Has Stevie's decision to not record new FM album affected the way you feel about her?
 

Has Stevie's decision to not record a new Fleetwood Mac album affected the way you feel about her?

Good poll, although I kinda would like one something more along the lines of...

Yes, I am disappointed in her lack of commitment as a final album with all 5 fireflies could be magic and would be fantastic for their legacy

It may sound contradictory with what I'm about to say,but I do like what she's done solo in the last few years. I can say that if I scratch the last few Mac-related years off my brain and focus on the great music the band has created, they are still my favourite. I was pleased to see Christine come back and it's been a huge let down that almost 3 years later, we still don't have an album, that's not acceptable to me. With with these ridiculous antics, yes, it most definitely has changed the way I view Stevie Nicks in the context of the band. I also cringe and absolutely hate the living legend persona she is milking. There are also just way too many dry years with some poor performances and bad recordings to adorn her with that type of adoration, at least since the horrid Rock a Little, now 31 years ago. She may be a legend in my mind and the minds of the fans, but not in a broad based appeal in the same way that the Beatles and others are. There are only 3 truly great albums and that's not much in a 50 year career. One of the biggest problems with Fleetwood Mac in my view, is that she and the band squandered her vast treasure trove of classic music and left it "in the vaults" during a time they could've crafted it into something beautiful.

What it boils down to for me is her participation in the cash cow tours whilst skewering the band at every chance she gets makes me want to throw up. This is what has really turned me off especially for a band that took a huge risk back in 79 to become the anti-rumours-anti-corporate rock are now the very definition of same. I have not been to one of their concerts since 2004. If the band was truly a legacy band we'd be hearing 3-4 Rumours tracks at a concert-max. At this stage, it's really sad that it is all about the money and I just don't have a grand to shell out for 2 hours of going through the motions performances.

What will grab my attention is in hearing some creative new music and if that doesn't happen, I'm tuning out to whatever happens 2017 and beyond. I remain hopeful that something good can still happen.

Hahahahahahaha.This poll made me LOL......I voted number 2.

One even voted number 3.

The not announcing BS in what shes going to do with the band got to stop is my only gripe with her.Also goes for the rest of the band too.

It bothers me as well that all she wants to do is tour. It says to me that is no longer creative and not very deep. I feel sorry for the rest of the band.

I seriously hope some of the options of this poll aren't serious.

That last one...
 

I'd just like to point out...Stevie isn't the only one with a worn voice. Christine and Lindsey have their own vocal issues. Stevie did sound pretty damn good when I saw the Seattle show earlier this month. She wouldn't need to whisper creepily or anything in a song...

It pained me to choose the option with the apostrophe error, but I did: "Yes. She has spoiled Fleetwood Macs last opportunity to have an album with all 5 members." I don't hate Stevie now - not even close; I still love her. However, I do think a bit less of her.

Shes in with the rest of her age group with the older voices .I heard Olivia N John struggling on some of the notes during her appearance on the Hollywood Christmas parade the other night. I still love them and other artist and bands at that age and still go out and do it.

This, right here.

High five !
It's true right?

I am disappointed as I feel she should suck it up...give them one month of her life...give another producer two songs/ vault demos to sort out....do a few backing vocals...just as she did for the TITN album...and if really necessary avoid Lindsey throughout most of it if it pains her too much to be in the studio with him.....really is it that hard for her to do this?

This is a recipe for a failure honestly; in fact Tango wasn't certainly a good period for her music-wise.

I agree her music for Tango was poor but don't you feel if she allowed herself one month to at least contribute and be marginally on a final record would be better than not contributing anything at all to a final 5 album?

Well, the last word may not yet have been spoken. I would like a last album by the 5 members too but I don't see why anyone should be coerced into doing something they don't want to to achieve it. I don't want another Tango, if it comes down to it I think I will settle for a Say You Will, but without Stevie instead of without Christine.

Not if it brings the album down. She's made it clear that she wants no part of it, and I suspect she'll give an uninspired, listless performance that will only kill the mood.

No but Tango was their second most popular album of all time and I and many others loved it. I would love another Tango. It just makes her look bad because it shows they don't need her.

with you there, although in my case i wouldn't call it settling by any stretch. really looking forward to hear a cohesive album Christine and Lindsey constructed together. :]

Isn't this poll a little bit premature? She hasn't definitively said no yet. Granted, Stevie has expressed reservations, but she seems to be having the time of her life on tour right now and it seems to me that the band can stand to let a few years pass between tours in order to work on the album together.

Furthermore, let's keep in mind that the only time Stevie left the band was during a heated battle with Mick over Silver Springs. Therefore I think the only reasons she wouldn't participate are if 1) she truly didn't care (doubtful) or 2) she felt wronged by the band (i.e. for going on without her).

Of course I am disappointed in Stevie for not participating as of yet, however after seeing her on tour a few weeks ago I have definitely softened towards her. I saw her with FM the last time they toured as well and right now she is like a different person... Bubbly, engaged, commanding, energetic... Happy. I do believe she deserves to be so happy like this and I think she will come around and record the album if she has this time to herself.

so why would you want to send her back to the band where she doesn't want to be? she just goes through the motions on their tours, and is very clear she doesn't want to record new music with them.

i don't think any more or less of her, it was very clear already few years ago that she doesn't want to record with FM, so that's nothing new, she just finally said it publicly.

my bigger problem is with the other 4. not sure whether they couldn't get on the same page between the 4 of them, or why they kept waiting and hoping all these years. they needed to decide whether they are in FM for art or the money. i'm happy to see that apparently they decided to go for the art over money!

I don't think it's been too long. The OWTS tour ended Nov. 22, 2015, right before the holidays. They all probably needed vacations and to spend time with their families and friends, as well as giving Stevie a little more time to come to a decision now that Christine was back. After she announced her tour, they started talking about making a new album and doing a small tour without her.

Absolutely changed my opinion. Really pissed at her.

I see some irony here between 1987 and 2017. Lindsey did an album with all 5 and it was probably a tough thing for him to do. He also did it almost as an obligation to the band. In Mick's first book he writes that Lindsey threw it in his face that he helped Mick get back on his feet after bankruptcy and did the album for him. Lindsey could never go out on the road after struggling to work in the studio with them. So he left the band.
Stevie is saying the opposite. She does not want to come face to face with Lindsey and fight in the studio because it would crystalize and get worse on the tour. So she has the Lindsey philosophy but in reverse.
I wish Christine could work her magic and shelter Stevie. I also wish Stevie would be strong and try to put the drama aside for one FINAL album.

Precisely. All of this talk and Stevie slamming really gets on my nerves because none of us know exactly what's going to happen. It's highly likely that they have everything planned out. Do they need to announce it? No. Will they eventually? Yes. So calm your beans!

I agree with you 100% on this. I think the only comment(s) that get me a bit miffed is the " No one buys records anymore" Fleetwood Mac has a huge fan base with 50 years of followers. You release the music for your growth and your FANS! Yes the days of million sales may be the the thing of the past but so is lot of other things.

Take your head out of the sand. She's said she doesn't want to do an album. The other four have repeatedly said it looks as if she won't contribute. It seems as if they are getting close to a stage where they can release something. In the meantime, Stevie extends her tour.

She may not have explicitly come out and said 'I WILL DEFINITELY NOT DO ANOTHER ALBUM WITH FLEETWOOD MAC' but its very clear that's what she feels.

I'd say its highly, highly, highly unlikely the five of them have everything planned out (if you mean including Stevie on an album).

Exactly right. And all these fans who don't want to deal with reality get on my nerves. She is giving Fleetwood Mac, the group that made her a star, the finger. Time will not heal all wounds because they are out of time. Her timing is lousy.

I simply do not understand the fact that typing up facts about the four recording and cowriting FMtracks and one explicitly not participating is regarded as bashing or slamming the one.

No, my fandom/opinion doesn't change.

To put in another perspective. These 4/5 people have not made any new music in about 15 years (ok, there was an EP). But toured 4 times since, without having an album out. It selled out large venues.

It's all about the money. Average music-geeks just want to see en hear the hits, they do not care for new music. Only we, as die-hard fans, want new music.

So I understand why Stevie does not want to record. Go out and play and satisfy the majority and sell out shows!

Yes, Tango was their second best-selling album (especially in Europe) but Stevie's songs were lackluster; here we aren't talking about sales, or at least I hope so, but we are talking about quality, and to me an album must have consistent quality throughout all the songs. Tango is a good album that however had a much greater potential, it could have been a timeless classic but it was tarnished by many little things that prevented part of its success.
I really think that if Stevie had been more present and had submitted better songs and had worked longer on them, if Lindsey hadn't been on the verge of quitting Fleetwood Mac and if all of them had gone on the road together and in much better shape, then this album would have had about the same success rate of Rumours.

Well there was nothing wrong with the quality of Lindsey's and Christine's songs. They easily surpassed her. Makes you wonder if that is the real reason she doesn't want to do it. She has nothing new to offer.

exactly, and 3/5 and then 4/5 have pushed for new music most of those years, since at least 2009. we knew since 2010 that Stevie didn't want to record with Fleetwood Mac, so why change opinion about her now.

Maybe it is, who knows, after all she doesn't put out something newly written since 2011. However I think she probably has tons of older songs to submit if she really wants to.
But my point was, why forcibly putting out an album if not all the songs are very good, especially at this point of their career?

It has not changed the way I feel about her individually, but I am sad to see she is refusing to let the Mac swansong be what it could be.

Still, if she is so traumatized (and her behavior does read like a reaction to trauma) by the prospect of working with Lindsey in this way, then, godspeed.

One of the other options in the survey should be: "No, but I am REALLY annoyed with the remaining four for not embracing the situation and proudly moving ahead with the project." They might be finishing the album as we speak, but it's all so secretive, as if doing so were a dirty thing.

that's a lot of ifs! :laugh:

i have no clue what potential are you talking about. Tango actually turned out much better than one would expect considering the circumstances (although i personally don't care too much for it), and that's really on the strength of Christine's collection of songs that became huge hits. i would expect that Lindsey and Christine together, nowadays, based on the strength of Lindsey's most recent songwriting, and expectations that Christine still has the same songwriting knack she always did, have created an album that is much stronger than Tango (and will of course sell 1/100000000 of what Tango did, but will stay as band's statement of artistic integrity for posterity).

Well Lindsey's and Christine's songs matter. Screw Stevie. Maybe all the songs will great if she doesn't contribute.

exactly. there's no reason to force her to be on the album if she doesn't feel she can appropriately contribute. i'm glad the other 4 finally came to that conclusion, at least as far as we know.

FM 40 year old drama is wearing thin, time to put it behind and finally be adults.

2011 is IYD, right? there is no new music written by SN on that album. i'm guessing her last new music was on SYW. and unlike Christine and Lindsey who happily jumped into collaborating and co-writing, Stevie seems weary of trying that with either one of them.

BINGO!!!!!!!!

Yes, that was the point, Tango turned better then you'd expect given the curcumstances but then that means that it could have been even much better; obviously there were good hits but I also don't care for some songs but I'm talking about albums as a whole and I think a good album should be organic and all the songs should be of good level, in contrast to an album that has just two or three hits and then the rest is fillers. That is artistic integrity for posterity in my opinion. If this is achieved with or without Stevie honestly I don't care much if this is what they all want.

They're the only one that matter if they're also the only songwriters present in the album.

It depends on what you mean by new music written. The music was really all written by Dave Stewart. The lyrics were in most cases either partially old and partially new or short poems that were put together and turned into songs during the making of the album. Only Secret Love and Annabel Lee were truly very old songs in In Your Dreams, the rest is all music produced after her previous album.

yes, that's what i mean.

all new music was written by Dave Stewart, so we didn't get any new music written by Stevie in 2011.