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secret love 07-21-2018 07:07 PM

New solo album - yes or no?
 
Will Stevie release any new music before she carks it?

At the very least she should release My Mother's Rings which she wrote where Barbara died.

Tango 07-21-2018 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1232847)
Will Stevie release any new music before she carks it?

At the very least she should release My Mother's Rings which she wrote where Barbara died.

I had to look up the expression "carks it".

Verb. (third-person singular simple present carks it, present participle carking it, simple past and past participle carked it) (UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, slang) To die. The guy was running, then he had a heart attack and carked it.

Wow. I don't know. What do you think secret love? You say she should, but do you think she will?

mitzo 07-21-2018 10:34 PM

I have a feeling she will not. Low sales and I think she has no recording contract anymore after 24KG fulfilled her requirements for the last one. She will not bother if they won't sell well.

It is sad to see someone with such a massive back catalogue of unreleased songs, many of which are brilliant, fade out with only 8 albums to her credit. She could have 8 more.

ahafan02 07-22-2018 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1232855)
I have a feeling she will not. Low sales and I think she has no recording contract anymore after 24KG fulfilled her requirements for the last one. She will not bother if they won't sell well.

It is sad to see someone with such a massive back catalogue of unreleased songs, many of which are brilliant, fade out with only 8 albums to her credit. She could have 8 more.


Never say never, she might. She certainly doesn't seem interested in it tho.

annabellee 07-22-2018 12:22 PM

I have a feeling that she may try to do something solo (album or tour) to reingratiate herself to the masses after this last Fleetwood Mac debacle. I'm hoping for a recording, but will probably just get a concert.

dreamsunwind 07-22-2018 05:36 PM

I don't think she will. Lack of sales really got to her, she even said so herself recently that she doesn't even write as much anymore since no one wants to buy new music. She'll probably continue to do collabs like the Lana del Rey and Leann Rimes songs and little things here and there like the Gypsy rerecording and that one movie theme song, but I don't think she'll do a new album/new music. Maybe later down the line she'll release another Crystal Visions type of thing with some bonus 'new' songs/rercorded old demos but I really don't see her putting out a new album with new material. Obviously I could be wrong though.

editme2 07-22-2018 09:40 PM

I think she should just focus on singles. Don't stress about a full album. Put out two or three good songs as they're ready, and be satisfied that you're making your true fans happy.

Phil 07-23-2018 07:52 AM

Don't rule out a 'Stevie Nicks & The Heartbreakers' album at some stage. A dream come true for Stevie and an ongoing gig for the band.
That said, I've mostly enjoyed her one-off side projects such as "Your Hand", "Beautiful People, Beautiful Problems", "Gypsy" and "Borrowed" (which I just realised I've already listened to 89 times on iTunes!).
The upcoming collaborations with Mike Campbell could be promising because she'll no longer be getting his scraps that Tom didn't want. Having said that, I'd be more than intrigued with the results of any work undertaken between her and Neil Finn - such a duo could be astounding.

snroxman 07-23-2018 09:28 AM

re:I think she should just focus on singles. Don't stress about a full album. Put out two or three good songs as they're ready, and be satisfied that you're making your true fans happy.

This!! Other artists are doing the same. This would be more economical and satisfying for fans.

mitzo 07-23-2018 09:40 AM

My ideal would be a 24KG2, but it is really unlikely I guess. We will probably get another retrospective concert or box set or something at some point. Don't know why she is so afraid of recording, 24KG took only like 2 weeks and received critical acclaim. Maybe she hates to pay for the production and not profit.

petep9000 07-23-2018 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1232907)
Don't know why she is so afraid of recording.

Because her recorded voice sounds so bad now?

David 07-23-2018 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by editme2 (Post 1232894)
I think she should just focus on singles. Don't stress about a full album. Put out two or three good songs as they're ready, and be satisfied that you're making your true fans happy.

That's a good idea. The other thing she might find the inclination to do now (after talking about it for four decades) is a children's book with music or a Rhiannon treatment with music.

mitzo 07-23-2018 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by petep9000 (Post 1232929)
Because her recorded voice sounds so bad now?

She is better in the studio than live! Listen to her latest collaborations and she sounds pretty good, with Rimes, Del Rey, and with Lady Antebellum. Her song from the movie Hands was really well done too. With the appropriate production and guidance she can still spin a good web on a recording.

paleshadow 07-24-2018 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1232938)
She is better in the studio than live! Listen to her latest collaborations and she sounds pretty good, with Rimes, Del Rey, and with Lady Antebellum. Her song from the movie Hands was really well done too. With the appropriate production and guidance she can still spin a good web on a recording.


She does sound good on those collaborations, but IMO she sounded heinous on 24K Gold, with a few exceptions. Where as I thought she sounded great on In Your Dreams. If she were to do another 24K Gold, I really think she should just have the old demos remastered and then maybe add 2 brand new songs rather than re-recording the old stuff.

mitzo 07-24-2018 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by paleshadow (Post 1232981)
She does sound good on those collaborations, but IMO she sounded heinous on 24K Gold, with a few exceptions. Where as I thought she sounded great on In Your Dreams. If she were to do another 24K Gold, I really think she should just have the old demos remastered and then maybe add 2 brand new songs rather than re-recording the old stuff.

She was great on many 24KG tracks and tired and strained on others, probably due to the compressed recording schedule. I love the album anyway and would heartily welcome a sequel. No old demo releases for me thanks.

bwboy 07-24-2018 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by paleshadow (Post 1232981)
She does sound good on those collaborations, but IMO she sounded heinous on 24K Gold, with a few exceptions. Where as I thought she sounded great on In Your Dreams. If she were to do another 24K Gold, I really think she should just have the old demos remastered and then maybe add 2 brand new songs rather than re-recording the old stuff.

I think I agree with this idea. I couldn't get into 24K and I think it was because of her voice and the production. A number of songs sounded alike to me. I would love to hear more unreleased songs, like on her Enchanted set- Reconsider Me is a perfect example.

dreamsunwind 07-24-2018 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1232992)
I think I agree with this idea. I couldn't get into 24K and I think it was because of her voice and the production. A number of songs sounded alike to me. I would love to hear more unreleased songs, like on her Enchanted set- Reconsider Me is a perfect example.

24KG was recorded in a really short amount of time and you could tell if you ask me plus the fact that they were trying to make the songs sound as close to the demos as possible which I think wasn't a good idea since there's a big difference between a demo and a completed track and her voice sounded so different then. I think those two things together was the main issue with that album. I also think the EP suffered from that same problem.

TheWildHeart67 07-25-2018 08:26 AM

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24KG was recorded in a really short amount of time and you could tell if you ask me plus the fact that they were trying to make the songs sound as close to the demos as possible which I think wasn't a good idea since there's a big difference between a demo and a completed track and her voice sounded so different then. I think those two things together was the main issue with that album. I also think the EP suffered from that same problem.
But many, like myself, don't find her vocals a problem on 24KG. This not just coming from a Fan's perspective. Many reviews of the album by music critics published rave reviews for the album. I feel the quick production of the album worked in it's favor. The title track is now one of my all-time favorite songs from her. I adore how the song begins with that bass guitar riff, then the drums coming on, followed by the full band coming in. Her vocals sound awesome in the song, as well, IMO. I also LOVE how "Belle Fleur" takes a full minute before the first vocals come in. I really love the album.

Feather Blade 07-25-2018 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1233005)
But many, like myself, don't find her vocals a problem on 24KG. This not just coming from a Fan's perspective. Many reviews of the album by music critics published rave reviews for the album. I feel the quick production of the album worked in it's favor. The title track is now one of my all-time favorite songs from her. I adore how the song begins with that bass guitar riff, then the drums coming on, followed by the full band coming in. Her vocals sound awesome in the song, as well, IMO. I also LOVE how "Belle Fleur" takes a full minute before the first vocals come in. I really love the album.

I love the title track as well! I would love to hear another solo effort from her, though I imagine she will be busy with FM for the foreseeable future. My thoughts on someone's suggestion above to just remaster the original demos rather than record new ones is that I'd rather not see that from a living artist. If someone can still perform, I prefer that they do. Save old performances for if someone is gone and that's all we have available. Ideally, I'd like to hear some brand new songs from her. I'm curious about the My Mother's Rings song for example.

mitzo 07-25-2018 09:24 AM

Agree with the 24KG fans here for sure. The album has weak spots, they all do. But the great thing about it, in contrast to eg. TISL or IYD, is that it is all Stevie all the time, really, no cowrites trying too hard to be radio hits, no covers, just a blast of her unique perspectives and genius. Plus it has more than one juicy ballad, my favourite genre from her always. They really suit her current vocal abilities.

If she did a sequel I would grab it instantly. I hope she does.

dreamsunwind 07-25-2018 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1233005)
But many, like myself, don't find her vocals a problem on 24KG. This not just coming from a Fan's perspective. Many reviews of the album by music critics published rave reviews for the album. I feel the quick production of the album worked in it's favor. The title track is now one of my all-time favorite songs from her. I adore how the song begins with that bass guitar riff, then the drums coming on, followed by the full band coming in. Her vocals sound awesome in the song, as well, IMO. I also LOVE how "Belle Fleur" takes a full minute before the first vocals come in. I really love the album.

And there are also many, as the thread's discussion shows, who do think her vocals weren't at their finest on the album and that's what my post was referring to :angel:.

JohnL 07-26-2018 12:28 PM

I personally hope she does put out a solo album or a string of strong singles...but I hope it is after the FM tour and at least the release of a few songs from this new line up. I want to hear what they sound like in the studio. I think it will be AMAZING!!

Feather Blade 07-26-2018 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnL (Post 1233097)
I personally hope she does put out a solo album or a string of strong singles...but I hope it is after the FM tour and at least the release of a few songs from this new line up. I want to hear what they sound like in the studio. I think it will be AMAZING!!

I second this. New music from the band would be great!

Nick 07-26-2018 05:24 PM

Totally agree. I need to hear Stevie and Christine together again on new songs!

tabruns 07-30-2018 12:07 PM

I thought Nicks has said that she wants to do "Songs From the Vault Vol. 2"?

David 07-30-2018 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1232990)
She was great on many 24KG tracks and tired and strained on others, probably due to the compressed recording schedule. I love the album anyway and would heartily welcome a sequel. No old demo releases for me thanks.

Sometimes she puts down a classic studio vocal and it doesn't really catch on. It's Only Love was one. Her modern singer laurels could rest on that.

mitzo 07-31-2018 08:18 PM

Stevie really benefitted from working with Dave Stewart, he got her recording and creating again. Sadly, the word is that she was angry at his memoirs and so the relationship is over. This means she has nobody to work with on any new material.

dreamsunwind 07-31-2018 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1233260)
Stevie really benefitted from working with Dave Stewart, he got her recording and creating again. Sadly, the word is that she was angry at his memoirs and so the relationship is over. This means she has nobody to work with on any new material.

I could've sworn I read something where he said Stevie was okay with him sharing about the past they had.
Either way I don't think she's 'mad' at him about that or anything particular but I do think that he's pretty much done with because that's just usually how it is with Stevie and her producers-- for whatever reason they just don't last. I also think (but this is just my own speculation) that she was pretty upset over what she likely took as poor sales for IYD and especially 24KG and maybe later on internally placed some blame on him for it? Especially after 24KG, she might've been thinking to herself how that was her second album in a row with him and it's sold even worse. She also wasn't very happy about the rushed recording process.

For me personally I won't really miss it, even though Stevie obviously did enjoy recording with him very much at the time, I just never really cared for a lot of his production on her songs. To me it was quite generic. But that might just be me, I haven't liked much of the production on most of Stevie's solo work in a long, long time.

Nathan 08-01-2018 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1233005)
But many, like myself, don't find her vocals a problem on 24KG. This not just coming from a Fan's perspective. Many reviews of the album by music critics published rave reviews for the album. I feel the quick production of the album worked in it's favor. The title track is now one of my all-time favorite songs from her. I adore how the song begins with that bass guitar riff, then the drums coming on, followed by the full band coming in. Her vocals sound awesome in the song, as well, IMO. I also LOVE how "Belle Fleur" takes a full minute before the first vocals come in. I really love the album.

I love the intro to Belle Fluer too. And who would’ve ever thought of adding a banjo?! Good one.

I also thought All The Beautiful Worlds sounded remarkably like an 80s vocal.

I really did not care for the redo of If You Were My Love though. Among other things, I think the “my hands reach for numbers” line should have stayed in. I found it delightfully old fashioned.

Did anyone else find the addition of the Lady Antebellum guy on Blue Water a little weird? I really thought she didn’t like him very much after all of his goofiness on Crossroads... Plus, I think she ruined one of her best ballads - Blue Water was always to me a meditation on loneliness. It sucks the sadness out to put some weird blues background vocal and drums on it... Maybe it’s a Nashville thing though.

mitzo 08-01-2018 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1233278)
I could've sworn I read something where he said Stevie was okay with him sharing about the past they had.
Either way I don't think she's 'mad' at him about that or anything particular but I do think that he's pretty much done with because that's just usually how it is with Stevie and her producers-- for whatever reason they just don't last. I also think (but this is just my own speculation) that she was pretty upset over what she likely took as poor sales for IYD and especially 24KG and maybe later on internally placed some blame on him for it? Especially after 24KG, she might've been thinking to herself how that was her second album in a row with him and it's sold even worse. She also wasn't very happy about the rushed recording process.

For me personally I won't really miss it, even though Stevie obviously did enjoy recording with him very much at the time, I just never really cared for a lot of his production on her songs. To me it was quite generic. But that might just be me, I haven't liked much of the production on most of Stevie's solo work in a long, long time.

Her fixation on sales is really sad and frustrating. I would think that someone with her huge stash of songs would want to get them out there regardless.

paleshadow 08-01-2018 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1232990)
She was great on many 24KG tracks and tired and strained on others, probably due to the compressed recording schedule. I love the album anyway and would heartily welcome a sequel. No old demo releases for me thanks.

Naturally some people like things others don't. That's why I put "IMO", because that's what it is, my opinion; However, I don't know how anyone can listen to "Blue Water" or "The Dealer" on 24K Gold, vs. the old demo of it and prefer to have rerecorded demos over remastered old ones. Again, IMO. ;)

The title track and She Loves Him Still are my favorites. Mabel Normand, Cathouse Blues and Belle Fleur are alright.

David 08-03-2018 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by paleshadow (Post 1233328)
Naturally some people like things others don't. That's why I put "IMO", because that's what it is, my opinion; However, I don't know how anyone can listen to "Blue Water" or "The Dealer" on 24K Gold, vs. the old demo of it and prefer to have rerecorded demos over remastered old ones. Again, IMO. ;)

The title track and She Loves Him Still are my favorites. Mabel Normand, Cathouse Blues and Belle Fleur are alright.

I like the ones you listed, along with the song with the line "ladies of the canyon" (I forgot the title).

One of the tracks on 24 Karat — If You Were My Love — is the worst thing I've ever heard on a Stevie Nicks solo album. It was a cool song when Fleetwood Mac tracked it for Mirage. But this one is pure stunk. The vocal sounds like something on its last legs, or maybe something that has already expired, dragged along the ground behind a body wagon during the Plague. The music wobbles back and forth between a tonic and a second, but literally never resolves. It gives you the sense of being trapped in a sound nightmare when your brain can't think of an ending. Not the sort of thing you'd put to an abysmally slow tempo, but that's what they did here. It's like watching a tortoise walk. Unbelievably bad judgment. Did they release this as a terrible in-joke, or was everyone in the room too afraid to say how bad it was? Is it the first song in history to be included by dint of embarrassed silence?

TheWildHeart67 08-03-2018 05:58 PM

I absolutely love "If you were my love" from 22kg. I think it's beautiful

mitzo 08-03-2018 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1233394)
I absolutely love "If you were my love" from 22kg. I think it's beautiful

Me too, favorite from the album! So sad and beautiful in a mysterious Stevie ballad way.

wheart 08-04-2018 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1233392)
I like the ones you listed, along with the song with the line "ladies of the canyon" (I forgot the title).

One of the tracks on 24 Karat — If You Were My Love — is the worst thing I've ever heard on a Stevie Nicks solo album. It was a cool song when Fleetwood Mac tracked it for Mirage. But this one is pure stunk. The vocal sounds like something on its last legs, or maybe something that has already expired, dragged along the ground behind a body wagon during the Plague. The music wobbles back and forth between a tonic and a second, but literally never resolves. It gives you the sense of being trapped in a sound nightmare when your brain can't think of an ending. Not the sort of thing you'd put to an abysmally slow tempo, but that's what they did here. It's like watching a tortoise walk. Unbelievably bad judgment. Did they release this as a terrible in-joke, or was everyone in the room too afraid to say how bad it was? Is it the first song in history to be included by dint of embarrassed silence?

I agree with you 100% on this. One of the worst things she's ever recorded. it's painful to listen to...and then she did it live, and the live version was no better.

mitzo 08-04-2018 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wheart (Post 1233415)
I agree with you 100% on this. One of the worst things she's ever recorded. it's painful to listen to...and then she did it live, and the live version was no better.

Wow. I thought IYWML was the highlight of the show. Maybe you just don't like "slow" songs in general?

Are there any Stevie ballads you like or is it all midtempo stuff?

Phoenixgypsy 08-04-2018 10:02 AM

I'm still hoping she puts the re-recorded Gypsy on iTunes or Amazon. I would love to hear it in full and add to my collection!


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