Release the New Album Without Stevie...
 

I never thought i would say it, but, I vote to release the new album without Stevie.

That wont happen. No way no how. They want Stevie to do the 2 year farewell tour. If they would record without her, I don't see her suddenly going on the road with them to promote an album she did not record.

Stevie will come around and will record this album. This is Fleetwood Mac after all. This pattern happens EVERY time an album is coming up.

Stevie threatened to leave the band in 1976 if Lindsey's "Shaking up" line was in GYOW.

Stevie threatened to leave the band in 1979 if the new album was called "Tusk"

Stevie threatened to blackmail the band and tell Rolling Stone she had nothing to do with Tango in the night in 1987

Must I go on?

She will do it at some point and they cannot release a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie Nicks on it. That's ridiculous and not many people would buy it.

Simple answer. No they shouldn't.

They should. But they won't.

Since 1967, there have been numerous groups of people with different faces that have been called "Fleetwood Mac", all with varying degrees of success and artistic credibility. The output has ranged from stellar (Kiln House) to iconic (Rumours) to groundbreaking (Tusk) to forgettable, bland and generic (Behind The Mask). Now that we've finally had the ICONIC Rumours lineup back together, I'm just NOT interested in a product without the COMPLETE Rumours 5, ESPECIALLY the 3 leads. If you're going to record a record WITHOUT Lindsey, Christine or Stevie, you might as well call the band something else and tour as the opening act for REO SPEEDWAGON (Time). As much as I ADORE Stevie Nicks, I'm sorry to say that's she's been a spoiled brat for most of her life. She likes to be catered to, pampered, showered in praised and BEGGED. Most of the "yes people" that she surrounds herself with do this (including Mick because he always needs cash). I just don't think Lindsey and Chris are very good at stroking her ego, thus the hold out. I assume
that after she's begged enough, she'll FINALLY come into
the studio at the END, lay down some background vocals on Chris and Lindsey's songs, re-record 3 of her old demos (Julia) and call it a day. The huge tour will follow for the cash grab. So, ok folks, let the begging chess game begin, the High Priestess is waiting. You know what to tell her. Better hurry before she runs for her life with the Mad Hatter again.

I absolutely agree. Release the album without Stevie, release it soon. Supposedly there's quite a lot of material already recorded, so put out an album now without Stevie, and then in 2017 they can put out another album with her if she finally comes around to wanting to do the album.

I don't buy the argument that no one will buy an album without Stevie. There is a very large fan base for this band and not everyone worships at the feet of Stevie. I think there are a lot of people (myself included) who are intrigued by what the Buckingham/McVie duo combo would come up with. Historically, most of their hits have been Christine songs, and if they have a hit with a Christine song from the new album it will boost sales of the album, whether Stevie is on the record or not.

As for a big tour after an album is released, it's pretty obvious that they would only play a couple of songs from a new album, so Stevie's absence from that album won't matter. She can either just leave the stage or rattle her tambourine and hum into the mike while Chris & Lindsey are doing their songs from the new album.

If she doesn't want to do it, then just release the music without her. It's that simple.

I don't understand why she wouldn't want to be a part of the band that propelled her into stardom. I guess people make everything about themselves. That's the worst thing you can do as an artist.

She tries so hard to stay in the limelight... forgetting why she is an artist in the first place.

One of the reasons why I love Christine so much is that she makes the band better. She creates and groves her way as an artist. She never cared about the limelight and yet... her return put FMac on the tour map in 2014.

Come on guys. They must know that she'll eventually do it otherwise they'd be voicing a lot more anger than this. It's clear that they have some kind of future plan for the recorded music so STOP PANICKING!!!

The "not many people would buy it" argument seems irrelevant to me. Album sales are inconsequential at this point. And wouldn't impact their nostalgia tour one way or another.

They could release the album and promote the tour as a "farewell" tour not a [INSERT NAME OF NEW ALBUM] tour and the concert seats would still get taken.

Michele

Oh yeah, as if Stevie would pass on the album but do a massive tour. I think you guys need to chill out a bit and be even more patient because there will be new music eventually and on what format and when I don't know but we'll get it. JESUS!!!

Do you think it's that much different than when Lindsey, in 1987, didn't want to be part of the band that propelled him into stardom? Like everyone, they ultimately have to live their lives for themselves.

At least he didn't hold them up and left the band.

As I said in another thread, there is precedent for releasing an album without one of the vocalists without that vocalist leaving the band. Jeremy Spencer didn't have any songs on "Then Play On" and barely played on the album but was still a member of the band.

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You are spot on. In the age of streaming and youtube, few artists move millions of units anymore. Fleetwood Mac can make any album they want, but it won't sell over 500,000 units. A million units would be aiming high. For dinosaur acts like The Mac, album sales don't make one bit of difference--concert seats will be filled. Moreover, 85% of people sitting in those seats don't care one bit about a NEW album. That's the sorry state of the music business nowadays.

So then they are holding themselves up; Stevie isn't.

Um yes I do. Because he quit the band. She isn't quitting the band. Unless, you know something I don't. If you want to live your own life that's fine. But I think you are completely missing the point.

Exactly my point. Either in or out. You want to live your own life.. By all means... please do...

Well, now you're starting to make sense (somewhat). They have 5 different managers with lawyers etc. That indeed does hold up the band. So Mike.. guess which member's management is holding up the rest of the band?? Just take a stab at it.

As for the other 4.. I do blame them for being gutless.

Why would Stevie have anything against not being on the album and doing a massive tour. It's not like a lot of the album songs would be on the tour anyway. What does she care? And anyway, I don't mind if they don't tour at all. I'd rather have the album than another tour. The band wants a tour. But the idea that we have to wait for Stevie to be in the mood because she won't tour unless she is on the album -- which she has not been interested in doing for YEARS -- is anathema to me.

As far as people being patient, first of all, they're seventy and all of their friends are dropping dead. "Eventually" doesn't cut it any longer.

Second of all, it's been 13 years since SYW. I don't think asking for a new band album is jumping the gun. Maybe if we'd asked in just the 10th year we would have been getting ahead of ourselves, but around year 13, are we still being impatient?

Third of all, talking about something incessantly on a message board doesn't actually signify impatience in a real world sense. I mean, if you're on a message board and just say, "I am going to sit and quietly way for an album. I don't care if it takes another 5 years, I will NOT complain," what are you going to post about? I mean, isn't the nature of a forum to comment on things big and small from reeboks to albums that will never be released?

The Harry Potter fans didn't bide their time since the last book being QUIET. They probably posted non-stop about wanting new material and now ... they have a cursed child.

Michele

Yes, I blame them. She is immaterial at this point. It makes no sense for them to talk about what she will and will not do. What are Christine and Lindsey going to do? I wish Lindsey had the mentality he had in the past.

Michele

I don't know, to be honest. Peter Green and Danny Kirwan wanted to go in a direction Jeremy Spencer either didn't want to or couldn't go in, so they came up with an arrangement that allowed them to record an album as Fleetwood Mac without Jeremy while Jeremy stayed in the band.

I don't know if Stevie would be willing to make that arrangement. I don't know whether or not she'd threaten to leave if they released an album without her. Given this late stage in their careers, I don't see them asking her to leave or doing something that would make her want to leave. They have one more big tour and the classic lineup is in tact. An album may or may not not sell, but a tour definitely will.

If it were 10 to 15 years earlier, I'd absolutely part ways with her, but realistically it's all about to wrap up in the next few years.

Either you're a little touchy or I am, because I don't usually find your posts to be as condescending as these are coming across. What point am I missing? You asked why she wouldn't want to be part of the band that made her a star. I think it's safe to assume it's because she doesn't find the prospect of going into the studio to be fulfilling or enjoyable, much like Lindsey felt about a 1987 tour. And as far as "taking a stab at it," I'm well aware that Mick, Chris, and Lindsey are ready to record, but you and everyone who talk about "holding up the band" are perpetuating the unfounded notion that Stevie has some sort of ownership rights over the name "Fleetwood Mac." A complete lack of balls is the only reason the new Fleetwood Mac album isn't coming out tomorrow, or even last year for that matter.

Can we just let this topic go now?
We will get a new album eventually. Be patient. And no, the Mac would NOT record a new album without Stevie. That would be like The Rolling Stones recording an album without Keith Richard's.......

Someone could always start a petition on change.org for FM to release the album without Stevie if she won't agree to record by a certain date, and then everyone could spread it all over social media. If enough people sign the petition the media could get wind of it, it would be sort of a wake up call for the band. Maybe if the band and Stevie got the message that their fans are absolutely at their wits end, the band could come up with some sort of solution.

Then there is the other option... BURN THE WITCH!! :laugh:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...00/burning.jpg

Except that Fleetwood Mac had a vibrant career prior to Stevie joining. The only constants in the Stones are Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.

Thanks I laughed so hard. ..

I don't get why she wouldn't want to be a part of THE LAST project of the band that gave her everything.

You comparing it to Tango and Lindsey quitting is not even in the ballpark.

Sorry, if I"m coming off as a jerk.. I'm just so frustrated with not getting to hear the new music that I guess I am becoming a little impolite. I apologize (sincerely)

They could bring back Rick and Billy . They have material to add to a live show and they could also contribute new material

No apologies needed. You have your opinions share them

Thank you, I appreciate that.

Yeah, you got me there.

Christine
 

I wonder how Christine might feel knowing that the band comes to a screeching halt because Stevie might not be involved, but when she left, they barely batted an eyelash before they put out another album. It's kind of insulting and I think unprofessional of Stevie to not recognize that.

Screeching halt. It's Mick and John's band and as much always said as long as there's the 2 of them them there is a Fleetwood Mac. And it's only fitting that some of us who've been around before them,s supported Fleetwood Mac with out Lindsey and Christine so we'll get through without Stevie

If they ever commence work on a new album, they are only going to do it with their most successful lineup.

For real. Nobody in the general public will care if it's not this superstar lineup.

Well, it took them 5 years to put out an album after she left. That's more than batting an eyelash. Michele

No one here is asking for a an album for the "general public." And the "general public" is not interested in new music from the band. The "general public" is happy with the nostalgia. Even with Stevie, the album is not going to sell.

Michele

I'm giving you a post Landslide performance hug. lol

Yeah..which is the primary reason that the album has been shelved.If the album had a chance of selling millions it would already be completed.

I think you may have missed my point. I know the "general public" (myself included) could care less about what the lineup is. I was saying that I don't think the band would record an album where Stevie is excluded.