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Macfan4life 07-18-2021 12:42 PM

Bella Donna 40th anniversary
 
In the studio with Redbeard. I love how she always exaggerates and says she only got 2 songs for Tango In The Night. In any event, this thread is to celebrate its 40th anniversary for Bella Donna. IMHO, its one of the best albums of the 80's decade. Come in......out of the darkness

https://www.inthestudio.net/online-o...la-donna-40th/

HomerMcvie 07-18-2021 12:58 PM

One of the greatest albums of all time!

Macfan4life 07-18-2021 02:34 PM

July 27, 1981 is the official release date. A horrific incident happened that day and Adam Walsh was kidnapped outside Sears in Hollywood, FL.
The summer of 1981 had incredible music. I remember Styx dominating the charts and also REO Speedwagon.

Bella Donna would stay on the charts for years and the singles would be on the charts until Mirage was issued the following year. It sold so well that in 1983, according to Billboard it sold more copies than The Wild Heart. In 1983 Bella Donna finished the year at #61 and The Wild Heart at #80. That is an incredible statistic since The Wild Heart peaked at #5 with huge sellers Thriller and Flashdance just above it.

https://www.billboard.com/charts/yea...ard-200-albums

HomerMcvie 07-18-2021 03:58 PM

Because Bella Donna is a perfect album(as is Rumours). The Wild Heart isn't.

Macfan4life 07-18-2021 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1268233)
Because Bella Donna is a perfect album(as is Rumours). The Wild Heart isn't.

Oddly enough, I bought Bella Donna before Wild Heart during the summer of 1983 even though Wild Heart was on the charts and I was going to Stevie's solo concert that summer. I did not buy Wild Heart until Dec 1983.
It really is a brilliant album and flawless. The writing, the singing, the music.

HomerMcvie 07-18-2021 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1268240)
Oddly enough, I bought Bella Donna before Wild Heart during the summer of 1983 even though Wild Heart was on the charts and I was going to Stevie's solo concert that summer. I did not buy Wild Heart until Dec 1983.
It really is a brilliant album and flawless. The writing, the singing, the music.

As I've said a thousand times, it sounds like The Eagles are her backing band.

Too bad $he strayed from that sound. :lol:

BombaySapphire3 07-18-2021 09:49 PM

The last great California rock album of the classic era. She would hold it together for Mirage and then the slide would begin.:distress:

jbrownsjr 07-19-2021 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1268247)
The last great California rock album of the classic era. She would hold it together for Mirage and then the slide would begin.:distress:

I love that album. Her voice now is so bad compared to this style of singing. Even the song writing is a disaster compared to her early work.

On Ice 07-19-2021 09:28 AM

Bella Donna set the bar so high on quality- it got everything right although so many other great songs of the era went into the vault. An amazing album start to finish. Her solo career careened off a cliff 2 or so odd years later when she became overwhelmed with her worst excesses. As with many devoted fans she lost me several times over the years and I haven't seen her live solo since 1991. But I remain a fan because of this album and some of the highlights on the others. The Wild Heart features some of her very best vocals, oddly enough with Gate and Garden a solo career highpoint.

Macfan4life 07-19-2021 09:56 AM

You know you have a great album when gems like Gold and Braid are on the cutting room floor as left overs. She could have put Sleeping Angel, Smile At You and even Gypsy on the album. Good grief, could you imagine if she made a double album at this time with all the left overs? She was on top of her game vocally and also in physical looks.
Another group that reminds me of the summer of 1981 is Foreigner with 2 monster hits Urgent and Waiting For A Girl Like You. Bella Donna would have stayed at #1 longer but there just was too much good music that everyone needed a time at #1.

bombaysaffires 07-19-2021 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1268255)
You know you have a great album when gems like Gold and Braid are on the cutting room floor as left overs. She could have put Sleeping Angel, Smile At You and even Gypsy on the album. Good grief, could you imagine if she made a double album at this time with all the left overs? She was on top of her game vocally and also in physical looks.
Another group that reminds me of the summer of 1981 is Foreigner with 2 monster hits Urgent and Waiting For A Girl Like You. Bella Donna would have stayed at #1 longer but there just was too much good music that everyone needed a time at #1.

and yet none of those surfaced on Wild Heart, Rock A Little, Other Side of the Mirror.......

BombaySapphire3 07-19-2021 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1268250)
I love that album. Her voice now is so bad compared to this style of singing. Even the song writing is a disaster compared to her early work.

That and she has become so detached from reality that she can't distinguish if something is good or not. Show Them the Way is dreadful and she thinks it is great. She really should just retire.

michelej1 07-20-2021 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by On Ice (Post 1268254)
The Wild Heart features some of her very best vocals, oddly enough with Gate and Garden a solo career highpoint.

I agree that Wild Heart has the best vocals. She absolutely soars. If you’d just asked me, I would not have said that Gate and Garden was the high point. But now that you said it I cannot deny the perfection of the “do I love you” segments. I just don’t think of them first. I think of the title track first.

Macfan4life 07-20-2021 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1268271)
I agree that Wild Heart has the best vocals. She absolutely soars. If you’d just asked me, I would not have said that Gate and Garden was the high point. But now that you said it I cannot deny the perfection of the “do I love you” segments. I just don’t think of them first. I think of the title track first.

I hate the song Gate and Garden. IMHO it always ruined the flow of the album. However I see why it made the album. Her vocal is incredible and Roy's playing makes it a bouncy cute song. Its arranged pretty well too. I just never could get into it. I still hate it though and would have put 10 other songs in its place.

jbrownsjr 07-20-2021 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1268271)
I agree that Wild Heart has the best vocals. She absolutely soars. If you’d just asked me, I would not have said that Gate and Garden was the high point. But now that you said it I cannot deny the perfection of the “do I love you” segments. I just don’t think of them first. I think of the title track first.

Gate and Garden sneaks up on you. Not my "go to", but I really appreciate how good it is now.

aleuzzi 07-20-2021 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1268233)
Because Bella Donna is a perfect album(as is Rumours). The Wild Heart isn't.

I see why it’s widely regarded her best solo album. I’ve never been a huge fan of it as a sequence of songs but certain songs on it blow me away.

Still, I suppose my ambiguity about the record comes from my having bought it after Mirage and TWH. By around early 1984, I was pretty much over my Stevie obsession and had thrown myself into early Mac records—and anything featuring Christine.

My biggest complaint about BD is the decision to leave “Gold and Braid” off of it because it’s such a great song and vocal. Not a bad complaint to have!

Also, “How Still My Love” (along with “Trouble”) is the best non-Mac Fleetwood Mac song of the eighties.

jbrownsjr 07-20-2021 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1268279)
I see why it’s widely regarded her best solo album. I’ve never been a huge fan of it as a sequence of songs but certain songs on it blow me away.

Still, I suppose my ambiguity about the record comes from my having bought it after Mirage and TWH. By around early 1984, I was pretty much over my Stevie obsession and had thrown myself into early Mac records—and anything featuring Christine.

My biggest complaint about BD is the decision to leave “Gold and Braid” off of it because it’s such a great song and vocal. Not a bad complaint to have!

Also, “How Still My Love” (along with “Trouble”) is the best non-Mac Fleetwood Mac song of the eighties.

And Got A Hold On Me is nothing to sneeze at! :D

Macfan4life 07-20-2021 02:59 PM

Interesting. There are only 2 songs from Bella Donna that were never played in concert.
Kind of Woman and The Highway Man.

Kind of Woman would make an excellent choice in any set esp with Stevie's limited vocal range these days. After the title track, it really kept the momentum going on the album. Very haunting song about worrying about Lindsey straying on the road. Epic. So very Stevie. I love how she almost whispers.....unless she matters to you
I think the Highwayman has a really good chorus and I always love a song that tells a story. Its a great closer. Another song that should have been played somewhere down the line on a tour.

I think Stevie has been kinda haunting Lindsey his whole life :eek:

HomerMcvie 07-20-2021 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1268279)
I see why it’s widely regarded her best solo album. I’ve never been a huge fan of it as a sequence of songs but certain songs on it blow me away.

Okay, I'm dating myself(I still date myself daily!:eek::lol:), but Bella Donna is literally the LAST 8 track I ever purchased. And, the sequencing was different than the album. It STILL throws me off when I listen to it, because it's not the song order I learned.

HomerMcvie 07-20-2021 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1268282)
Interesting. There are only 2 songs from Bella Donna that were never played in concert.
Kind of Woman and The Highway Man.


I think Stevie has been kinda haunting Lindsey his whole life :eek:

I could have sworn I've heard Kind Of Woman before live....:confused:

Almost any time I sit down at a piano, I play KOW. That riff sounds so ~classical~, and someone always axes me what it is.

I freaking LOVE The Highwayman!

Lindsey said he thought $tevie was just gassy, not actually haunting him.

David 07-20-2021 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1268287)
I freaking LOVE The Highwayman!

Yes, I love that one too, Dave. It’s a great sing-along song. It’s really quite moving. Pure romance.

In fact, I wish Stevie had sung it on the Wild Heart tour. Would have been one of the highlights.

aleuzzi 07-20-2021 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1268281)
And Got A Hold On Me is nothing to sneeze at! :D

I should have added “Smile I Live For,” which is a pretty amazing non-Mac Mac song.

HomerMcvie 07-20-2021 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1268295)
I should have added “Smile I Live For,” which is a pretty amazing non-Mac Mac song.

And it's easier to sing, at her age.

Macfan4life 07-21-2021 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1268286)
Okay, I'm dating myself(I still date myself daily!:eek::lol:), but Bella Donna is literally the LAST 8 track I ever purchased. And, the sequencing was different than the album. It STILL throws me off when I listen to it, because it's not the song order I learned.

Interesting. Now I am curious. What was the song sequence?

If Stevie ever tours again and plays Kind of Woman, maybe you can be her piano player. How about a dueling piano tour. You on Kind of Woman and Stevie on Rhiannon and you guys battle away in front of the audience.

:)

HomerMcvie 07-21-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1268305)
Interesting. Now I am curious. What was the song sequence?

If Stevie ever tours again and plays Kind of Woman, maybe you can be her piano player. How about a dueling piano tour. You on Kind of Woman and Stevie on Rhiannon and you guys battle away in front of the audience.

:)

I don't remember, other than Kind of Woman wasn't second. I think Stop Dragging was. As we don't miss dated technology the minute it's dated, we give sh*t away. I gave all my 8 tracks away a 100 years ago. And always regretted giving them away. As I'm sure you know, 8 tracks often had a different song order, as the songs had to fit into 4 "programs". In other words, you couldn't have more than one $tevie song per program.:p

I did manage to buy a Rumours 8 track in a thrift store a couple years ago. I don't have a way of playing it, but I like having it. I actually saw another one this past Saturday, but didn't buy it.

Now that might be the RUDEST thing anyone has ever said to me!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:





:lol::lol::lol:

Macfan4life 07-21-2021 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1268311)
I don't remember, other than Kind of Woman wasn't second. I think Stop Dragging was. As we don't miss dated technology the minute it's dated, we give sh*t away. I gave all my 8 tracks away a 100 years ago. And always regretted giving them away. As I'm sure you know, 8 tracks often had a different song order, as the songs had to fit into 4 "programs". In other words, you couldn't have more than one $tevie song per program.:p

I did manage to buy a Rumours 8 track in a thrift store a couple years ago. I don't have a way of playing it, but I like having it. I actually saw another one this past Saturday, but didn't buy it.

Now that might be the RUDEST thing anyone has ever said to me!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:





:lol::lol::lol:

Going back to Kind of Woman. I remember listening to Bella Donna (album) the first time. The title track is such a strong song but then you never know what to expect second track. Kind of Woman kept the momentum going. Its a fantastic musical track but very bewitching and a classic Stevie song. Then SDMHA, Think About It...... the great songs just kept coming.
Edge of 17 has been played the most in concert. But SDMHA and How Still My Love could be tied for second.
Have you ever heard the How Still My Love outtake. Its incredible and I'm sure it was a tough decision to decide which version to put on the album. Similar situation with Sable On Blonde. So powerful. They probably made the right decision but I love this version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSlTlHhWP30

HomerMcvie 07-21-2021 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1268313)
Going back to Kind of Woman. I remember listening to Bella Donna (album) the first time. The title track is such a strong song but then you never know what to expect second track. Kind of Woman kept the momentum going. Its a fantastic musical track but very bewitching and a classic Stevie song. Then SDMHA, Think About It...... the great songs just kept coming.
Edge of 17 has been played the most in concert. But SDMHA and How Still My Love could be tied for second.
Have you ever heard the How Still My Love outtake. Its incredible and I'm sure it was a tough decision to decide which version to put on the album. Similar situation with Sable On Blonde. So powerful. They probably made the right decision but I love this version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSlTlHhWP30

I have never heard that outtake. I like it! So funky!
I can picture Bob Glaub's head jerking around like a chicken during the entire thing. Sorry, he almost ruins watching the White Winged Dove tour DVD for me, with his constant head movement. He looks ridiculous.

BigAl84 07-21-2021 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1268279)
I see why it’s widely regarded her best solo album. I’ve never been a huge fan of it as a sequence of songs but certain songs on it blow me away.

Still, I suppose my ambiguity about the record comes from my having bought it after Mirage and TWH. By around early 1984, I was pretty much over my Stevie obsession and had thrown myself into early Mac records—and anything featuring Christine.

My biggest complaint about BD is the decision to leave “Gold and Braid” off of it because it’s such a great song and vocal. Not a bad complaint to have!

Also, “How Still My Love” (along with “Trouble”) is the best non-Mac Fleetwood Mac song of the eighties.

You're not alone. Even in my Stevie Nicks fandom heyday, I always thought the hype around Bella Donna was a little overblown. The second half of that record drags a$$ IMO. Kind of Woman, Think About It, and The Highwayman are all run-of-the-mill, not standout tracks IMO. Sleeping Angel and Golden Braid would have improved the album immensely. Even the studio version of Outside The Rain seems really lacking compared to what it became live.

The fact that she had such immense help from the heartbreakers, jimmy, and Don Henley is what really elevated the material on that record. The lack of their involvement is really evident when listening to Wild Heart.

jbrownsjr 07-21-2021 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1268321)
You're not alone. Even in my Stevie Nicks fandom heyday, I always thought the hype around Bella Donna was a little overblown. The second half of that record drags a$$ IMO. Kind of Woman, Think About It, and The Highwayman are all run-of-the-mill, not standout tracks IMO. Sleeping Angel and Golden Braid would have improved the album immensely. Even the studio version of Outside The Rain seems really lacking compared to what it became live.

The fact that she had such immense help from the heartbreakers, jimmy, and Don Henley is what really elevated the material on that record. The lack of their involvement is really evident when listening to Wild Heart.

YOU KNOCK IT OFF!! :lol: I'll defend STEVIE NICKS til the day I die!!!
(As you may have learned, I'm not really good at it)

But I do love Think About It, Kind Of Woman. Would have loved Golden Braid. I think Jimmy Iovine felt it was a bit boring, too. That's why he added some of the Heartbreakers stuff.

aleuzzi 07-23-2021 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1268323)
YOU KNOCK IT OFF!! :lol: I'll defend STEVIE NICKS til the day I die!!!
(As you may have learned, I'm not really good at it)

But I do love Think About It, Kind Of Woman. Would have loved Golden Braid. I think Jimmy Iovine felt it was a bit boring, too. That's why he added some of the Heartbreakers stuff.

Never been a huge “Think About It” fan. Though I dig the vibe of the run-through of it on the RUMOURS DELUXE reissue. And the line “Heartbreak of the moment is not endless” is so silly I love to quote it.

jbrownsjr 07-23-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1268371)
Never been a huge “Think About It” fan. Though I dig the vibe of the run-through of it on the RUMOURS DELUXE reissue. And the line “Heartbreak of the moment is not endless” is so silly I love to quote it.

Because you've never woke up in the velvet of the morning. And then stared at the stairs wondering where the hell you were!!

David 07-23-2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1268375)
Because you've never woke up in the velvet of the morning. And then stared at the stairs wondering where the hell you were!!

We are Flintstones kids — ten million strong . . . and growing.

Macfan4life 07-23-2021 03:42 PM

I love Think About It. Stevie rarely writes such uplifting songs and I relish in it. The line that always got me was "Even when you think your life is fading, I know that you'll go on forever.... your're that good."
OMG that line stayed with me through lots of tough times. Equally cool is the official dedication to Christine on the liner notes.
But to tell the truth, I've always wanted to step out into the velvet of the morning. That sounds too good to be true. My mornings are never velvet. They are more leather and lace.

aleuzzi 07-23-2021 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1268375)
Because you've never woke up in the velvet of the morning. And then stared at the stairs wondering where the hell you were!!

Instead, I was crying’ in the morning, tryna’ be strong. I had to learn to be a stranger.

jbrownsjr 07-25-2021 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1268384)
Instead, I was crying’ in the morning, tryna’ be strong. I had to learn to be a stranger.

Ok the "I had to learn to be a stranger" made me scream!!!

That's really funny. Why the f(** does one need to learn to be a stranger??? hahahahahahah. Are there classes for that?

aleuzzi 07-26-2021 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1268397)
Ok the "I had to learn to be a stranger" made me scream!!!

That's really funny. Why the f(** does one need to learn to be a stranger??? hahahahahahah. Are there classes for that?

I know, right? Maybe Bob Dylan teaches such classes.

HomerMcvie 07-26-2021 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1268405)
I know, right? Maybe Bob Dylan teaches such classes.

I wonder if $he regrets making the Bob Dylan comment?

Does $he realize that $he's not even a pimple on Bob Dylan's ass?

Nope. I'm sure $he doesn't.

mitzo 07-26-2021 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1268407)
I wonder if $he regrets making the Bob Dylan comment?

Does $he realize that $he's not even a pimple on Bob Dylan's ass?

Nope. I'm sure $he doesn't.

It is unlikely she regrets that or anything else, really. She is extremely wealthy and has had remarkable fame, pulling others along in her wake.

HomerMcvie 07-26-2021 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1268408)
It is unlikely she regrets that or anything else, really. She is extremely wealthy and has had remarkable fame, pulling others along in her wake.

Go throw some darts at your Lindsey dart board.




:wavey::lol::wavey::lol::wavey:

BombaySapphire3 07-26-2021 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1268408)
It is unlikely she regrets that or anything else, really. She is extremely wealthy and has had remarkable fame, pulling others along in her wake.

Or he could have accepted the offer to join Fleetwood Mas as first offered on his own and left her to the waitressing job at Clementine's .At best she would be a retired grade school teacher now living on her Calpers pension and playing bingo at the local senior center.


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