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FuzzyPlum 01-30-2022 10:27 AM

Dreams: The Greatest 2 Chord Song of All Time?
 
I love a bit of Rick Beato...great channel!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpqAz0ZNQaY

Anyway, he picks out Dreams as one of the 3 greatest 2-chord songs of all time, along with Horse With No Name (America) and Something In The Way (Nirvana).

Stripped back like this you can appreciate just how simple it really is.

Macfan4life 01-30-2022 01:01 PM

Horse with no name is incredible

SteveMacD 01-30-2022 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1272462)
Horse with no name is incredible

“Feeling Alright” wasn’t in the top three?

aleuzzi 02-05-2022 12:51 AM

Other great FM two-chord songs: Over My Head, Hold Me, Coming Your Way, Why, and Bad Loser.

There are others, but these come to mind. Why and Hold Me are especially impressive because their arrangements are so full and sophisticated that you don’t notice how basic (yet sound) their respective song structures really are.

HomerMcvie 02-05-2022 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1272563)
Other great FM two-chord songs: Over My Head, Hold Me, Coming Your Way, Why, and Bad Loser.

There are others, but these come to mind. Why and Hold Me are especially impressive because their arrangements are so full and sophisticated that you don’t notice how basic (yet sound) their respective song structures really are.

With all due respect, :xoxo: , OMH and Why are 4 and 3 chord songs(and that's if you don't count the Why guitar intro- it's more if you do). When I was a kid, I used to confuse a minor II for a IV. And Hold Me verses are Am G D, with the choruses running G Am G/B C D.

aleuzzi 02-05-2022 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1272565)
With all due respect, :xoxo: , OMH and Why are 3 chord songs(and that's if you don't count the Why guitar intro- it's more if you do). When I was a kid, I used to confuse a minor II for a IV. And Hold Me verses are Am G D, with the choruses running G Am G/B C D.

Of course, you’re right (and no disrespect was assumed).

Even Dreams has more than 2 chords if you count all the clever little changes (or variations on the F/G movements with F7 and G6). Still, I’ve played OMH and Why and they’re essentially two chords—with one or two key switches in each (no I don’t count the intro to Why). Forgot about all the chords in Hold Me! Anyway, it was in that spirit that I listed these other songs.

HomerMcvie 02-05-2022 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1272566)
Of course, you’re right (and no disrespect was assumed).

Even Dreams has more than 2 chords if you count all the clever little changes (or variations on the F/G movements with F7 and G6). Still, I’ve played OMH and Why and they’re essentially two chords—with one or two key switches in each (no I don’t count the intro to Why). Forgot about all the chords in Hold Me! Anyway, it was in that spirit that I listed these other songs.

I almost pointed out Dreams, too. Somewhere....I have a FM Anthology book(White, Rumours, and Tusk- if I remember correctly- I've not seen it for years) that shows Dreams with Am and Fmaj7(again, if I remember correctly), even though they sound almost the same.

aleuzzi 02-06-2022 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1272568)
I almost pointed out Dreams, too. Somewhere....I have a FM Anthology book(White, Rumours, and Tusk- if I remember correctly- I've not seen it for years) that shows Dreams with Am and Fmaj7(again, if I remember correctly), even though they sound almost the same.

I just dug that book out of a pile and don’t see Am anywhere in a single chord, but there are times when her voice is hitting a notes nowhere on the two chords. And then, at the very end, there’s a “b” tacked onto the chord.

I looked at OMH, too. That song is suspended in D and D/G so much that when the brief but critical Em and A are sounded respectively it’s like the heavens have opened—or something.

HomerMcvie 02-06-2022 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1272570)
I just dug that book out of a pile and don’t see Am anywhere in a single chord, but there are times when her voice is hitting a notes nowhere on the two chords. And then, at the very end, there’s a “b” tacked onto the chord.

I looked at OMH, too. That song is suspended in D and D/G so much that when the brief but critical Em and A are sounded respectively it’s like the heavens have opened—or something.

Well again, I was going from memory, and it ain't what it used to be. Yet I remember when $tevie was the most likeable member of the band. :wavey::woohoo:

bombaysaffires 02-06-2022 03:10 AM

Saw this a few days ago... and was struck how NO ONE can really sing lead on this song but Stevie. She brought a magic to it with the fluidity of her voice (back in the 70s when it would go wherever she wanted it to, from low to high from raspy to beautifully clear). Other people just need to not sing it, because they suck at it (even if they're objectively good singers).

What he's playing on the guitar is what is clearly played on keys in live performances. You can really hear it in Benmont's playing on the Bella Donna concert audio.

The Rumours production is still absolutely f&*&ing SUBLIME and I will love it til the day I die.

aleuzzi 02-06-2022 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1272571)
Well again, I was going from memory, and it ain't what it used to be. Yet I remember when $tevie was the most likeable member of the band. :wavey::woohoo:

She formed a pact. She was a nun on the road. She always gave the band first pick of her songs. She never broke up Fleetwood Mac.

aleuzzi 02-06-2022 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1272572)
Saw this a few days ago... and was struck how NO ONE can really sing lead on this song but Stevie. She brought a magic to it with the fluidity of her voice (back in the 70s when it would go wherever she wanted it to, from low to high from raspy to beautifully clear). Other people just need to not sing it, because they suck at it (even if they're objectively good singers).

What he's playing on the guitar is what is clearly played on keys in live performances. You can really hear it in Benmont's playing on the Bella Donna concert audio.

The Rumours production is still absolutely f&*&ing SUBLIME and I will love it til the day I die.

It is true: the song only works when Stevie is singing it. The covers — even when sung by very good singers — sound generic and professional as opposed to intense and persuasive.

jbrownsjr 02-07-2022 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1272577)
It is true: the song only works when Stevie is singing it. The covers — even when sung by very good singers — sound generic and professional as opposed to intense and persuasive.

It's really true of all 3 of them. So hard to re-create what they do.

aleuzzi 02-07-2022 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1272611)
It's really true of all 3 of them. So hard to re-create what they do.

Even those who say Eva Cassidy (sp?) sang a better “Songbird” are just plain wrong.

Ari Hest’s “Little Lies” is pretty damn cool—and it comes closest to a Rumours-era FM cover sounding authentic.

jbrownsjr 02-08-2022 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1272618)
Even those who say Eva Cassidy (sp?) sang a better “Songbird” are just plain wrong.

Ari Hest’s “Little Lies” is pretty damn cool—and it comes closest to a Rumours-era FM cover sounding authentic.

Eva's is pretty at best. Christine's is authentic and full of pain.

vivfox 02-17-2022 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1272618)
Even those who say Eva Cassidy (sp?) sang a better “Songbird” are just plain wrong.

I know I'm not wrong

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1272651)
Eva's is pretty at best. Christine's is authentic and full of pain.

To me Songbird should have been left off Rumours and maybe just performed as a concert song. I hated having that song as a closer. It was shoved down our throats as the closing song for a thousand years. Stevie did the same with HAEWAFY. I want my concerts to go out with a bang. Rock me to the end of the show! And I will take Eva's version over Christine's any day of the week.

HomerMcvie 02-17-2022 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1272852)
I know I'm not wrong


To me Songbird should have been left off Rumours and maybe just performed as a concert song. I hated having that song as a closer. It was shoved down our throats as the closing song for a thousand years. Stevie did the same with HAEWAFY. I want my concerts to go out with a bang. Rock me to the end of the show! And I will take Eva's version over Christine's any day of the week.

How do you feel about Oh Daddy?:lol::wavey:

vivfox 02-17-2022 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1272859)
How do you feel about Oh Daddy?:lol::wavey:

Well now that you ask me, I would have been happier had Mick given Christine the speech out in the parking lot about removing Songbird and Oh Daddy so they can keep Silver Springs on Rumours.:lol: But just the other day when you said Silver Springs would have been perfect for Tusk, I realized you were 100% right. It would have fit in perfectly with her other 5 songs. But the only song on Tusk I didn't care for was Never Make Me Cry, and it's too short for SS to replace with. So if I HAD to cut another track for SS, I would say goodbye to Not That Funny.

HomerMcvie 02-17-2022 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1272867)
Well now that you ask me, I would have been happier had Mick given Christine the speech out in the parking lot about removing Songbird and Oh Daddy so they can keep Silver Springs on Rumours.:lol: But just the other day when you said Silver Springs would have been perfect for Tusk, I realized you were 100% right. It would have fit in perfectly with her other 5 songs. But the only song on Tusk I didn't care for was Never Make Me Cry, and it's too short for SS to replace with. So if I HAD to cut another track for SS, I would say goodbye to Not That Funny.

Okay, SS doesn't belong on Rumours, but let me put Oh Daddy on Tusk, and put Think About Me on Rumours. That would even make Rumours better!

No one wanted to hear a song about Mick anyway! Not that I ever believed his story about it being about him. Mick went to the $tevie Nicks School of Truth Telling.

I had never really thought about it until the other day...SS really DOES fit the mood of Tusk far better than Rumours. And you can do whatever with NTF. I've never understood why Lindsey loves it so. It's my least favorite song of his on Tusk.

bombaysaffires 02-17-2022 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1272871)
Okay, SS doesn't belong on Rumours, but let me put Oh Daddy on Tusk, and put Think About Me on Rumours. That would even make Rumours better!

I actually kinda agree with this.


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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1272871)
And you can do whatever with NTF. I've never understood why Lindsey loves it so. It's my least favorite song of his on Tusk.

LOVE it.

SteveMacD 02-18-2022 09:33 PM

Remove “Songbird?”

Seriously?

Willie Nelson not only covered it, but made it the title track!

Here’s MY Side 2

The Chain
Silver Springs
You Make Loving Fun
Gold Dust Woman

vivfox 02-19-2022 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1272910)
Remove “Songbird?”
Seriously?
Willie Nelson not only covered it, but made it the title track!

BFD :lol::p

aleuzzi 02-20-2022 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1272910)
Remove “Songbird?”

Seriously?

Willie Nelson not only covered it, but made it the title track!

Here’s MY Side 2

The Chain
Silver Springs
You Make Loving Fun
Gold Dust Woman

I would not change anything about Rumours as it was originally released in February 1977. Not the song selection, not the running order, not the performance and arrangement choices. Nothing.

Thankfully, no album is perfect, for absolute perfection is a kind of creative death (and some of my favorite FM albums are the ones with noticeable flaws). But reaching near-perfection means realizing a kind of inexhaustible magic, a proverbial sliver of the eternal. Or something like that.

So, all those who say “Do away with ‘Songbird’” or “Cancel ‘Oh Daddy’” or “Swap out IDWK for SS”—to those I say you’re revising for worse.

HomerMcvie 02-20-2022 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1272948)
I would not change anything about Rumours as it was originally released in February 1977. Not the song selection, not the running order, not the performance and arrangement choices. Nothing.

Thankfully, no album is perfect, for absolute perfection is a kind of creative death (and some of my favorite FM albums are the ones with noticeable flaws). But reaching near-perfection means realizing a kind of inexhaustible magic, a proverbial sliver of the eternal. Or something like that.

So, all those who say “Do away with ‘Songbird’” or “Cancel ‘Oh Daddy’” or “Swap out IDWK for SS”—to those I say you’re revising for worse.

Rumours is perfect.

We're just "what iffing".

Silver Springs was NOT on Rumours, and shouldn't have been.

That is all.

aleuzzi 02-20-2022 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1272949)
Rumours is perfect.

We're just "what iffing".

Silver Springs was NOT on Rumours, and shouldn't have been.

That is all.

Yeah—I get the riffing. It can be fun, but I hate when I see beautiful songs dismissed or wished off the record (usually Christine songs) when all the choices that were made really served the record.

HomerMcvie 02-20-2022 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1272950)
Yeah—I get the riffing. It can be fun, but I hate when I see beautiful songs dismissed or wished off the record (usually Christine songs) when all the choices that were made really served the record.

Beautiful Child and Storms BORE ME TO TEARS. Should have edited those songs down to 30 seconds!:p

vivfox 02-20-2022 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1272950)
Yeah—I get the riffing. It can be fun, but I hate when I see beautiful songs dismissed or wished off the record (usually Christine songs) when all the choices that were made really served the record.

If it makes you feel any better, my fave song off the White Album is Warm Ways.

aleuzzi 02-20-2022 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1272952)
If it makes you feel any better, my fave song off the White Album is Warm Ways.

It’s a lovely song :)

DownOnRodeo 02-21-2022 12:41 AM

Dreams doesn't seem fair because I can't imagine it without Lindsey and John's musical interlude, which introduces at least one new chord.

What about Albatross?

Macfan4life 02-21-2022 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1272952)
If it makes you feel any better, my fave song off the White Album is Warm Ways.

Warm Ways is beautiful. Its so good that it was picked to be the first single in England. I dont understand the hate Warm Ways and Oh Daddy get on this board. Both are so magical and the musical track makes me feel so good. Isn't that what good music is supposed to do?
Both have that mystical and magical 1970s Fleetwood Mac sound.

DownOnRodeo 02-22-2022 09:28 AM

"Miranda" might be another possible two-chord song, or close enough.


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