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elle 09-24-2016 11:22 AM

Mck: FM finishing new album, SN likely not involved
 
i think this needs a separate discussion thread since it's buried in the MBB and Mirage interview threads:

Quote:

Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1191658)
[Well, in the Spokesman Review article, Mick makes it sound like this band has FINALLY made the decision to put the album out without Stevie. I hope they will stick to that plan and he's not just bluffing.]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...love-of-blues/

“John and Christine and Lindsay, the four of us, are going to be finishing up some great music we’ve been working at,” Fleetwood said. “The music is really vibrant and really cool, and it’s Fleetwood Mac, basically.”

The only drawback: Stevie Nicks, who’s currently on a solo tour with the Pretenders, likely won’t be involved.

“Unlike anyone else in the band, she really does have a complete career on her own, you know?” Fleetwood said. “She doesn’t want to spend time in the studio, and she’s doing her own thing. You wish for something else, but that’s not fair after 30, 40 years of doing what we do. Everyone’s got to do what they feel they need at this point.

“But never say never. Down the road, we’re in a good position that we could add her songs and integrate her into some of the music we’ve been working on for four years. So that’s the state of Fleetwood Mac Nation.”


HomerMcvie 09-24-2016 11:46 AM

Ungrateful goat. :mad:

Edit - although I will say, as long as they release it, I'm good. Actually, if it means more duets with LB and Chris, I'm actually grateful she's ungrateful!

SteveMacD 09-24-2016 11:46 AM

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...ure-id96772526

Works for me.

Jondalar 09-24-2016 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1191673)

Me too!!!!!!! Finally, some common sense. Lindsey and Christine are magic. Stevie found magic on 24k Gold. I would love another Tango In The Night and 24k Gold.

WatchChain 09-24-2016 12:52 PM

[QUOTE=elle;1191670]i think this needs a separate discussion thread since it's buried in the MBB and Mirage interview threads:[/QUOTE

TO ME, this quote from Mick in NO WAY sounds like they are ready and willing to release an album WITHOUT Stevie. Yes, it sounds like the album is basically FINISHED and just needs 3 of Stevie's new songs and some added Stevie harmony vocals on the completed tracks. This could easily be done is 6 weeks, just like the "Tango In The Night" situation where Stevie was NOT present for 90% of the recording process.

MARK MY WORDS: At this stage in the game, Fleetwood Mac will NEVER release an album as a QUARTET WITHOUT Stevie. It's just not a possibility.

Stevie will finish her solo hobby. Late next year, she'll phone in some songs for the Mac to complete, later spending 4-6 weeks in the studio. Case closed.

bwboy 09-24-2016 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1191672)
Ungrateful goat. :mad:

Edit - although I will say, as long as they release it, I'm good. Actually, if it means more duets with LB and Chris, I'm actually grateful she's ungrateful!

Homer, I agree with you that Mick Fleetwood is an ungrateful goat. Stevie released 24 Karat and then went on that long tour with FM and only now is touring to promote her album. He should wait a few more months and once Stevie's done with her tour, she'll have time to record with the band.

jwd 09-24-2016 01:03 PM

“But never say never. Down the road, we’re in a good position that we could add her songs and integrate her into some of the music we’ve been working on for four years. So that’s the state of Fleetwood Mac Nation.”

More than likely this is what is going to happen. Mick is goad(t)ing :laugh:
Stevie by saying these things in the press and announcing the four of them will finish up recording a new album. I don't think either FM or Stevie really wants to release a record without all five on it.

FuzzyPlum 09-24-2016 01:30 PM

[QUOTE=WatchChain;1191676]
Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1191670)
i think this needs a separate discussion thread since it's buried in the MBB and Mirage interview threads:[/QUOTE

TO ME, this quote from Mick in NO WAY sounds like they are ready and willing to release an album WITHOUT Stevie. Yes, it sounds like the album is basically FINISHED and just needs 3 of Stevie's new songs and some added Stevie harmony vocals on the completed tracks. This could easily be done is 6 weeks, just like the "Tango In The Night" situation where Stevie was NOT present for 90% of the recording process.

MARK MY WORDS: At this stage in the game, Fleetwood Mac will NEVER release an album as a QUARTET WITHOUT Stevie. It's just not a possibility.

Stevie will finish her solo hobby. Late next year, she'll phone in some songs for the Mac to complete, later spending 4-6 weeks in the studio. Case closed.


a) if she had any intentions of recording songs with/for Fleetwood Mac next year, why doesn't she just tell them?

b) 3 Stevie Nicks songs would just be a waste of time anyway. Christine has already contributed 7 and Lindsey had already done a load with Mick and John. If Stevie was only going to contribute 3 then that would be pretty pathetic. Clearly she might as well not bother.

Bring on the 15th (?) incarnation of Fleetwood Mac

MikeVielhaber 09-24-2016 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1191680)
Homer, I agree with you that Mick Fleetwood is an ungrateful goat. Stevie released 24 Karat and then went on that long tour with FM and only now is touring to promote her album. He should wait a few more months and once Stevie's done with her tour, she'll have time to record with the band.

Let's be clear. The reason she hasn't contributed is not because she hasn't had time it's because she doesn't want to. She recorded her solo album at the very same time the band was recording new music. She made that choice knowing she wouldn't be able to promote it. She has time and time again opted not to record with the band. So it's not a matter of her schedule opening up. She has to have a change of heart first.

SteveMacD 09-24-2016 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WatchChain (Post 1191676)
TO ME, this quote from Mick in NO WAY sounds like they are ready and willing to release an album WITHOUT Stevie.

Really? It read to me like they're ready, willing, and expecting to release it without Stevie. They're finishing up what they've been working on over the past few years, which will take a while. Because they have more work to do, there's still time for Stevie to send them some songs, hence they're not ruling her participation out, but I don't think they're expecting anything from her. It sounds to me like they're resigned to the fact she won't be participating on the album, but are also resolved to release new music before the next tour anyway.

blinker12 09-24-2016 02:12 PM

I think what may have started this whole mess is the band starting work without Stevie. She didn't like it when they did it in 1987, and she doesn't like it now. At least back then they had an excuse: She was in rehab. This time? I bet she felt left out/pissed when she heard that Christine and Lindsey were hanging out, making music without her. The idea that she's "not a musician" and doesn't need to be involved at the outset of an album recording is an old, old sore spot for her. At this point, I wish they'd had the foresight to get together to say, "OK, we're all five back now. How can we collectively make a record in a way that works for everyone?"

In the meantime, I fear Mick making statements like this to the press is only making the situation worse.

elle 09-24-2016 02:16 PM

[QUOTE=FuzzyPlum;1191685]
Quote:

Originally Posted by WatchChain (Post 1191676)


a) if she had any intentions of recording songs with/for Fleetwood Mac next year, why doesn't she just tell them?

b) 3 Stevie Nicks songs would just be a waste of time anyway. Christine has already contributed 7 and Lindsey had already done a load with Mick and John. If Stevie was only going to contribute 3 then that would be pretty pathetic. Clearly she might as well not bother.

Bring on the 15th (?) incarnation of Fleetwood Mac

just for the record - quotes got messed up and Fuzzy is replying to WatchChain's quote, not mine. :)

and i'm completely with you Fuzzy!!

Macfanforever 09-24-2016 02:21 PM

Oh well.Its looks like another boring album that I wont rush out and get it on the day it goes on sale .Plus it will sit like Time and others that I dont play often..:shocked:

Only kidding............................................................................

elle 09-24-2016 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blinker12 (Post 1191699)
I think what may have started this whole mess is the band starting work without Stevie. She didn't like it when they did it in 1987, and she doesn't like it now. At least back then they had an excuse: She was in rehab. This time? I bet she felt left out/pissed when she heard that Christine and Lindsey were hanging out, making music without her. The idea that she's "not a musician" and doesn't need to be involved at the outset of an album recording is an old, old sore spot for her. At this point, I wish they'd had the foresight to get together to say, "OK, we're all five back now. How can we collectively make a record in a way that works for everyone?"

that ship has sailed back in 2008-2009. when they were 4. the first time they asked her and Stevie refused to work on new FM album. so they went on the first of their greatest hits tours.

then again in 2010-2011.
then again in 2012.
then again in 2014.

they asked. every time she said no. they tried several different ways. she said no. i think the only time they started working without her was 2012. all other times they asked and wanted to start together with her. looks pretty obvious that every single time she said no.

so them finally getting her message seems pretty sensible, no?

MikeVielhaber 09-24-2016 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blinker12 (Post 1191699)
I think what may have started this whole mess is the band starting work without Stevie. She didn't like it when they did it in 1987, and she doesn't like it now. At least back then they had an excuse: She was in rehab. This time? I bet she felt left out/pissed when she heard that Christine and Lindsey were hanging out, making music without her. The idea that she's "not a musician" and doesn't need to be involved at the outset of an album recording is an old, old sore spot for her. At this point, I wish they'd had the foresight to get together to say, "OK, we're all five back now. How can we collectively make a record in a way that works for everyone?"

In the meantime, I fear Mick making statements like this to the press is only making the situation worse.

Well she was cool with it in 2002. And it's not like she wasn't invited.

I honestly don't care what Stevie thinks of Mick's comments. I could take or leave her at this point and would without reservation want a new album over waiting for her involvement.

elle 09-24-2016 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1191695)
Really? It read to me like they're ready, willing, and expecting to release it without Stevie. They're finishing up what they've been working on over the past few years, which will take a while. Because they have more work to do, there's still time for Stevie to send them some songs, hence they're not ruling her participation out, but I don't think they're expecting anything from her. It sounds to me like they're resigned to the fact she won't be participating on the album, but are also resolved to release new music before the next tour anyway.

i hope you are right!

while i read the rest of it in Mick's quote, i don't see him saying anything about actually RELEASING that album.

elle 09-24-2016 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber (Post 1191690)
Let's be clear. The reason she hasn't contributed is not because she hasn't had time it's because she doesn't want to. She recorded her solo album at the very same time the band was recording new music. She made that choice knowing she wouldn't be able to promote it. She has time and time again opted not to record with the band. So it's not a matter of her schedule opening up. She has to have a change of heart first.

exactly.

i'm completely baffled how people still don't get that.

Macfanforever 09-24-2016 02:34 PM

It would be strange if the Mac plays the new tunes live on the next tour.I guess Stevie would just stand there and do nothing or go back stage since she was no part of it or she will put her 2 cents in and sing the ooohs and aaaahs to just make it look good.I would feel out of place if it was me.In another thing.Mick could be just doing this to set fire under her a$$ to wake her up and join them.

elle 09-24-2016 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfanforever (Post 1191708)
It would be strange if the Mac plays the new tunes live on the next tour.I guess Stevie would just stand there and do nothing or go back stage since she was no part of it or she will put her 2 cents in and sing the ooohs and aaaahs to just make it look good.I would feel out of place if it was me.In another thing.Mick could be just doing this to set fire under her a$$ to wake her up and join them.

she doesn't participate in some of the songs as is, and hasn't on the last few tours. wouldn't be that unusual.

Macfanforever 09-24-2016 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1191710)
she doesn't participate in some of the songs as is, and hasn't on the last few tours. wouldn't be that unusual.

Yes .At this point .I think shes done with them as more stuff comes out like this.

Macfan4life 09-24-2016 03:21 PM

Everyone is overreacting. Mick also used another interview a few months back to get Stevie's attention. Once her tour is over she will be tripping over herself to be included in the final Fleetwood Mac album. 100% guaranteed. Stevie has always, always played these games. Remember in 1983 when she said her involvement in any future Mac album depends on how nice everyone is. This is nothing new and if you ever followed the band this is normal. I would expect nothing more from Stevie. Let her enjoy her short tour and I know Christine will get her to join them in the studio. How in the world would Stevie sign on the dotted line for a huge world tour with the Mac in 2017 but want nothing to do with the album.
C'mon guys. We are smarter than this.

elle 09-24-2016 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1191715)
C'mon guys. We are smarter than this.

don't burst our bubble, let us have at least a day to enjoy the chance of this album being incredible and actually coming out before the tour!

elle 09-24-2016 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1191715)
How in the world would Stevie sign on the dotted line for a huge world tour with the Mac in 2017 but want nothing to do with the album.

easy! tours make money. albums don't.

jbrownsjr 09-24-2016 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1191716)
don't burst our bubble, let us have at least a day to enjoy the chance of this album being incredible and actually coming out before the tour!

Money $$$$

Bandon 09-24-2016 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1191715)
Everyone is overreacting. Mick also used another interview a few months back to get Stevie's attention. Once her tour is over she will be tripping over herself to be included in the final Fleetwood Mac album. 100% guaranteed. Stevie has always, always played these games. Remember in 1983 when she said her involvement in any future Mac album depends on how nice everyone is. This is nothing new and if you ever followed the band this is normal. I would expect nothing more from Stevie. Let her enjoy her short tour and I know Christine will get her to join them in the studio. How in the world would Stevie sign on the dotted line for a huge world tour with the Mac in 2017 but want nothing to do with the album.
C'mon guys. We are smarter than this.

I totally agree...he said they were moving forward without her, but at the end of the article, he leaves the door open....so political. :distress:

BLY 09-24-2016 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1191715)
Everyone is overreacting. Mick also used another interview a few months back to get Stevie's attention. Once her tour is over she will be tripping over herself to be included in the final Fleetwood Mac album. 100% guaranteed. Stevie has always, always played these games. Remember in 1983 when she said her involvement in any future Mac album depends on how nice everyone is. This is nothing new and if you ever followed the band this is normal. I would expect nothing more from Stevie. Let her enjoy her short tour and I know Christine will get her to join them in the studio. How in the world would Stevie sign on the dotted line for a huge world tour with the Mac in 2017 but want nothing to do with the album.
C'mon guys. We are smarter than this.


Exactly..... This the same stuff that always goes on before a MAC release. It's the same BS just a different year. No new album under the Fleetwood Mac without Stevie.

BlueDenimLamp 09-24-2016 05:03 PM

Until there is a new FM album finished and in the Stores without Stevie on it I wouldn't believe a word of what comes out of Mick's mouth.

Same old FM drama...

louielouie2000 09-24-2016 05:07 PM

To me, this is no different from that Playboy interview Mick did several years back when he proclaimed that Fleetwood Mac was dead because Stevie refused to tour. It's interesting how the rest of the band in both situations laid all the groundwork for forward momentum, yet Stevie is the focus of both stories. I think in the end, Stevie just needs the validation of the rest of the band. She wants to be begged, and for the buck to stop with her. Then she can credit herself with FM's forward motion, like she always does. Maybe this is her way of getting the band to take her seriously since she doesn't play any instruments or produce. Whatever the case, I suspect she will come around in the end and do her part. It'll just have to be solely on her terms.

pattyfan 09-24-2016 05:16 PM

What is wrong with...

1. Stevie finishes her short tour

2. Everyone breaks for a couple months for the holidays

3. They work on the new CD for 3 months, Feb through April, (is it really that hard to do a CD in 3 months? lots of other artists do, and they have a lot of it already done)

4. Tour starts in Fall or Winter 2017.

??

Kevin

(I"m sure ya'll are going to post thousands of reasons why this won't work. :) )

elle 09-24-2016 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 1191730)
To me, this is no different from that Playboy interview Mick did several years back when he proclaimed that Fleetwood Mac was dead because Stevie refused to tour. It's interesting how the rest of the band in both situations laid all the groundwork for forward momentum, yet Stevie is the focus of both stories. I think in the end, Stevie just needs the validation of the rest of the band. She wants to be begged, and for the buck to stop with her. Then she can credit herself with FM's forward motion, like she always does. Maybe this is her way of getting the band to take her seriously since she doesn't play any instruments or produce. Whatever the case, I suspect she will come around in the end and do her part. It'll just have to be solely on her terms.

that would not be the way for your coworkers to take you more seriously. however that's the way to sell yourself to public as more important than you really are. which probably just makes your coworkers respect you even less.


what's different this time around are new statements from both Stevie and Christine that can be read that way - FM will stay all 5 for the next tour, the band is not breaking up even though just 4 are working on new album.

i'm cautiously optimistic!

elle 09-24-2016 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pattyfan (Post 1191731)
What is wrong with...

1. Stevie finishes her short tour

2. Everyone breaks for a couple months for the holidays

3. They work on the new CD for 3 months, Feb through April, (is it really that hard to do a CD in 3 months? lots of other artists do, and they have a lot of it already done)

4. Tour starts in Fall or Winter 2017.

??

Kevin

(I"m sure ya'll are going to post thousands of reasons why this won't work. :) )

no. just one reason: Stevie does not want to.

BLY 09-24-2016 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pattyfan (Post 1191731)
What is wrong with...

1. Stevie finishes her short tour

2. Everyone breaks for a couple months for the holidays

3. They work on the new CD for 3 months, Feb through April, (is it really that hard to do a CD in 3 months? lots of other artists do, and they have a lot of it already done)

4. Tour starts in Fall or Winter 2017.

??

Kevin




(I"m sure ya'll are going to post thousands of reasons why this won't work. :) )




I think that's exactly what's going to happen.

Mr Scarrott 09-24-2016 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1191710)
she doesn't participate in some of the songs as is, and hasn't on the last few tours. wouldn't be that unusual.

As far as I can recall, the only songs Stevie hasn't sung anything on in the last few tours have been Big Love and Songbird. On the former maybe Lindsey would want to have his moment (and anyway, I don't think Stevie's contributions really worked when she sang on it at the RRHOF induction); on the latter, there would be nothing for her to add.

Oh yeah, and Oh Well and Go Insane in 2009, Come in 2003/4 Maybe there have been others since 1997? Not so many, really.

Hmm.. Not that Funny from 2013. She could have enhanced that one a bit.

OK, more than I thought, then. Still, it's not like when she used to disappear off the stage for YMLF in 1990, which wasn't great, but given her state of health at the time may have been excusable.

aleuzzi 09-24-2016 08:20 PM

I'm so relieved the band has decided to move forward! First Christine says she's returning to LA to continue workin on the record in October and now Mick confirms they will go ahead with the project with or without Stevie.

If Stevie wants in later on, cool--as long as it doesn't hold up the project until after the 2017 tour!

I am thrilled they've decided to call the project Fleetwood Mac. They did in in 2003 without Christine, they can do it in 2016 without Stevie. I'd love all four but am actually most interested in Christine's songs anyway.

SteveMacD 09-24-2016 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Scarrott (Post 1191739)
OK, more than I thought, then. Still, it's not like when she used to disappear off the stage for YMLF in 1990, which wasn't great, but given her state of health at the time may have been excusable.

If not altogether preferable.

Jondalar 09-24-2016 08:56 PM

I don't understand people. Does a rock have to hit you in the head before you realize that Stevie is not going to be on the next Fleetwood album? And guess what, it's not Christine's or Lindsey's fault. Stevie doesn't want to do it.

Macfan4life 09-24-2016 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1191747)
I don't understand people. Does a rock have to hit you in the head before you realize that Stevie is not going to be on the next Fleetwood album? And guess what, it's not Christine's or Lindsey's fault. Stevie doesn't want to do it.

I am guessing you are under 14?
What do you want to bet?
She will be there. She has played this game before every album since Mirage.

Jondalar 09-24-2016 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1191749)
I am guessing you are under 14?
What do you want to bet?
She will be there. She has played this game before every album since Mirage.

Run Forest - Run!!!!!!!!!

BombaySapphire3 09-24-2016 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1191749)
I am guessing you are under 14?
What do you want to bet?
She will be there. She has played this game before every album since Mirage.

Well I am 54 and have been a fan since years before Mirage..She has never had zero participation in the making of a new Fleetwood Mac album over 2 and a half years after it's inception. If someone can cite a case otherwise I will stand corrected but I don't think that will be happening.

Macfanforever 09-24-2016 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1191717)
easy! tours make money. albums don't.


I agree on that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1191721)
Money $$$$

Maybe they should cover the tune "Money".............

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp (Post 1191729)
Until there is a new FM album finished and in the Stores without Stevie on it I wouldn't believe a word of what comes out of Mick's mouth.

Same old FM drama...

Yes .Where is his reality show.Also what the press prints out these days.


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