more Fleetwood Mac - SYW or BuckVie rendition?
 

i thought Christine said something interesting in that Uncut interview from this week. she basically said that Say You Will incarnation of Fleetwood Mac was really not a Fleetwood Mac but more a glorified newer version of Buckingham Nicks.

here's the excerpt:

In retrospect, In the Meantime holds up surprisingly well, especially when compared to Fleetwood Mac’s more bombastic Say You Will, released the year before. It was the band’s first record in 36 years without McVie, and her love songs are greatly missed. “Even with John and Mick playing, it was like a glorified Buckingham Nicks album,” she says, referring to the duo’s pre-Mac release. “I think that element of me might have been missing, those love songs that are both intimate and commercial. So to be back in the band again is just magical.”

while i don't agree with her exactly, because i think Say You Will music, lyrics or singing are nothing like that old Buckingham Nicks album, i think she's definitely onto something when talking about the Fleetwood Mac musical style in the last 40 years.

regarding SYW [not] being like BN - i think Lindsey especially has grown as a songwriter and an overall artist by leaps and bounds since the BN time and his music and lyrics on SYW are so much better they can't even compare. plus BN were much more of a musical entity during BN time while they were two very separate artists by the time SYW came around.

I don't think she was comparing SYW to the Buckingham Nicks album from '73 or implying that there is a similar style between the two. She was just saying it was like "a" Buckingham Nicks album, because it was missing "that element" of what Christine brings to the band.

yeah i think you are probably right, but i couldn't resist pointing out the differences just in case! :)

I think what Christine meant was; what a lot of us were saying here at the ledge. It's not cohesive as an album. And Christine's writing, singing and playing may have made that bridge that brings us back together... ;)

As far as comparing B/N to SYW...

B/N was a tight album. It's pristine and flows as an album. The harmonies are flawless.

Even though Linsdey sure did grow as a writer and even moreso as a player, this album is so much tighter than SYW.

SYW is all over the place. Stevie's voice is so nasal. I think if he would have edited it down as a whole it might have had that arc. It probably would have been a blockbuster double album w/ Christine McVie. Filling in the gaps and making it more of a story or a piece on it's own.

Otherwise, it will always be a rendition of themselves in fragments.

She said something very similar in her ITM interviews back in 2004.

Something about too much guitar. lol

Ha! I remember that. That was in respect to something else, if I recall. She began to talk about how she hates guitar solos and mouthed out the do-do-do-do....She considered (and considers) herself a part player as opposed to a soloist.

I'm surprised by the fact that Christine seems to have some kind of unresolved feelings towards Say You Will.

It does have a bit of a tinge to it like when Lindsey left and always had to say "I found it interesting that they had to hire TWO guitarists to replace me" :eek:

We all have our egos, even our beloved Christine.

And she's not wrong, either.

Yes, it's just that I didn't expect it to be brought on now after all this time has passed.

She also flip flopped on In The Meantime. First, she had said negative things about it. Then later on, she had positive things to say about it.

It actually irked me. I love that album. I love Christine Perfect, too.

i am actually listening to it right now just finished Buckingham Nicks

makes sense. i didn't follow anything that was not on mainstream radio at the time so this was new to me.
in the meantime? hello?! it's all falling into place for me now - something that Christine's fans (and i'm sure the rest of the FM) were more than well aware at the time!
yup!
it makes a complete sense now. she and the rest of the band just [presumably] made a Fleetwood Mac album which is not coming out under Fleetwood Mac moniker. meanwhile the album that was definitely not FM but two songwriters pulling their fragmented stuff together because record company told them that way they can sell it better was called Fleetwood Mac. perfectly reasonable to point that out exactly at this time.

This pisses me off to no end. I'm sure old goat breath has the most powerful lawyers of them all. :mad:

Yes, Christine said that back when Meantime came out, too. To which I thought she knows nothing about BN and should go home and varnish something.

Which is not to say she wasn't missed and I think FM consciously tried to fill the void with SYW (Christine is clearly why it was the single) and forcing SYHA and BTLH on us again.

Michele

Yeah, I remembered her saying this:

"It had some good songs on it, but I went about it all wrong [...] I did it the wrong way, with the wrong people, I didn't want to fly, I didn't want to promote it. I just did it in my garage and nothing happened with it. That caused a certain amount of angst, and then I just stopped."

Ha. You know, I love Christine, but it's not because I think she's sweet, mild or humble. I love her because I don't think that.

Michele

She's just so much better than Stevie at throwing shade..lololol

I loooooove Steal Your Heart Away. The Watkins Family Hour version too.

I really appreciated it when I first heard it, but by the time SYW came out, it seemed old, already. But I understand that they were trying to sound like they did when Christine was there and that was why that song was included on the album.

Michele

But this sounds like she's mainly talking all about promoting it all wrong and having regrets about that.

The "wrong people" bit is intriguing though. I always wondered did she think she needed someone more like LB, who could be more creative with her basic songs? Although it's interesting, as clever and talented as Lindsey is, his solo stuff does not come close to the sales numbers of FM, or Stevie solo, for that matter....

I remember reading that, too.

Weird, because I thought she had the right people and the right approach to the actual music. (The promotion is a different story.) Maybe she was talking about Sanctuary Records? She's singing a different tune now, celebrating the record on its own terms. And I've always thought ITM was very special. I'm so glad to have that music.

Do you think Dan is the wrong people?

I actually hated Dan's production, but if I had to list her top 5 songs, "Calumny" would be right up there with "Hold Me." I would like to hear other things he has written.

I wonder if Lindsey has ever heard Calumny. if those two want some setlist ideas ....

Michele

I'm sure LB heard her solo record.

That's how I've always read it.

Yes, I took it as a first step of her eventual reconsideration for the album, it's an interview for the 2014 reunion.
And ironically her words now could apply to 24K Gold.

I don't mind the production on 'In the Meantime' although I would have liked more piano. Especially on "Calumny." That song would have been perfect played on grand piano, a la "Songbird."

It seemed obvious at the time that the title of the album -- "In the Meantime" -- referred to a change that was coming in the future. Did it mean: "I will eventually rejoin Fleetwood Mac, but in the meantime I'll do this little solo project"? I was surprised there wasn't more speculation at the time about the title. (We Chris fans were all on the old Christine McVie website board in those days, remember?) I remember that Chris just said, when she was asked about the title, that it had a personal meaning, but she didn't say what the meaning was.

Agreed. I think the production and instrumentation on "In the Meantime" are very good. I would have appreciated more Clavinet however :) Not on 'Calumny' of course!

I too liked the production. It was very Fleetwood macky..

Yes I am sure old goat breath just pulled in all her lawyers to ensure that the FM name is not being used on this album. BULL****! Seems you are conveniently forgetting how Christine had been gone from the group for what...about 5 or 6 years at that time SYW was being made and was asked and begged to come back and refused. But she is a saint for coming back to the fold after 16 years of being gone. Stevie asks to do the exact same thing that she has been doing since 1981 and is the devil. Good Lord...it is so laughable.

Christine LEFT the group. She didn't hold them hostage. That's the difference. Any clear thinker should be able to see the difference.

We Stevie lovers are all just so much less intelligent than you and not able to decipher Stevie's true bad intentions. She isn't holding anybody hostage. Just because I don't think the way you do doesn't make me anything less or unclear.

Guys please stop arguing now.

So what's this about a goat and it's breath? :lol::lol:

Everyone chill out. Everyone knows Christine's breath is minty fresh, even after 15 years of not brushing her teeth. As you can see, she got new teeth.