that move me. However its not really Chris's singing or lyrics why I love the song. IMHO the music track IS Fleetwood mac. If you wanted to put a sound in a time capsule and open it 100 years later and play for people to understand the Mac sound, this would be it. I just wish there was an extended version that let Chris play out. Chris's organ through the song is mind blowing. I always loved the 20th anniversary of Rumours dissection of the song. Everything including the lonely castanet haunts me.
I love when Mick says he was not Keith Moon but was getting there :lol:

The Making of Oh Daddy at 4:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-rfUhM3dxk

bwboy 07-13-2022 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1276031)
Oh Daddy was always my least favorite song on Rumours until about 15 years. However its not really Chris's singing or lyrics why I love the song. IMHO the music track IS Fleetwood mac. If you wanted to put a sound in a time capsule and open it 100 years later and play for people to understand the Mac sound, this would be it. I just wish there was an extended version that let Chris play out.

Oh dear, we have a problem here. I will never believe Oh Daddy is THE song that represents Fleetwood Mac. The Chain, I could accept; Don’t Stop, I could accept. Go Your Own Way, I could accept. Landslide, I could accept. Oh Daddy, I cannot accept. I don’t hate it, it’s just very very low on my list. Very low. Christine’s catalogue is full of incredible songs that jump out at me, but Oh Daddy just does not jump out at me. Comparing the song to her other, more somber efforts, like Brown Eyes, Over and Over, Never Make Me Cry, or Warm Ways, Oh Daddy pleases my ear the least.

bwboy 07-13-2022 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1276029)
At college, a teacher once said that whisky and milk are kind of acquired tastes; that is, you don't like them at first but you like them over time.

That's exactly what happened to me with Oh Daddy

I’ve heard the same thing about cigarettes and coffee!

As Long As You Follow is a favorite of mine, too. I suppose the reasons I love ALAYF are why I don’t care for Oh Daddy- one song has the beautiful harmonies FM is known for; one song has that incredible guitar wrapped up in the bass and drums; and one song has beautiful lyrics that sound like she’s singing directly to the fans. Not that it’s a deal breaker, but after all these years I really have no idea what Oh Daddy is about, nor do I care. The lyrics don't do anything for me, and I don’t care for the music, either.

But hey, both songs can exist in peace and harmony LOL!

Villavic 07-13-2022 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1276032)
Oh dear, we have a problem here. I will never believe Oh Daddy is THE song that represents Fleetwood Mac. The Chain, I could accept; Don’t Stop, I could accept. Go Your Own Way, I could accept. Landslide, I could accept. Oh Daddy, I cannot accept. I don’t hate it, it’s just very very low on my list. Very low. Christine’s catalogue is full of incredible songs that jump out at me, but Oh Daddy just does not jump out at me. Comparing the song to her other, more somber efforts, like Brown Eyes, Over and Over, Never Make Me Cry, or Warm Ways, Oh Daddy pleases my ear the least.

I agree. I started to analyze why OD would represent the Fleetwood Mac sound. I got lost. But in the middle of that, I thought... Oh Daddy fits more into Tusk than Rumours.

Macfan4life 07-13-2022 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1276034)
I agree. I started to analyze why OD would represent the Fleetwood Mac sound. I got lost. But in the middle of that, I thought... Oh Daddy fits more into Tusk than Rumours.

We must have different records ;). The Rumours FM sound had the mid 70s sound. Chris's playing is vintage Mac playing. Lindsey has a mystical guitar and he plays off Christine. It is the MAC sound. No way a Tusk track. Its classic Rumours. Fleetwood Mac had a very mystical sound prior to Stevie and Lindsey. That sound showed itself here and there after they joined and this is probably the best example. Mick, John, Chris and Lindsey created the most magical track. When you hear the track, its no guess its Fleetwood Mac. Some are chasing the pop songs of Seven Wonders and cant hear the depth of the music sometimes.

Brilliant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfc3y0G511Y

WalkAThinLine. 07-13-2022 06:41 PM

I never noticed the massive amount of reverb on the snare drum for Oh Daddy. Hearing the instrumental track allows you to appreciate some of those nuances.

BombaySapphire3 07-13-2022 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1276029)
At college, a teacher once said that whisky and milk are kind of acquired tastes

Your college teacher must not have been Irish.:lol:

HomerMcvie 07-13-2022 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1276037)
Your college teacher must not have been Irish.:lol:

I LOATHE both coffee and cigarettes. Both are disgusting. That is all.

HomerMcvie 07-13-2022 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1276034)
I agree. I started to analyze why OD would represent the Fleetwood Mac sound. I got lost. But in the middle of that, I thought... Oh Daddy fits more into Tusk than Rumours.

Exactly. Silver Springs even fits better than Oh Daddy.


And I too(regardless of what Macfan says) don't HATE it...

Do you know why Think About Me is my favorite song? The beat.

Do you know why Oh Daddy is towards the bottom of my list? The beat. It's a f*cking Snoozeville song. Right there with Beautiful Child and Storms. ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................

Macfan4life 07-14-2022 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1276041)
Exactly. Silver Springs even fits better than Oh Daddy.


And I too(regardless of what Macfan says) don't HATE it...

Do you know why Think About Me is my favorite song? The beat.

Do you know why Oh Daddy is towards the bottom of my list? The beat. It's a f*cking Snoozeville song. Right there with Beautiful Child and Storms. ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................

Yes the beat of TAM is amazing. The way the song opens with a drum punch grabs you right away.
Some were listing Mac's biggest hits that describe their sound the best. IMHO if you strip the singing, its Oh Daddy. The track has all the elements. Chris's playing organ is vintage. It could be on Mystery To Me. But the way Lindsey plays with Chris and the way they feed off each other is another brilliant element with the new members to the band. Its also a very classic mid 70s sound. Its one Chris's most creative organ tracks and that says a lot. Its a somber song from Chris which lures me in.
To find the best diamonds you have to dig a little deeper. To find the best gold you have to pan a little more intense. For far too many years I over looked the music of the song. Stevie even said that Oh Daddy is her favorite Chris track (take note bwboy). It makes me put on my Oh Daddy shawl and spin around the room.

bwboy 07-14-2022 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1276042)
To find the best diamonds you have to dig a little deeper. To find the best gold you have to pan a little more intense. For far too many years I over looked the music of the song. Stevie even said that Oh Daddy is her favorite Chris track (take note bwboy). It makes me put on my Oh Daddy shawl and spin around the room.

Christine actually said something very similar once- “I’ve been searching for a pot of gold like the kind you find at the end of a rainbow.”

I could swear I read in an interview that Stevie thought Danny Kirwan wrote Oh Daddy.

On Ice 07-14-2022 07:25 AM

It would be impossible to knock any of these songs off the list, just so many to choose from. That said, the list-maker inaccurately frames the pre- Buckingham Nicks days and leaves off some of her most brilliant work. At the very least, Why and Spare me A Little belong near the top. Christine made her stride much earlier in the band's history than 1975. As Long As You Follow is arguably her very best modern song, which I would group with the Tango Era. As for Rumours though, I think one song of each, but not both, would suffice, so I would keep Oh Daddy and You Make Loving Fun. :)

Villavic 07-14-2022 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1276037)
Your college teacher must not have been Irish.:lol:


Right! I think there are no irish teachers in Peru! :) . But we peruvians were born loving pisco! :nod:

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Macfan4life 07-14-2022 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1276041)
Exactly. Silver Springs even fits better than Oh Daddy.


And I too(regardless of what Macfan says) don't HATE it...

Do you know why Think About Me is my favorite song? The beat.

Do you know why Oh Daddy is towards the bottom of my list? The beat. It's a f*cking Snoozeville song. Right there with Beautiful Child and Storms. ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................

Yes, you got a faint whiff of what I'm cooking. Exactly right the studio version of Silver Springs has that ultimate Fleetwood Mac sound. I think some were thinking I was saying the "SONG" Oh Daddy encompassed the band. Its not the song, but SOUND. No doubt Silver Springs has that dreamy, mystical sound with Chris and Lindsey playing around each other, Mick playing behind the beat, etc that screams Fleetwood Mac. Both songs are Rumours era cream of the crop.

Its like when the Beatles recorded a song they called their "Fleetwood mac" song. It was the sound that made them say that. There are other songs like Sugar Daddy, Warm Ways, etc that could also fit into this circle, meaning: They have the classic Mac sound with the marriage of Lindsey on guitar making them a bit more whimsical and polished. I know Waddy plays guitar on Sugar Daddy but I think you smell what I'm cooking. The Mac had their peak success in the 70s and after Rumours we only got faint tastes of this sound again since so much changes every band as we all rolled into the 1980s and beyond.

aleuzzi 07-14-2022 08:14 AM

Okay—enough is enough. You don’t have to love or even like Oh Daddy—but it fits beautifully on the record. To suggest that the twee studio version of Silver Springs fits better is madness. Silver Springs became a great song in 1997. It was rightfully an outtake in 1977. Oh Daddy, like it or not, is as iconic as Rhiannon—it has archetypal power, the story of a vulnerable woman forever searching for guidance and affection. It’s a song about loneliness and desperation as much as it is also intimate confession. And the chords! Such a great song!

Villavic 07-14-2022 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1276049)
Okay—enough is enough.

Oh I really apologize. I will never share my opinion about Oh Daddy. :rolleyes:

bwboy 07-14-2022 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1276049)
Okay—enough is enough. You don’t have to love or even like Oh Daddy—but it fits beautifully on the record. To suggest that the twee studio version of Silver Springs fits better is madness. Silver Springs became a great song in 1997. It was rightfully an outtake in 1977. Oh Daddy, like it or not, is as iconic as Rhiannon—it has archetypal power, the story of a vulnerable woman forever searching for guidance and affection. It’s a song about loneliness and desperation as much as it is also intimate confession. And the chords! Such a great song!

You almost had me right up until you said Oh Daddy was as iconic as Rhiannon.

aleuzzi 07-14-2022 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1276052)
Oh I really apologize. I will never share my opinion about Oh Daddy. :rolleyes:

Thank you for being so accommodating :laugh:

aleuzzi 07-14-2022 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1276054)
You almost had me right up until you said Oh Daddy was as iconic as Rhiannon.

But it is in a completely different way. At least I think so ;)

jbrownsjr 07-14-2022 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1276049)
Okay—enough is enough. You don’t have to love or even like Oh Daddy—but it fits beautifully on the record. To suggest that the twee studio version of Silver Springs fits better is madness. Silver Springs became a great song in 1997. It was rightfully an outtake in 1977. Oh Daddy, like it or not, is as iconic as Rhiannon—it has archetypal power, the story of a vulnerable woman forever searching for guidance and affection. It’s a song about loneliness and desperation as much as it is also intimate confession. And the chords! Such a great song!

It's truly a beautiful piece of music. And the transition from OhDaddy to GDW is iconic. When you listen to this album in a side 1/side 2 format. It's nearly perfect. And Oh Daddy is exactly placed where it should be. And I truly believe it stands on it's own. I think one or two of the other members said it's their favorite Christine song. I get it.

And I think you have to get it, in order to like it.

Apology accepted. :xoxo:

HomerMcvie 07-14-2022 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1276064)

Apology accepted. :xoxo:

You two should get a room...:p

jbrownsjr 07-14-2022 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1276065)
You two should get a room...:p

Oh go hug a goat! :wavey:

aleuzzi 07-14-2022 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1276065)
You two should get a room...:p

Well, okay, sure. A room sounds fun.

But I didn’t know I had apologized for anything. I mean I can if someone wants me to. I’m accommodating.

jbrownsjr 07-14-2022 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1276067)
Well, okay, sure. A room sounds fun.

But I didn’t know I had apologized for anything. I mean I can if someone wants me to. I’m accommodating.

The apology line was directed at ANYONE and I mean ANYONE, that doesn't get Oh Daddy.

Not you, Tony. Our Room's on Fire!

aleuzzi 07-14-2022 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1276068)
The apology line was directed at ANYONE and I mean ANYONE, that doesn't get Oh Daddy.

Not you, Tony. Our Room's on Fire!

Our walls are flaming. Girl, we are staring at the stairs…

jbrownsjr 07-14-2022 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1276069)
Our walls are flaming. Girl, we are staring at the stairs…

Landslides are silver, and golden braids have sprung!

bwboy 07-14-2022 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1276064)
It's truly a beautiful piece of music. And the transition from OhDaddy to GDW is iconic. When you listen to this album in a side 1/side 2 format. It's nearly perfect. And Oh Daddy is exactly placed where it should be. And I truly believe it stands on it's own. I think one or two of the other members said it's their favorite Christine song. I get it.

And I think you have to get it, in order to like it.

Apology accepted. :xoxo:

I’m sorry jbrownsjr, but nearly perfect isn’t good enough LOL!

I’m sure Oh Daddy is one of Mick’s favorites… after all, Christine wrote the song about him :laugh:

Macfan4life 07-14-2022 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1276068)
The apology line was directed at ANYONE and I mean ANYONE, that doesn't get Oh Daddy.

Not you, Tony. Our Room's on Fire!

Just like the country is divided into red and blue states. There are Oh Daddy states and non-Oh Daddy states. I want to live in an Oh Daddy state.

I can sympathize with those in the non-Oh Daddy states. I used to live there many years ago. I just moved up and now have a movie star view.
Its never too late to rediscover old songs. I used to not like Only Over You either. I cherish that song now.

jbrownsjr 07-14-2022 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1276074)
Just like the country is divided into red and blue states. There are Oh Daddy states and non-Oh Daddy states. I want to live in an Oh Daddy state.

I can sympathize with those in the non-Oh Daddy states. I used to live there many years ago. I just moved up and now have a movie star view.
Its never too late to rediscover old songs. I used to not like Only Over You either. I cherish that song now.

People think I'm crazy, but they don't know.

jbrownsjr 07-14-2022 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1276073)
I’m sorry jbrownsjr, but nearly perfect isn’t good enough LOL!

I’m sure Oh Daddy is one of Mick’s favorites… after all, Christine wrote the song about him :laugh:

I think Mick and Stevie said it was their favorite. Anyone else remember that. jbrownsjr mind is going... :sorry:


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