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Wdm6789 09-10-2016 02:21 AM

You guys think there will be a deluxe Tango?
 
It would be really cool, especially if they included You and I part 1 and Ricky, and live tracks from the Tango tour. I really like 1987 live Everywhere.

bwboy 09-10-2016 07:46 AM

I think it will have a deluxe edition, along with a DVD of the concert. I will only buy that if they include either the entire video concert or at least audio. Would love to hear Brown Eyes live, for example.

AncientQueen 09-10-2016 09:35 AM

Nope. I don't think that any of the songs would sound less dated in another version, the songwriting is not really that good on the album, they masked that with the then top notch modern production, which of course now is outdated.

jbrownsjr 09-10-2016 09:56 AM

So many good songs.. I would love a deluxe tango.. I love the different versions of Isn't It Midnight..

FuzzyPlum 09-10-2016 10:21 AM

Would love a deluxe Tango In The Night with all the extra tracks. It would be great to get have a proper, sensibly edited concert footage DVD with all the songs omitted from the original film.
As Mirage is coming out this side of Christmas I feel sure Tango In The Night will come out some time early next year for it's anniversary.

Andy Man 09-10-2016 10:21 AM

I think that there will be a deluxe of Tango because (a) it has some of the band's biggest hits (Everywhere, Little Lies), (b) it was a massive seller at the time, and (c) judging from the decision to re-release Mirage, it is evident that these new redux editions are making enough money for the company.

I would, however, be very surprised if a Tango redux contains any live recordings or the Tango DVD. As this tour was sans Lindsey, I think he (and perhaps some other members of the band) would do a little revisionist history and pretend that the "Tango tour lineup" never existed. At most, I imagine that there would be a small mention of Rick and Billy in the liner notes. I for one would enjoy some live recordings from the tour, particularly "Brown Eyes", but overall this would be the tour I am most ambivalent about having official live documentation/recording from.

Now, a release of the 1975 white album with live recordings from that tour would be a dream.

Macfan4life 09-10-2016 10:55 AM

I would love to see a deluxe version of all the albums. But I don't think we will see one of Tango. I say this for several reasons. The band has been back to its 5 most successful members for a few years now. I don't see them highlighting the Tango tour without Lindsey while including Lindsey demos. I don't think Tango had the excessive tracks the other albums had. This started out as a Lindsey solo album. Each member only brought a few tracks and the album was not worked on in a traditional Mac fashion. I could see a re-mastered version of the songs but I don't see the "deep cuts" or demos that an album like Mirage or Tusk would have.
Brown Eyes is one of my favorite Mac songs. It was a treat to hear live in 1987. I wish this song was on the Mirage live release. Its disappointing they only included the songs that were on HBO.

Ulpian 09-10-2016 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Wdm6789 (Post 1190635)
It would be really cool, especially if they included You and I part 1 and Ricky, and live tracks from the Tango tour. I really like 1987 live Everywhere.

I think there will, as long as the Mirage one sells. Point taken re the live performances, but there are sufficient demos and alternate versions, as well as B sides, to fill up two discs with the album itself.

The logical thing would be to have this and a 1975 album deluxe edition, to complete the set. That said, of course, logic often eludes them...

bwboy 09-10-2016 11:15 AM

I am 100% positive a Deluxe Tango edition will be released. As was already mentioned, it was a big seller, peaking at #7 but staying in the top 40 for almost a year, and had 2 HUGE top 10 hits (Little Lies and Big Love) and 2 decent top 20 hits (Seven Wonders and Everywhere), and all 4 of which they have or still do perform live. There are a handful of unreleased songs they could include, like You and I, Part I, Book of Miracles, Ricky, Down Endless Street, plus the alternate version of Isn't It Midnight. I bet there are a few more outtakes they could include.

As far as the concert dvd, if they only released the audio like they're doing for the Mirage concert, it wouldn't be that distracting. The only Lindsey song they did was Go Your Own Way, and Stevie and Christine sang on that so much, anyway. It's not necessary to 'cover up' this era of the band. Rick and Big and the rest of the band did an outstanding job on Seven Wonders, Oh Well, Little Lies, Everywhere, Isn't It Midnight, Stand Back, and yes, even the Chain.

FuzzyPlum 09-10-2016 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1190660)
I don't think Tango had the excessive tracks the other albums had. This started out as a Lindsey solo album. Each member only brought a few tracks and the album was not worked on in a traditional Mac fashion. I could see a re-mastered version of the songs but I don't see the "deep cuts" or demos that an album like Mirage or Tusk would have.


On the contrary, I reckon they’d have plenty of material available that would be worth bringing together.

Ricky
Down Endless Street
Book of Miracles
You and I Part 1
Joan of Arc
Special Kind of Love
At the Fair
Plus all the 12” single versions
Plus demo versions of album tracks (Welcome to the Room…Sara is fab)
The alternate versions of Tango in the Night and Mystified that RD posted on The Penguins Tale are fantastic and really stand up on their own.
There are various versions of Isn’t It Midnight out there and numerous different instrumental versions of Little Lies. I’m sure there’d be plenty of other such nuggets tucked away.
I'd hope they'd also add ‘Can’t Help Falling in Love’ as the initial catalyst for the album.

SisterNightroad 09-10-2016 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1190671)
On the contrary, I reckon they’d have plenty of material available that would be worth bringing together.

Ricky
Down Endless Street
Book of Miracles
You and I Part 1
Joan of Arc
Special Kind of Love
At the Fair
Plus all the 12” single versions
Plus demo versions of album tracks (Welcome to the Room…Sara is fab)
The alternate versions of Tango in the Night and Mystified that RD posted on The Penguins Tale are fantastic and really stand up on their own.
There are various versions of Isn’t It Midnight out there and numerous different instrumental versions of Little Lies. I’m sure there’d be plenty of other such nuggets tucked away.
I'd hope they'd also add ‘Can’t Help Falling in Love’ as the initial catalyst for the album.

Yeah, I love Joan of Arc and the alternate Caroline demo with additional lyrics. Wasn't there also a Julia outtake?

bombaysaffires 09-10-2016 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ulpian (Post 1190665)
I think there will, as long as the Mirage one sells. Point taken re the live performances, but there are sufficient demos and alternate versions, as well as B sides, to fill up two discs with the album itself.

The logical thing would be to have this and a 1975 album deluxe edition, to complete the set. That said, of course, logic often eludes them.
..

agree with all of this.

sorcerer999 09-10-2016 02:52 PM

A Deluxe version of the 1975 Self Titled Fleetwood Mac album (or "White Album" as Christine is so fond of calling it) needs to come out next, ahead of a Deluxe Tango. I'm amazed they haven't done this already, before "Mirage". It's the album that put the Buckingham Nicks lineup on the map! Would LOVE to hear outtakes of all those tracks, plus the other ones that were supposed to go on the second BN album ("Sorcerer" and maybe more of the Almanac stuff).

They WILL most likely put out a Deluxe Tango since it initially sold more than Tusk and Mirage. But I agree with most people here on the Rumours forum that the quality of songwriting was really lacking in this album, ESPECIALLY from Stevie. How "Joan Of Arc" got booted off the record and "Wassa Matta Baby" stayed on is a mystery to me!

michelej1 09-10-2016 08:11 PM

It could sell especially well in the UK.

Michele

iamnotafraid 09-11-2016 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1190671)
On the contrary, I reckon they’d have plenty of material available that would be worth bringing together.

Ricky

Plus all the 12” single versions


Those are hard to listen to.

Ulpian 09-11-2016 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1190712)
It could sell especially well in the UK.

Michele

It was the soundtrack to pretty much every barbecue my parents had in the late 80s, in my mind.

If they do it, I want the Little Lies demos on it -- love them!

AlexD 09-11-2016 08:18 AM

Seeds We Sow Deluxe Edition is rumored to be coming out soon

FuzzyPlum 09-11-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid (Post 1190721)
Those are hard to listen to.

Surely you aren't saying Ricky is hard to listen to? Each to their own. I think it's a lovely piece of music.
I can appreciate the various extended remixes may not be everyones cup of tea.

Wdm6789 09-11-2016 12:16 PM

I want to hear You and I parts 1 and 2 as one song. They should have just been one song on the album. Get rid of When I See You Again.

UndoingTheLaces 09-11-2016 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wdm6789 (Post 1190747)
I want to hear You and I parts 1 and 2 as one song. They should have just been one song on the album. Get rid of When I See You Again.

I always saw it as a bookend. Part one is the perfect opener to the album. It almost makes it seem like the album is a concept album telling a story. It sets the scene for what's to come. And then Part two is a nice wrap up. It talks about turning in for the night, which kind of makes me think of the way "Never Forget" is the perfect ending for Tusk.

I loved the extended versions. Big Love becomes a huge production and adds some flair with the extra Stevie vocals. Seven Wonders is even better given a softer makeover, it becomes almost epic. Little Lies, I'm not as crazy about. It had a nice soft feeling to it and the dance mix tried to make it more aggressive and that totally didn't work with the feel of the song, in my opinion. I would love to hear how Stevie's ad libs were supposed to sound in the context of the original mix of the song. Having her sing over that little sampled trumpet thing at the end always sounded a bit strange to me. The various mixes of Family Man are fun but he worked so hard getting Stevie's voice to sound all echoey and modulated and whoever did the production on the 12" kind of threw it away by just letting her voice play unfiltered. That could have been the centerpiece of the whole mix but it's just kind of there. And I never heard the 12" of Everwhere back in the day. I don't know if it just wasn't available where I was living or it had a limited release or what, but hearing it years later I really liked it. It would have been in heavy rotation on my mix tapes back then. It kind of makes me think of going through Splash Mountain in Disneyland. It has this sort of playful southern feel to it with the percussion. And there's something wonderfully cartoony about the way the ending is drawn out with the cool little vocal samples and the almost regal keyboard part. If they couldn't find enough demo material for a second disc I think they have more than enough with the extended mixes and B-sides. And they could even have the dub mixes and alternate mixes from the 12" records as bonus downloads in iTunes if they didn't want to take up space on the CD's. Or perhaps have the deluxe CDs be the remastered album, B-sides and demos and have an entire 12" library as a bonus download either on iTunes and/or Amazon.

iamnotafraid 09-12-2016 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1190745)
Surely you aren't saying Ricky is hard to listen to? Each to their own. I think it's a lovely piece of music.

I can appreciate the various extended remixes may not be everyones cup of tea.

Ricky is simply horrible. Almost like you-you-you-you and I....
Don't get me started on When I see You Again.

The remixes are good for one listen.

You drink water, I drink gasoline...

Macfan4life 09-12-2016 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid (Post 1190777)
Ricky is simply horrible. Almost like you-you-you-you and I....
Don't get me started on When I see You Again.

The remixes are good for one listen.

You drink water, I drink gasoline...

Ricky is a pre-programmed Lindsey solo song that musically was given to Christine. It appears Christine embraced it and went along. Its different for sure. I like all of Christine's songs but Ricky is near the end of the list.
Ricky is Caroline meets One more lonely night.

KarmaContestant 09-12-2016 10:48 AM

Of course there will be a Deluxe Tango. It had four huge hits and was immensely popular at the time of release, plus there's a slew of b-sides, alt mixes and unreleased material. The band spent 18 months in the studio working on this - so I'm sure there's plenty of material to work with, even if much of it is demos already in circulation for decades.

FuzzyPlum 09-12-2016 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid (Post 1190777)
Ricky is simply horrible. Almost like you-you-you-you and I....
Don't get me started on When I see You Again.

The remixes are good for one listen.

You drink water, I drink gasoline...


Hmmm. No, I drink Prosecco, old boy.

jbrownsjr 09-12-2016 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1190815)
Hmmm. No, I drink Prosecco, old boy.

Veuve Cliquot.. for this Ledgie..

FuzzyPlum 09-12-2016 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1190816)
Veuve Cliquot.. for this Ledgie..

Well, some of us have more money than sense then :woohoo:

On another matter... no matter how many times I listen to You and I Part 1, I can't get away from the opening line being 'Under strange fookin' skies'. I can't hear the word 'falling' at all. It sounds like an expletive voiced by a person from the North of England.

jbrownsjr 09-12-2016 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1190819)
Well, some of us have more money than sense then :woohoo:

On another matter... no matter how many times I listen to You and I Part 1, I can't get away from the opening line being 'Under strange fookin' skies'. I can't hear the word 'falling' at all. It sounds like an expletive voiced by a person from the North of England.

Does that mean you're buying me a bottle.. ?? lol

KarmaContestant 09-12-2016 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1190819)
Well, some of us have more money than sense then :woohoo:

On another matter... no matter how many times I listen to You and I Part 1, I can't get away from the opening line being 'Under strange fookin' skies'. I can't hear the word 'falling' at all. It sounds like an expletive voiced by a person from the North of England.

'Under strange forbidden skies' is what I'm hearing.

jbrownsjr 09-12-2016 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant (Post 1190821)
'Under strange forbidden skies' is what I'm hearing.

That's how I've always heard it, too.

jcalzaretta 09-12-2016 02:55 PM

Don't forget What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done for You.

FuzzyPlum 09-12-2016 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jcalzaretta (Post 1190828)
Don't forget What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done for You.

Possibly. Was a version ever recorded for Tango In The Night?

jwd 09-12-2016 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1190671)
On the contrary, I reckon they’d have plenty of material available that would be worth bringing together.

Ricky
Down Endless Street
Book of Miracles
You and I Part 1
Joan of Arc
Special Kind of Love
At the Fair
Plus all the 12” single versions
Plus demo versions of album tracks (Welcome to the Room…Sara is fab)
The alternate versions of Tango in the Night and Mystified that RD posted on The Penguins Tale are fantastic and really stand up on their own.
There are various versions of Isn’t It Midnight out there and numerous different instrumental versions of Little Lies. I’m sure there’d be plenty of other such nuggets tucked away.
I'd hope they'd also add ‘Can’t Help Falling in Love’ as the initial catalyst for the album.


I'd say HELL YES! :nod:

Villavic 09-12-2016 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1190644)
I think it will have a deluxe edition, along with a DVD of the concert. I will only buy that if they include either the entire video concert or at least audio. Would love to hear Brown Eyes live, for example.

I think there could be "soon" a Tango deluxe edition, whenever a new Fleetwood Mac álbum is delayed. But, the issue is the live content. Lindsey was not there, so I don't know if they will decide to include it. Who has the last word? The record Company? Mick? The 5 members?

Another issue, but an interesting one. Stevie was less time (just the last weeks since she was in rehab) during record sessions. So there may be material recorded just by 4 members (same as 2014 unreleased studio sessions ha haaa). So, would they include Tango Stevieless versions?? Would be interesting to hear those, anyway (Little Lies, Everywhere).

Street_Dreamer 09-13-2016 07:33 PM

There better be. There's plenty of rare/unreleased material to warrant it.

BaronVonBielski 09-15-2016 06:09 PM

I actually doubt a deluxe Tango will come out. Ken Caillet has been working on the other releases because he was involved initially. But with Tango he had nothing to do with it. Who are they gonna get?

Villavic 09-19-2016 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BaronVonBielski (Post 1191153)
I actually doubt a deluxe Tango will come out. Ken Caillet has been working on the other releases because he was involved initially. But with Tango he had nothing to do with it. Who are they gonna get?

But why he wouldn't accept? Just give him all the material and he may do a good job selecting the songs, the sequence, etc. Even he wasn't involved in the original sessions, it could be fun for him anyway, unless there is something we don't know from the past that makes him adamant about it.

KarmaContestant 09-19-2016 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic (Post 1191302)
But why he wouldn't accept? Just give him all the material and he may do a good job selecting the songs, the sequence, etc. Even he wasn't involved in the original sessions, it could be fun for him anyway, unless there is something we don't know from the past that makes him adamant about it.

Dashut and Buckingham could do it. Or, Warner could just hire anybody, really, since the decision to release it or not lies with them and not the band.

FuzzyPlum 09-19-2016 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant (Post 1191304)
Dashut and Buckingham could do it. Or, Warner could just hire anybody, really, since the decision to release it or not lies with them and not the band.

Yeah, I'd say Richard and Lindsey should do it together. However I can't see Lindsey working with Richard at this stage. I don't think Ken would do it. He'd feel a bit bitter about not being involved in the first place. Also, I think he'd generally just feel like like it was a bit inappropriate. To do such a job properly I think you'd need to have a good intimate knowledge of the source material.

BaronVonBielski 09-20-2016 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1191315)
Yeah, I'd say Richard and Lindsey should do it together. However I can't see Lindsey working with Richard at this stage. I don't think Ken would do it. He'd feel a bit bitter about not being involved in the first place. Also, I think he'd generally just feel like like it was a bit inappropriate. To do such a job properly I think you'd need to have a good intimate knowledge of the source material.


I wholeheartedly agree.

jbrownsjr 09-20-2016 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant (Post 1191304)
Dashut and Buckingham could do it. Or, Warner could just hire anybody, really, since the decision to release it or not lies with them and not the band.

I agree. I think that's how Ken got to doing Mirage.


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