Stevie really needs to rethink not participating in the new Fleetwood Mac album
 

All it's going to prove is that creatively they don't need her and turn a lot of fans against her.

A. Behind the Mask proved that the band needed Lindsey.
B. Say You Will was definitely missing Christine but it was better than Behind the Mask.
C. The new album will be even better and it will be without Stevie and that will make it obvious that she is the weak link in Fleetwood Mac. Frankly, Christine McVie songs are the best examples of the Fleetwood Mac sound, not Stevie. Lindsey and Christine can still create magic. Maybe she knows she can't compete with what Lindsey and Christine did artistically.

Further proof - Tango in the Night. It's Fleetwood Mac's 2nd biggest selling album around the world. It sold 11 million copies. and only 3 million were inside the states. The weakest charting single, Seven Wonders, coming from Nicks. What did she really offer on that album - a great vocal on Seven Wonders, and a nice vocal on Little Lies. That's it. She didn't really participate in the album they had been working on for years.

As far as sales go and the tour, she won't make a difference if the music is good, which it will be. It will not sale a lot anyway. Tom Petty just had a number one album and it's still not Gold. Pathetic. They don't need the money, so small venues aren't going to matter that much to anyone but Mick, who is a money-grubbing whore. The album is for artistic purposes.

I want Stevie to make 24K Gold part 2, but I think if she were smart, she better participate in a big way with the new album. Not participating will only hurt her legacy. We all know that Lindsey and Christine have already created a masterpiece and Stevie is just going to make herself look bad. Even though it only may hurt the album, Stevie needs to be part of a masterpiece.

If it hurts the album, which it will, because she's not in it with her soul, I would seriously say to her: back off, we are making something beautiful here. Don't come ruin it.

At 68 years old, her legacy will be fine. She needs to do what she wants at this point. Not worry about what some fickle fans would think of her. I mean, I don't think there were tons of fans hating on Lindsey and Christine when they left. Disappointed at best. Did it ruin their legacy? No.

Jamie

It's funny, Jamie, you throw little daggers out there. Then, you act bent when people respond. smh

I wouldn't call fans fickle just because they want the classic lineup or nothing at all. I'd rather they all do solo albums if the 5 of them can't do this likely final album.

they should and release them all on the same day

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they should and release them all on the same day it's been done before
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haha!! you just made me spit coffee... love it.

Yes!!! I'm old enough to remember the Kiss dolls too. Lol

My brother would dress up like them. I was older so I thought it was "uncool"

Huh?
Can you please tell me where the daggers are in what I just wrote?

. "Not worry about what some fickle fans would think of her. I mean, I don't think there were tons of fans hating on Lindsey and Christine when they left"

I wasn't referring to anyone here on this board. I was referring to the general public, like a random dude who buys seats to see Fleetwood Mac then gets all pissed off because Steve is not there.

Oh ok.. got it... I thought that was directed at the fans here that are excited to see the 4 other members..

Cool.

I would totally go see Fleetwood Mac without Stevie.
This is dating me, but I remember when Duran Duran broke off into Arcadia and Power Station. Both records were amazing and different. This could be definitely along those lines.

I loved Duran Duran.. I haven't heard the new album. I think I'm going to listen to that today.

Not me... it just wouldn't be as interesting to me. :shrug:

Lee :)

I was more partial to Arcadia because Simon was singing. Great stuff though.

Oh I would no one crying during Landslide or Worse signing it along to her singing

I saw them in Nashville in July. It was a good show(the light show was FANTASTIC). But, at the end of the day, I realized that I really only knew the hits, and wished I'd saved my money.

I guess that's the definition of "casual fan"...

They can really play their instruments..

So the jingles on the tambourines weren't taped down, like someone we know?:p

thank you - you so eloquently make great points for why they need to release this album without her!

exactly.

thank you for the voice of reason! that whole other thread about how FM album without Stevie would be just LB solo is a great example of fickle fans trying to muddy the clear points Jondalar expressed here!

basically -

• if FM cares about their artistic legacy, they'll release 4/5 album and tour it.
• if they care more about Stevie's individual legacy than collective FM legacy, they'll wait for her, cobble on a few of her songs like they did for Tango, and run in the ground points from SYW and EP that FM is not anymore a whole but just sum of individual parts. their overall artistic legacy will be cemented with yet another non-cohesive stitched together album.

In Ken's book he states that they usually had Stevie's mic turned down for the tamborine.

Don't pretend you didn't dress those dolls up, too.

I didn't.. I was the cool kid who loved Christine McVie!! lol

I just remember reading(a million years ago) that her jingles were taped down.

And I've enjoyed that thought for a million years...:p

He just said they couldn't use them because they weren't in time.

For what it's worth, I'm not so sure that they are still taped down now. When I'm up front it seems I can hear her tambourine as she's using it. Perhaps she took a tambourine class at a local community college.:D

This is apparently a real thing... Good work, Stevie!

Ever listen to Christine's maracas on "Oh Well"? She is absolutely flawless. I tried to do it and it's so hard.

You and I know who the Queen of FM is!

Sara told me they would watch her do that from the front row and she and Mick would work off each other to perfect the rhythm.

Or how about the fifteen maracas she plays in the 1973 Midnight Special Video for "Miles Away"? Look at her shaking those things. She looks like she's going to tip over!

And I think there's a mic in there, as well!

I find it interesting that you point out what he said but statements like...it will make it obvious that she is the weak link in Fleetwood Mac. She will come in and ruin the album. We all know who the Queen of Fleetwood Mac is...seem to be just fine.

I personally believe that they will wait for her...out of total respect for her and out of recognition that this is what Fleetwood Mac has done in relation to her solo career for a few decades now. They may not get along well but I think they pretty much respect each other fully.

Well, as long as they cry silently, it's not a problem. If it's loud, choking audible sobbing, that's another story.

Michele

For the record, I don't think calling people fickle fans is a dagger or anything. I do think that calling people here "trifling bitches" as Sorcerer999 did is a problem and no more of that is going to be allowed.

But what I wanted to point out about your quote is the difference between what is said about a member of FM and what is said about other posters. So, what if someone calls Stevie a weak link? That's not being disrespectful to anyone here.

As far as we know, FM is not on this forum. You may get insulted if a member of Fleetwood Mac is criticized, but Fleetwood Mac is not you. The fact that someone attacked a member of Fleetwood Mac is not a reason to insult the person who did. You don't have to show respect for the people in FM. You have to show respect for the people who are posting here.

Now, when you have individual forums, for Stevie, Lindsey or Chris, I try to stop trolling in those forums. I think if you go into an individual band member's forum and intensely badmouth that individual member, you're probably trying to bait his/her fans rather than state an opinion. So, we police that kind of trolling more.

But in the Rumours forum, opinions about different band members are going to clash often. If you don't like having your favorite member trashed, don't come here. Lots of people have stopped coming and that's a great thing. Go to your favorite Facebook page where band members are loved and praised. When you're here, don't think that someone has to be nice to a band member out of respect to you. People should be nice to YOU out of respect to you. That's what required.

Michele

I think they have waited...and waited...and waited...
and now I think they are starting to lose all respect for her. Patience is wearing thin, to snapping point.

^^^ Thank you. (michele) I definitely have my opinions about the band members. But, I try and get along with people I disagree with. Mostly, tongue in cheek.

I find it interesting that our excitement over the 4 piece had the normal Stevie forum members float in here. You usually don't see them often. lol