Something going on ??
 

I’ve just read an article where Lindsey says…” I don’t think Stevie ever got over me”
What.!!!???
Why is he coming out with this….there is something going on behind the scenes to get the Famous Five back together.
I know he is promoting his new work, but good grief.
His comment made me gasp with surprise..

I don’t think it indicates any plan’s afoot. Just out-of-control behavior from him to get headlines.

It made Stevie seem crazy to lather on like this for decades and now he’s doing what she always did, not realizing it’s an even less attractive look coming from him. He does not realize he can’t get away with what she did. It only backfires on him

You are right, it is out of control behaviour…which is so weird, coming from him.

I don't think he's out of control, but he's no longer being muzzled by FM's management, so he's free to speak his opinions. Whether you agree with what he's saying or not, it's kind of refreshing. Christine and Mick tried it recently, and they had to retract/refine their comments.

I've always thought neither Lindsey nor Stevie got over each other. I think their behavior over the years and most recently have proven that out. I don't think it's right to throw it back in Stevie's face that he met the love of his life in his later years, or to throw the choices she's made back at her, but let's not forget, the Queen of Contradiction has also said if she wasn't hooked on klonopin all those years, she could have gotten married/had kids.

I DO think it bugs the sh*t out of her having to witness him with a loving family. $he's lonely and miserable, and hates it that he found the happiness that $he couldn't.

$he'll never get over THAT.

Rihanna never spoke about the infamous Chris Brown incident until a couple of years later when she went on Oprah to promote her newest album at that time.This is what creative people always do. They wait until they have something new to promote and then air their past dirty laundry. Lindsey's main goal is to let the Fleetwood Mac fan base know he is finally releasing new music. Personally I don't see how this will help him with sales but I certainly am enjoying the soap opera effect.

I dont think its out of control behavior. I think he's just being honest. Yes some of these statements make headlines but you really have a hard time wrapping your head around Stevie's behavior lately.
I thought his statement about her being jealous of his movement on stage, being able to still jump around was more inflammatory than the still in love line. Stevie herself codes this from time to time. Still writing songs about him i.e. Blue Denim into the 1990s.

or 2000s. Thrown Down. she claims he is in love with her again and wants her back in Thrown Down. he was a newly married man with 2 babies at the time. yet she got only awwwws for that, not how inappropriate that is for her to claim he's still / again in love with her.

i don't know her solo songs, and maybe there she is different, but from FM songs, other than in Silver Springs, she comes across as very guarded - she usually claims in her songs how she's the object of his love and affection, not that she loves him. as that article points out, she successfully over decades built the picture of herself being object of everyone's longing, love and desire.

But Lindsey’s solo album was full of songs suggesting he was in love with her too and that his son’s conception changed things. So I’m not sure why anyone would criticize Stevie for the content of her songs then, when he was casting away dreams.

I don’t think that things he is saying are necessarily untrue. But when she said them it made her sound conceited, delusional and desperate. Now it is making him sound like that, to me. Even if he is being truthful (or thinks he is) I wish he would stop. I have a double standard. I admit it. Take plastic surgery. Yes I think it looks bad on women, but I think it looks even worse on men. I judge Wayne Newton’s face more harshly then I judge Cher’s. That’s how I feel about Lindsey claiming Stevie never got over him. Looks worse when he does it. Frankly, I wish he would tell me why Ken Caillat hates his guts so much. I wouldn’t mind an interview about why KEN is so jealous of him.

I used to cringe when Stevie would say things like Don Henley bought her flowers and LB got so jealous about it.

Do I believe Stevie got mad about his movements on stage? Yes I do. I have thought it since my first SYW show. He doesn’t need to say it though. We can talk about it among ourselves.

I feel the main thing is that Lindsey thought he had as much say in the band as she did. He thought he could argue back and force compromise when she didn’t agree. It doesn’t matter whether it was a tour schedule, a double album, a track list, an EP . . . She got tired of arguing with him about it. She got tired of the negotiations. She felt that if she wanted something her way, it should happen her way, without further discussion.

When you feel that way, you should be a solo artist. However she felt that because she is the main draw in Fleetwood Mac, she should make the decisions with her manager and the band should agree. And Lindsey would not stop resisting.

Also, let’s keep in mind that Lindsey also has a bunch of things to say about Mrs. Buckingham, if you give him a chance. He’s a fruitcake.I mean, don’t get me wrong. I love fruit cake, but most people don’t.

And I'll bet my left *** that her conniving old goat mind began clicking, the SECOND Christine came back. When it was just her and Lindsey, she HAD to have him in the band. Christine back, singing 7 or 8 of her hits, suddenly Lindsey was dispensable. "I can finally have MY way....F*CK HIM! I'll show him!" Thus ruining the band's legacy....

Is Lindsey a bit out there. Oh yeah.
Was he always pushing her buttons? Oh yeah.
Did he love pushing her buttons? Oh yeah.
Does he think she's a loon? Oh yeah.
Do I love him for all of the above? Oh yeah.


She's SO F*CKING ANNOYING. I LOVE him for feeling(I presume) about her, exactly the same way I do!

see i was thinking about this when i was writing about the content of that song. but - Stevie point blank said that those lines were about him. did Lindsey ever say that Cast Away Dreams was about SN? i know 90% of fans / shippers think that, and there are several discussions here on TL where i was analyzing it completely differently from most others - and it is entirely possible that i'm oblivious to what everyone else is seeing. i'm sure we can find these analyses and discussions, and most were disagreeing with me. Cast away dreams i always understood as casting away his dreams of a solo commercial success. he was dreaming about it with Cradle, and then with original GOS. and sitting on new music hoping for some good promotion or something. by the time UTS came around he decided pushing out new music was more important than trying to make it commercially successful. you all always told me - no he was dreaming of a renewed relationship with Stevie. last time he said anything about possible renewed relationship with her was during the dance interviews, right? Cast Away Drams was written when he was married, and he talked about writing it one night and singing it over the phone to his wife, telling her she was right about something they argued about. that's not point blank saying what the song is about. like with Thrown Down "the song is about YOU!". of course the interpretation is that thrown down is about the time of the Dance, before he was married. my whole point was that she is saying HE fell for HER again, not that they both fell for each other or that SHE fell again.

i always took less romantic and more practical way to interpret their bs. soap opera is nice to sell to fans, but underneath all that is a toxic rivalry and a naked wish for fame and success. much more cynical and less pretty than romantic doomed love that somehow can never be even though they were free and around each other for decades, no?

yes! that's what it was. he was still thinking he has a say in Mac, that it's still a democracy. that's why everyone else folded like a house of cards once she and Azoff managed to oust him. they knew what Azoff does. and she had him on her side. Stevie/Azoff joint recent statements made it completely clear, to anyone who was still confused - the 2 of them ousted Lindsey. and it's very possible that Stevie and Azoff would have Fleetwood Mac with just Stevie and bunch of other people if Mick or Christine or John tried to say no. but they should have said no anyway, instead of just "shut up and take the money." Steve here used to tell us over and over that Azoff will never get over that statement. and he was probably right.

I don’t know if he has explicitly said anything other than that UTS, the song, was about her. But it all sounds like it is about her anyway. That’s fine for the song.It doesn’t really matter.

He should just stop talking about her feelings in interviews. No one wants to hear a man talking about how some lonely woman is pining for him.

Do I think she was pining sometimes? Yes, I do, but he should just look at her like, “I know you want me” (as he does in the Dance dvd when she is staring at him while singing) and he doesn’t need to say anything. If he is feeling chatty, he can tell us about John McVie’s marriage. I don’t know much about John’s life and I’d appreciate the tea.

The New Misadventures of Old Christine
 

And for what it's worth, Lindsey was content to hold his tongue during that interview, but Christine egged him on to shy away from euphemisms; the same Christine who went on to waltz during Stevie's MusiCares acceptance oration while Lindsey merely stood on watching with presumably a wry but constrained grin.

By all rights Christine should have been fired by Azoff instead of or as well as Lindsey, the only difference being that Stevie can mother and control the relatively dependent Old Christine but can't get her way with Lindsey.

oh i completely agree, don't get me wrong.

just couldn't resist to put in my 0.02 on CAD. :angel:

right?? :shrug:

THIS.
Lindsey would never(until apparently, the ~now~ future) allow her control. That's why she had him fired. It's goat's way or da highway!
"I'm not the boss". Yeah bitch, you are...

He stared at Christine a lot in the Dance, too! :xoxo:

He was staring at Christine every time he was standing back from his mic and not singing.

Checking to see she was still at the keys and hadn't taken off to England in the band's jet.

She could fly back during a show now, and it wouldn't matter, since she only fake plays now.:distress:

Thrown Down wasn’t written in the 2000’s when he was married with kids though. It was written in 1997 during whatever weirdness was happening on The Dance tour. And he certainly was also participating in whatever that was. Kissing her head in that interview, telling rolling stone they aren’t getting back together yet but nothing’s impossible, that weird kiss during the Landover show, etc etc.

We could be critical of her choosing to release that song while he was married with kids, but it definitely wasn’t written in or about that present time so it’s not really an insult to the family he had by then. She wasn’t saying he’s in love with her in 2003, just that he fell for her again in 1997.

Fall From Grace was also written in the 1997 time period. I think the only song I can think of off hand that was written about him after he was married with a family was You May Be The One, which isn’t really about him pining for her as much as it’s about her being sad that they just weren’t meant to be (though it does mention Lindsey saying it took “years of regret and pain” to get past it). And I think My Heart is probably about Lindsey as well and may have been written post-1997 (not sure though since it was originally recorded in the TISL sessions that Fall From Grace and Thrown Down were recorded in, and both of those were 97). That one’s actually more so her pining for him though.

Her songs are hardly disrespectful to his family. There is artistic license for songs. Even when she is legitimately trying to give us a meaning for some of them there are at least three or four inspirations for a song or a verse in those songs. Stevie has outright insulted Lindsey plenty in interviews without my having to search for insults within her song lyrics, especially when I read Lindsey’s own lyrics.

Thank you for all of this. It's fascinating!
I never knew about You May Be the One. I had figured Stevie's last songs written about Lindsey were done in 1996-2000.

Yeah it’s definitely about him but I have no idea when it was written or what era it’s set in. Since it includes them kissing and fighting on a beach, I can’t imagine it being set in any recent time. Probably is about something that happened a long time ago. So, you could probably throw that out too if we’re trying to find a song about him that takes place post-marriage and kids.

Is "I Don't Care" about Lindsey?

That’s interesting. I have always assumed that Fall From Grace was about Christine walking out in 1997. (“It’s not enough that you saaaay you love me…”)

thanks for this, good to hear that some of the songs have a different / more healthy premise, telling what the songwriter is feeling, instead of projecting the feelings on someone else.

didn't Dave Stewart write the music for You May Be The One? i actually heard and liked that song, musically.

I don’t know if she’s ever said who that one’s about.


Maybe some parts could possibly be about the whole The Dance tour in general, but Stevie repeatedly said most of it is about Lindsey and that he knows it and has heard it. I believe FFG, Thrown Down, and Love Changes were all written around the same time and all were about her and Lindsey in 1997.
The “say you love me” thing is interesting though because I’ve noticed her bringing seemingly unrelated FM references into other song lyrics, be it consciously or subconsciously. For example in You May Be The One she has those lines “He says ‘I’m so afraid’” / “tell me another lie” which seem pretty intentional. She also uses the phrase “mystery to me” in that same song but that one’s probably a total coincidence.


Yep. You May Be The One was a poem in her journal. Dave liked it and helped her put music to it.

I don't know if the early parts of You May Be The One are about the time during The Dance or about the making of the SYW album.. the bit about "you may cry the tears/but the tears aren't really for me" could be one of their let's-get-honest convos during the Dance time or that section in the DR doc where they are alone in the studio and he gets teary talking to her about how much making the album means to him and how he sees it as a chance to make up for things in the past etc..

"the kiss/right out there in the universe" seems to be about the onstage kiss. Or the RS interview kiss... both during The Dance time. "you may take my hand/you who demand so much" makes me think of them holding hands as they walk out onstage on the DR tour (which was clearly shown in the DR doc ... maybe they held hands walking out onstage during The Dance tour)

The ending bit about "I hear the islands calling/I hear angry words/Flying across the ocean/like some seabirds, never stopping" is about after they finished SYW and she went off to Hawaii as did Mick, and LB was still in LA finishing mixing etc and there were fights about the running order and final number of songs.

This is one of the songs she has said is all about him and he knows it's about him. Just like Thrown Down. I have never heard her say that FFG was about him or that he knows this (though the lyrics could well be).

This is one of my favorite things about SN’s writing. All the lines that mean something specific, often said in a more poetic way, and you just have to listen line by line trying to figure out what it all means and put the story together. I don’t always love all her songs or all her vocals in her older years, but I’ll never tire of the story telling aspect. It really is fun to put it all together like a puzzle and figure out exactly what she means. Lindsey’s writing is often the same way. I listen to him less often but when I do, I’m doing the same thing. Trying to understand what he’s talking about and read between the lines until the story starts making sense.

It was her interview w/ Jim Ladd in the mid 2000s where she said that stuff about FFG being all LB: “Fall From Grace was a formal full-on poem…you know ‘maybe I worked this hard just to make sure you survive’… I wrote that poem about Lindsey and Lindsey knows that and he doesn’t care. He loves being inspirational and he is and I am to him. So we laugh about that. So I write these really, really heavy poems. I think I wrote most of that when we were out on the road on The Dance.”

And then I suppose there’s the “Sara” type of song, with several different people — friends, lovers, family — floating around in various places, in various epochs, a stanza for this, a stanza for that. It’s very nonspecific, unlike something like “Destiny Rules,” which seems to describe a person and a string of events, all very closely tied.

Destiny Rules is about Hernan (or mostly...we know she often mixes in random stuff). The whole "6 weeks in a foreign country" etc of the 2nd verse is about them going to Chile for 6 wks after they finished recording Tusk (where she wrote the song Bella Donna inspired, she says, by his mother and her story). I forget if he's the one who broke up with his fiancee to be with her. In any event she dumped him before the Tusk tour on the pretext that it's too hard to maintain a relationship while on the road.

I’m curious as to why you used the word pretext.

Lindsey's comments, to me, seem like the kinds of things he's talked to his fans about over the past fifteen or so years.

However, he made the colossal mistake of talking about that with the press.

Stevie responding is one thing. Irving Azoff responding is a very different, significantly more consequential can of worms.

It's telling that Mick has gone radio silent since that interview. I think the Mick-Lindsey show that they were planning has been thrown out the window altogether. Mick can smooth things over with Stevie, but Azoff??? Nope. Sorry, Lins.

I think the opposite. Azoff would have no problem bringing the FAB 5 together if it meant a huge tour and instant sell out. (Which it might with that kind of marketing.) However, Goat might not be so convinced. My theory being: for her it's more personal. for him, he doesn't give a sh*t about LB. It's just business. It's Irving's job to care about money.

I dunno. I think that the contempt and disdain in Irving Azoff’s comments are akin to a burn notice. Azoff said that the 2018 tour was the highest grossing in the band’s history, so I doubt he’s in any rush to get Lindsey back. I think the ship has sailed on the Rumours band, if not Fleetwood Mac altogether.

Mick's been pretty quiet, lately. I hope it's not because of COVID.

Mick has been quiet ever since Stevie publicly said she fired herself from the band in 2018. That's code for "keep your mouth zipped or I'm quitting the band forever."

Yeah, but the rekindled bromance between Mick and Lindsey has been crickets since Azoff's comments.

Yes, but Azoff comments and Stevie's comments were released at the same time in the same Rolling Stone article.

i know you really wanted Mick to join Lindsey on his solo tours, for reasoning i still don't understand, and sorry that now you seem disappointed. :shrug:


that said, Mick is not promoting anything right now, so of course he's not saying anything. all his statements came when he was promoting his FM / PG project recording that was coming out at the time.

on the other hand, Lindsey is now promoting something, therefore now he's the one talking about the bromance and soulmates. that said, even all Lindsey interviews were back in August, not now.

so the timeline you seem to imply doesn't really exist.

yes, Azoff is lucky Lindsey didn't sue specifically him as his manager who screw him over back in 2018, and was in on Fleetwood Mac breaking the contracts they had in place for 2018 tour. but Lindsey had in his lawsuit something like the FM 4 plus associated people, so i'm sure Azoff was not happy loosing a part of that tour income to Lindsey. :nod:

Lindsey said all Azoff cares about is money. then Azoff came out with the statement basically saying - hey all i care about is money! :laugh:

Lindsey said - it was Stevie who was behind the ultimatum. then Stevie came out and said no no no no no he's lying - it was I who gave the ultimatum. :laugh:

why Lindsey was paying Azoff as his manager all those years is completely beyond me, because now when we see the promotion under Lindsey's new management, it's completely clear that other than talking money and instead belittling him for not being commercial enough solo, Azoff was doing beyond crappy job for Lindsey.

that all said, i completely agree with you now that Azoff even though not FM manager at the time, is apparently someone who holds the grudges if someone denies him his planned money and was unhappy with Christine's getting Lindsey to say that Classics were just a sad moneygrab.

^^^ I agree. All he cares about is money. I think if they marketed a FAB 5 Rumours band coming back, it would explode. And poor Irving would forget all about "what's that guy's name?" Oh yeah, Lindsey Buckingham.