Is there anywhere here who is not taking sides?
 

I’m a huge Fleetwood Mac fan. I love them all. Just saw Lindsey solo
In Atlantic City this weekend. Fantastic show! If Stevie announces a tour tomorrow, I’ll be getting tickets to that as well. I’m just wondering, is there anyone else who feels the way I do?

It’s just so sad... all of this. I’m just trying to enjoy the music!

Taking sides here. Stevie ruined the ending of the band of my life, by getting Lindsey fired. Completely done with her!

Hi, Christopher. I remember you! As a fan, I’m sort of an ambulance chaser. I enjoy the titillation of hearing all the squalid details. I love listening to the (old) music and discussing it with all of you, but I’m not hugely invested in anything and don’t get fairly tormented by any of it — unless I get drawn into it on a personal level. Otherwise, I’m inclined to want to play my small part in making everyone else’s day nice.

I don’t have as much interest as I used to have in the current music of the members, but that’s my esthetic response to what I consider bloated stage shows and album filler. The new Lindsey CD is a “fascinating parade of sounds,” as Noel Coppage described Tusk in Stereo Review in 1979, but since 1982, his work has sometimes felt desultory to me. Mick and John still sound great in the studio without all the live claptrap drowning them out. Some pre-1975 cuts from the Mac have the enduring power of Rumours, to my ears. What I love the most is all this exciting live audio flooding the market — it’s nostalgia for me and I hope it continues for years.

Not choosing sides. That's an interesting concept. I like it.

I am not taking sides. But like an umpire calling balls and strikes, I call 'em as I see 'em. I dont think that is taking sides. Stevie had a brilliant career. She even took one for the team (Fleetwood Mac) by sticking with them when Lindsey left. She definitely is a bit crazy and always was. But her bizarre actions this late in her career are mind blowing. I think Lindsey is right. I really do believe she is still in love with him and in her old age she has never gotten over it and she has lost control with her ego. I really thought she would be jumping at the chance to make an album with Chris again. Chris could have been a buffer and everyone would have known it was the last Fleetwood Mac album. I mean why ask Christine back just to tour? So why so bitter at the last years of your career? I think this is her built up anger post Rumours finally showing up. I would have thought she would be over it and mature. Wrong.
Is that taking sides?

No I don’t take sides…
though I can understand why Stevie is not liked.
I will buy Lindsey’s new Album and wish Stevie would put some vault stuff together, ( she cannot write new songs) and I would buy that.
I have over the last 3 years begun to dislike what Stevie has become and the crap with Lindsey made me cry.

I’ve been a fan of this band since 1967.
And that’s what I am….a fan of Fleetwood Mac, a fan of their music.
That doesn’t mean the drama isn’t fun now and then.

And I would like them to get together for one last huge concert (or 3,or 4)
But not to tour that would be far too stupid

I saw FM and Lindsey in November 2018 and both shows were incredible. Being a fan of the band and the individual members is the best of both worlds.

You won’t have much luck finding a lot of impartiality here lol. Things got pretty (predictably:lol:) negative after the firing. The population in general around here is way down and those people who still come on here are pretty much all in the firmly anti-Stevie camp. And like a tiny minuscule amount of pro-Stevie people who pop in to defend her once in a blue moon. But by and large most Stevie fans (and FM fans that are just sick of drama in general) packed up and left a while back. Hence why Steve board never really has anything going on on it anymore.
You’d probably find more balance in like FM/BN Facebook groups or something.

I´m not taking sides. I wouldn't go to a concert of anyone. Solos or the band, their voices are not worth it anymore.

I agree. My last live show was Lindsey’s best of tour. I will buy new music but I’m done with the live shows. 43 years of live shows…..I’m done.

Disagree.

HUGE Stevie fan here, her past work was and will always be an important part of my life and memories but I am not a Stevie sycophant -- she's changed over the years and she has contributed to the downfall of the band creatively and to the cynical money-grabbing-at-all-costs attitude. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to love everything about a performer or everything they put out. Calling out bs when it's blatantly obvious is not "hating". But alas, in today's culture anything short of blind, drooling adoration is "hating".
I'm a fan of the band above all else, and even the members know (or used to) that they are all better together than separately (which is probably a big part in why they hate each other).

Like others have said, the ongoing drama of this bunch is entertainment in and of itself, and for me at least, provides a nice diversion from real work which requires me to actually think about real stuff. The reality show insanity that is this band is a rather mindless way of passing 20-30 mins and I mostly enjoy it. I don't take most of it that seriously one way or the other. But I remain fascinated by which turn they'll take next.

Maybe they are together in a parallel universe
 

If the Rumours iteration of the band had been more functional and prolific over the decades, we could focus more on the music as there would be less cause or room for focusing on the politics. I like to imagine an alternative history in which the five of them consistently released an album at least every second year since 1975, rather than the scattered and paltry mess of a handful of cohesive releases up to Tango and the random array of individualistic solo albums and bloated double albums. (Nothing against double albums and solo albums per se, as long as they're in addition to, not at the expense of, consistently releasing team albums.)

John, Christine, and Lindsey are by nature more introverted and music-oriented, making it easier in their case as a fan to focus on the music. Mick and Stevie are more extroverted; yes they create and augment the music, but they also amplify and broadcast the drama.

Take the MusiCares "walk-on music" debacle.
Organizer/Azoff's position: "Use Rhiannon. It's iconic." (<-- Focus on marketing.)
Lindsey's position: "No! I don't want to define our band as a 70s jukebox." (<-- Focus on artistic perceptions.)
Stevie's position: "Fine then, I quit!" (<-- Focus on personal issues.)


The Rumours 5+Azoff are like an unstable molecule. There are few consistently defined roles and the power hierarchy is not functionally stable. Different individuals and camps at any given time are pulling in different directions.

Of the Rumours 5, Christine is the most senior songwriter/vocalist yet she shirks a directive role, gladly delegating it to anyone Mick can drag aboard.
John has a vision for the bass line but is too reticent and disengaged to take charge of the band as a whole. Lindsey took on the bandleader role but Stevie is older than him and was always the one pushing for them to be stars. And Lindsey and Stevie have been at each other's throats since before they even joined FM in 1974, let alone every moment since then.

In an alternate universe, a more functional and productive Rumours 5 might look like this.
- Christine is more assertive and wears a producer hat.
- Lindsey is older than Stevie and stands center stage.
- Stevie learns and plays acoustic guitar at one side of the stage. The time and effort involved in learning and performing the instrument forces her to spend less time on drama.
- Lindsey allows John more room to do his flowery bass lines.
- Lindsey, Christine, and John are the core music writing team.
- Stevie and Christine are the core lyricists. (At least until mid-90s. Lindsey's lyrics abilities developed late.)
- The need for interactions between Lindsey and Stevie are limited. In case of disagreements, Christine has musical veto in deference to her seniority in the band and keen hit-making sensibilities.

I was the biggest Stevie fan, but I can't go along with her on this.

I still enjoy the old music, but Lindsey's firing makes it impossible for me to enjoy the current form of Fleetwood Mac or to enjoy much of Stevie's solo work (especially her most recent output).

I realize the band has gone through many lineups, but the Rumours lineup is what stuck and at this point in the game it's either that lineup of Lindsey-Christine-Stevie-John-Mick or the band should disband.

The last tour without Lindsey was like a cover band, and not a very good one. I won't be on board with anything unless the Rumours lineup reunites.

I operate by the principle that no conflict is ever one-sided, it comes down to accepting responsibility in order to move on. With these five iconic folks, therein lies the problem-endless finger pointing and oneupmanship has made that impossible and ruined the bands potential arguably after Mirage as Stevie severely went sideways for Tango. As we approach the 50 year mark since this all started, I don't buy the teenage wasteland coming from 70+ year olds, too cynical now to believe it isn't more about marketing. A reunion at this point does not interest me in the least as the damage was done in 2018 with the absolutely pointless line up change (although admittedly, I enjoyed the Mask line up 30 years ago). In 2021, I prefer to live in the past as far as the band goes, but Lindsey's new material remains interesting and fresh and does spark my interest. I don't see Stevie really creating any compelling new music, but would love nothing better to be proven wrong as she was once my icon.

I've always been a fan of Fleetwood Mac, first and foremost. The individual solo output by the band's members have never been as good as what the band put out, generally. I've always found Lindsey's solo work to be too weird and difficult to find enjoyment out of and Christine's to be too repetitive and boring. That said, I think Stevie has released one incredible album (Bella Donna) and several great songs over the years afterward. But generally, especially after Wild Heart, her albums as a whole get lost in bad 80's production and terrible vocals...for me.

What I could never stand about this band was the forced soap opera aspect and constant fawning of fans over a relationship that lasted a few years and ended before many of them were even born. I could never understand people who dressed up like Stevie or gave her, or any other celebrity for that matter, some God-like level of adoration. Back to the relationship, there was some genuine affection with The Dance between Lindsey and Stevie but it became glaringly obvious starting with Say You Will that they were putting on a show. When grown ass adults would be saying things like "THEY BELONG TOGETTTTHHHERRRRR!!!!" and obsessing at a relationship that had ended over 30 years prior, it just always made me cringe. Love the music, love the fact that their interpersonal drama led to it's creation, but both the band and the fans just at times were grossly over the top about hanging on to something that wasn't there. I guess I enjoy the natural soap opera elements, but hate the engineered fake soap elements that they kept manufacturing over the last 20 years.

I think they're all hypocritical to some degree and they seem to go out of their way to make being a fan of them difficult and exhausting. That said, one of them forcing another out, at this stage of the game, was repulsive and totally off-putting. Then they got on TV and uncomfortably lied about the reasons and the details. The story has so many holes in it that swiss cheese wasn't an apt enough comparison. The timeline between MusicCares and Mike Campbell's phone call alone has never aligned well enough to satisfy any thought I might have that this was engineered over a longer duration and leveraged the death of Tom Petty (and for that matter, Glenn Frey - because if Azoff hadn't already seen that Eagles was a viable entity without Frey he would have never gone along with a Buckingham-less Mac at this stage of the game) to make it happen. In my opinion, Stevie's behavior has become increasingly intolerable over the last decade. She has flexed her star power over a band and called the shots whilst maintaining some image as the delicate flower who big bad Lindsey kicks around and makes sad. She went from being a lovable airhead to being a cold and calculating jerk.

I would not go and see the 2018 Fleetwood Mac tour. I know it was well attended and well received by the general public. And of course, per Azoff, the highest grossing tour (funny how he neglected to factor in time value of money in his statement to make it a true comparison). As a dedicated fan of Fleetwood Mac for my entire adult life, I am not John Q. Public and have a higher expectation for what I am going to pay a lot of money to see. When the reviews all called out "Don't Dream It's Over" and "Free Fallin'" as highlights, I knew I made the right call. For that matter, I have zero interest in seeing Stevie sing "Black Magic Woman" when so many of her own Fleetwood Mac songs go unheard.

So, I guess my answer is I've taken a side. I don't think it's really as easy a Lindsey or the rest though. Lindsey's new album is decent and his show a few weeks ago was so much fun. That said, I'm still not a fan of much of his production style and I sit there and think how much better some of the songs would be within the context of Fleetwood Mac. To me it's just disappointing to see senior citizens still acting in a way that demonstrates immaturity and a real lack of appreciation for their fanbase. I'd rather they just amicably called it a day and thanked the fans and moved on.

I still love the Mac and like David said, love all these old live releases that we've been getting. I rock out to that expanded Live album release all the time and many of the live songs they put out on the Deluxe Tusk album blew my mind.

I have to take a side. What Stevie did was evil.

It really was evil. She truly was thinking about NOBODY but herself. Not the other band members, or the fans, or the band legacy. Only thinking about her own spoiled ass.

She's become a horrible, horrible person.

The Crowded Petty house tour was the ONLY FM tour I've ever missed, because I had NO desire. She killed Fleetwood Mac.

When I got into FM it was during the Dance. My first show was the 2003 Toronto show. It was ok. I found Stevie's vocals at times to be very nasal. There were definite highlights like Beautiful Child, Eyes of The World, Say Goodbye to name a few.

In the beginning I was all about Stevie. I couldn't care less about anyone else in the band. But then I did start buying the albums of current and former members of FM and found much to enjoy. I do agree that Lindsey's solo work can at times be a bit too weird for my taste and I have a strong dislike for the distorted vocals he uses. I wish he would just sing normally. Having said that though I do enjoy allot of his solo work. Stevie I feel had 1 pretty good album with Bella Donna. Every album after has some really good songs but also some crap that I wonder how it ever made the cut. My favorite album of hers is TISL even though I would say BD is her best work.

The thing I find with the Stevie Nicks fans especially the ones on Social media is that they have a sick obsession with her where they act like they are her friend and or protector etc. from big bad Lindsey. They excuse every thing she has ever done no matter what. She stops a planned tour and or album from happening. She says dumb things up on stage or in the press and or says some cringeworthy things about Lindsey and or his family and the fans eat it up.

Lindsey is a flawed human being and certainly no saint but to see him get dumped on over and over by pathetic SN worshippers is kind of sad. Suddenly these people are medical experts in what makes a person a narcissist and or domestic abuser etc.

They are also some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet. They **** all over Lindsey for an alleged tour delay but had ZERO to say when SN stopped the 2012 tour and also stopped them from making a new album with or without Christine. They made an album in 2017 without her with NO drama to speak of.

Some of them were critical of Carol's book and yet now they quote it as the gospel truth. Same with GDW. The book is full of errors and yet they treat it like it's the god's honest truth and or that SN had a hand in the book.

There a tons of Facebook groups were SN cult members make absurd claims like Lindsey probably beats his wife and say things like it's no wonder she's divorcing him. They are all bent out of shape over his comments but have nothing to say for the endless immature or inappropriate comments SN has made over the years.

I can be a fan of someone but I am not one of those people who elevates any celebrity to a god like status. I can enjoy someone but still be critical. Stevie Nicks and for that matter anyone else in FM deserve to be both praised and criticized when necessary. There is nothing wrong with that and it shouldn't make you less of a fan.

I took the side of Lindsey back in 2018 because at this stage in the band's career I don't want another tour at sky high ticket prices that regurgitates the past. The cult was ****ting on Lindsey for playing small venues while FM played arenas yet when Mike Campbell announced a tour with his band The Dirty Knobs and he was booked in some of the exact same venues Lindsey played there was radio silence.

They know they have nothing on Lindsey that warranted his firing so they will say or do anything to minimize his talents or justify his firing even going so far as to cherry pick incidents from when Carter and Reagan were president.

They also suddenly play the whole the band has had many lineups this is just another lineup card and they act like they are and or were always big fans of any lineup that didn't have SN in it.

As someone else said when reviews were praising the cover songs I knew I had made the right decision to sit this one out.

One thing I find that shuts up some of the cult is when you throw it in their face that the current lineup is the ONLY lineup that hasn't produced ANY new music and they have had 3 plus years to do so.

Lindsey's albums may not sell much but at least he's being creative vs resting on the past.

I have found it hard to be a SN fan these past 10 years or so since we have mostly gotten nostalgia over and over and behavior that is increasingly hard to ignore or justify.

:thumbsup: And while Billy and Rick weren't on the Tango in the Night Album, they were performing NEW FM songs on the 87-88 Tour!

You don't celebrate FM's history by doing Finn and Petty songs.

Beach Boys got a new song done before their 50th Tour, Journey got a new song out before their 2020 lineup change and 2021 tour, and even FM did Sad Angel on Live 2013 Tour one month before we got to hear the recorded version.

They had no excuse not to make one song to accompany the 2018 Tour. Lazy.

Fleetwood Mac exists now as an oldies jukebox money making organization and even that venture( I hope ) is over. They are completely creatively bankrupt. FFS even ABBA's long ago divorced couples were able to come together and record a new album 40 years after their last one!

To which Azoff and Mick might reply, "As the classic Fleetwood Mac song goes, 'don't dream it's over'!"

ABBA always had a core dynamic for creating albums that was far more straight-forward and stable and than what Rumours FM has ever had.

Benny happily comes up with some music.
Bjorn happily comes up with some lyrics for it.
Agnetha and Frida happily need only come into the studio to lay vocals.
Benny, Bjorn and the engineers have fun perfecting the production in the studio.

Touring aside, ABBA might have happily persisted in making studio records post-divorces like FM if the boys had not wanted to focus on other pursuits and Agnetha had not been been driven to reclusiveness by excessive fan attention.

I take sides. I’m team Lindsey, even when it’s clear his personality is “much.”

I should say my disappointment with Stevie began when she slow rolled and then boycotted new Mac music—and her “I don’t understand their premise” comment regarding the LB/CM album that emerged despite her boycott. That disappointment became disgust when she played chess with her celebrity and got the band’s creative soul fired. Add astonishment to disgust when she released “Show Them the Way,” written from a point of view so delusional and tone deaf to the current National conversation about race and equity. She’s lost the proverbial plot. As a life-long fan of the band, I’m embarrassed by her.

Unlike some here, I am a fan of Lindsey’s solo music, have often preferred it to his Mac songs, am a fan of Christine’s music, and have loved about 10-12 Stevie solo songs from her entire catalogue.

New music is my main interest.

The I don't understand their premise remark was her thinking that fans did not know that LBCM songs were started on in 2014; her thinking is that fans thought Lindsey and Chris recorded the album solely in 2016 and 2017. As if the fans didn't see the LA Times piece in 2014 with Lindsey and Chris in the studio:lol:

Then she had an excuse that she had to get an album to Warner Brothers in 2014? Was that true?

The 24 Karat Gold Tour was necessary for her to do because she didn't get to tour the album it in 2014. Yet on the 24KG Tour she only did 3 songs from said album, whereas she did 6 songs live for IYD and TISL:confused:

Not a genuine individual. Snake.

Totes. Like totes.

Her "I don't understand their premise" is the equivalent of Mariah Carey's infamous "I don't know her" dig at Jennifer Lopez.

Remember when the Rumours group "finally" got back together in 1997 after 10 years apart? That same lineup only made ONE album together in the past almost 25 years and it was the one that coincided with their reunion. How many new Fleetwood Mac studio albums have been released in that same duration? ONE. In 2003!!! But at least we got the four song EP in 2013, right?

For me, it's not so much taking sides as it is looking at the band's situation from all sides. The sad state of affairs that's happened with Fleetwood Mac doesn't just lay at Stevie's boots. John and Mick deserve their share of the blame for bending to her will. Christine deserves scorn for not sticking up for Lindsey too. As much as Stevie's solo star shined 40 years ago, she shouldn't have ANY say if Lindsey was in or out of the band, especially since she clearly was not and has not been interested in making new music.

I know I shouldn't care about this band as much as I do but Fleetwood Mac is as much a part of my life as anything. You take it away from me and you're taking a huge part of my identity. I have every Fleetwood Mac album and have purchased all the recent deluxe releases. I'm one of the small percentage who love this band and through them became a fan of the likes of Billy and Bekka and bought their albums and music. I have Mick's solo albums and even have both of Todd Sharp and George Hawkins, Jr.'s solo work. If it hadn't been for Fleetwood Mac, I wouldn't have become a fan of John Stewart who is someone whose work I love and admire greatly. Even though I'm disgusted with Stevie, I still have her albums because I'm a sentimental fool who hates to part with memories. I'm not saying any of this to impress anyone, only to show just how much this band and its music means to me.

So while I shouldn't be mad, I still am because there's so much more that Fleetwood Mac could have produced in the past 25 years instead of what we got. On top of that, the person who helped make the band the success they were was tossed because of the whims of one person. It's so sad but it's probably why Lindsey's latest album has made such an impact on me. Without meaning to sound grim, the opportunity for these people to make music lessens each day. The chance for the five of them to do it together one last time should have been the top priority and now it's probably going to be a missed opportunity.

I echo your sentiments whole heartedly. They have not produced any new music because of one person who does not want to. The fact that so many of her cult members excuse the endless GH tours is beyond sad. I want new music and not an endless rehash of the past.

It would be one thing if their tour set lists were adventurous but they are not. It is always the same 12-15 songs and then a 6-7 deep cuts or new songs.

They are squandering what little time they have left to make a final Rumors 5 album.

With the songs SN has either never performed live or not in a long time it was a perfect opportunity for her to showcase some of those songs on the last tour but the ONLY song she did that was new was a cover of Black Magic Woman which she did not even know was a FM song.

Lindsey may never be the big solo star she was but at least he is being creative and making new music vs resting on the past.

You lit an urge in me — to find my Fresno (December 10, 1987) radio broadcast and listen to it, back to front. I kind of enjoyed it, especially “Seven Wonders,” “Say You Love Me,” “Rattlesnake Shake,” and “Over My Head.” I hadn’t heard this in probably twenty-five years.

This is the most accurate post I’ve ever read on this board.

Sounds like a Christine McVie lyric.

Maybe we should just make up and release our own new Fleetwood Mac songs.

I agree, well stated.

Stevie fell off my radar in a very gradual way. Between 2005-2008 I was in college. Between ticket prices and really stale setlists, I just quit going to see her on those solo tours. I saw her once in 2005 and that was the last time I saw her solo.

Witnessing a potential follow-up album to SYW be discussed and never happen and then watching all efforts for a Fleetwood Mac album in 2009, 2013, 2015 being blocked by her really disappointed me.

Also, the personality shift that occurred around 2011 with the passing of her mother was, IMO, quite noticeable. The ego really took off to new heights around that time.

I attended 2014/2015 Fleetwood Mac shows to primarily see Christine and Lindsey.

It's a bummer because I was a really big Stevie fan, but the way things evolved caused me to lose all respect and interest. It's no secret that Lindsey is no saint and his past has numerous troublesome spots. I'm just not somebody who subscribes to Stevie being completely innocent in every single circumstance. They've both thrown an incredible amount of daggers at each other over the years.

I would say my allegiances were 50/50 between Stevie and Lindsey until about 10 years ago. And I always preferred Fleetwood Mac to either Stevie and Lindsey's music. My wish would always be for a band album over any solo album. Live shows too. I was never one of those people saying, "Oh, I just love the intimacy of a solo concert." I like the magic of a stadium with 10,000 people. I always think of the 5 of them in that setting, even though I appreciate their solo shows and albums.

With Stevie, I always thought her personality was delusional and extra, but I also thought she was very funny. Her talking words gave me pleasure and her music ignited imagination, longing, gave substance in feeling to what could not be put into words.

But now I just hate her. She did not just dry up creatively, she dammed the river flow to make sure the band went dry too, acted with mindboggling cruelty towards Lindsey and ... it's just all cringe all the time.

Christine, eh. My base feelings for Christine never change, even when I'm mad at her. Such beauty. Such beauty. I've been wooed beyond the sun coming up. Wooed for eternity.

Lindsey, well, alpha and omega.

I think Mick deserves to be living under a freeway overpass. I would like to know more about John. I feel like we used to know him and haven't for decades.

I guess I'm weak and treacherous though, because I would still like a goodbye from the five of them all together.

THIS.

I agree, I used to find Stevie to be a funny, stoned, ditzy hippie.

But Mama so full of herself now, she's unbearable.

A few more months without whiff of a new tour and he probably will be.

"Vagabond is an ugly term. In truth, I am on a one-man tour celebrating the perpetual anniversary of Rumours. Travelling the world with two sticks and a wine bottle."

I’m still surprised at all the hatred that’s geared towards Stevie and Mick, while Christine and John get off unscathed. Especially with Mick, considering that he’s the reason we ever got any new Fleetwood Mac music after Mirage. He was the one who corralled everyone for Tango in the Night; he was the one who kept the band going with Rick and Billy for the tour when Lindsey took off; and I’m sure he was instrumental in getting the Dance special done, which resulted in their incredible revival. Plus many other things, too, including being the one member who wanted the Live album to be released, and with that unusual song listing. His importance to the band goes way beyond forming it… he kept it going long after, while John and Christine showed up when needed. They kept Lindsey out when they could have stood with him. But, like Mick, they refused to, and yet Mick and Stevie are solely the ones where the hatred flows.

bwboy you are right on the mark. I met Mick in 1996 and he did put things into motion for the Dance reunion starting with a dinner with the band. If John and Christine would have refused to tour on their last outing without Lindsey it wouldn’t have happened.

Oh, I think I've given Christine more than her fair share of grief. She was ALWAYS my favorite member. My illusions began to shatter when it was revealed(yes, there are other theories) that SHE was the one who kept Bob Welch out of the R&RHOF. That was criminal!!! Then when she didn't stand up for Lindsey during his firing...well, she's no better than any of them. That said, and I stand behind it - they're older than dirt. They might just not have that much fight left in them.

John? I think he's the smartest one of them all. It's a high paying gig. He probably thinks they're all idiots. But shows up to collect his paycheck, then gets the Hell out of Dodge.

The band should not have toured without Lindsey. It’s that plain and simple. Their decision to do so was based on greed and an immediate pay day. Nonetheless, we should not underestimate how toxic the fighting between LB and SN must have been. Christine expressed astonishment in a Rolling Stone interview in 2015 because the two were still fighting about matters that “should have been resolved a long time ago.” So, in essence, the core trio of Brits did what they always have—they soldiered on. I don’t remotely accept the new lineup and feel that trio should have thrown in the cards, but I DO place the blame for its emergence squarely on Stevie—and also on Lindsey. But far more on Stevie. She engineered it.

Maybe Lindsey should have fired himself in 2012 when he realized an album wasn't going to happen.:laugh: