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SisterNightroad 01-16-2015 04:30 PM

Stevie on "THE VOCAL RANGES OF THE WORLD’S GREATEST SINGERS
 
I don't know if this has already been posted but I find it very interesting for people who are curious about Stevie's vocal range:


The Vocal Ranges of the Greatest Singers. From Mariah Carey's ear-piercing whistle to Barry White's deep bassy growl, compare the vocal ranges of today's top artists with the greatest of all time. (via ConcertHotels.com).


http://www.concerthotels.com/worlds-...t-vocal-ranges

bombaysaffires 01-16-2015 05:07 PM

this must be based on later rather than earlier in her career because she had a sweet upper range back then that is long gone now

SisterNightroad 01-16-2015 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1158326)
this must be based on later rather than earlier in her career because she had a sweet upper range back then that is long gone now

It says in the beginning that it's based on studio recordings.
By the way the wideness of the range is not the only thing to make a good singer as you can see in Robert Plant and Freddie Mercury's case.
Stevie's range is not bad since is wider than Jery Lee Lewis and Sam Cooke's.

BlueDenimLamp 01-16-2015 05:35 PM

I see the others from FM didn't make the "Vocal range of the worlds greatest singers" list.

BlueDenimLamp 01-16-2015 05:51 PM

There's an entire thread on "Stevie's range" some might find interesting...Stevie's Vocal Range

bombaysaffires 01-16-2015 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1158328)
It says in the beginning that it's based on studio recordings.
By the way the wideness of the range is not the only thing to make a good singer as you can see in Robert Plant and Freddie Mercury's case.
Stevie's range is not bad since is wider than Jery Lee Lewis and Sam Cooke's.

agreed it is a combo of qualities that makes a good singer, but I was going by the graphic on the page you shared… if you look along the bottom they replicate a piano keyboard and the bars for each singer show where on the musical scale their vocal range falls. Stevie's range doesn't go as high as many of the others (like, oh Mariah Carey -- though it never did) but her range DID go higher than it is now. In fact, after Rumours it dimished a lot.. there was some left on Tusk but thereafter it was truly gone. So if they go by the preponderance of her recordings, her range indeed is lower. It's why many of us love her old demos--- it's the only way to get more of her voice during that period since her 3 songs per album just didn't do it justice. :mad:

Macfanforever 01-16-2015 08:49 PM

I wonder what range I cover.LOL..........................................

They got her in the basement.

I did notice some of them are screamers like Mariah Carry.Her music is OK.

SisterNightroad 01-17-2015 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1158335)
agreed it is a combo of qualities that makes a good singer, but I was going by the graphic on the page you shared… if you look along the bottom they replicate a piano keyboard and the bars for each singer show where on the musical scale their vocal range falls. Stevie's range doesn't go as high as many of the others (like, oh Mariah Carey -- though it never did) but her range DID go higher than it is now. In fact, after Rumours it dimished a lot.. there was some left on Tusk but thereafter it was truly gone. So if they go by the preponderance of her recordings, her range indeed is lower. It's why many of us love her old demos--- it's the only way to get more of her voice during that period since her 3 songs per album just didn't do it justice. :mad:

If it's based on studio recordings then I think Stevie's range would be wider in the lower part, not in the higher one, since her recordings in the studio are all sung higher than she did live, like in The chain's case. Since this analysis includes God's garden for the lowest note I think her demos have been taken into account.
I did found this site on vocal ranges that explains a bit better where she hit the highest and lowest notes: http://therangeplace.forummotions.co...1-stevie-nicks

KarmaContestant 01-17-2015 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp (Post 1158329)
I see the others from FM didn't make the "Vocal range of the worlds greatest singers" list.

Neither did Celine Dion, which I find unusual. Or Barbara Streisand. Or Alicia Keys. or many, many more.

aleuzzi 01-17-2015 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant (Post 1158392)
Neither did Celine Dion, which I find unusual. Or Barbara Streisand. Or Alicia Keys. or many, many more.

Alicia Keys is on it. A few levels above Stevie. But yeah, where the heck is Streisand?

DauphineMarie 01-17-2015 12:11 PM

During the RAL tour though, she really hit some high notes that would better reflect her overall range, because I know at least I can sing higher than the E5 and those RAL notes I can't hit.

Dodfather 01-17-2015 02:15 PM

I'm just glad to see Karen Carpenter finally included in any list such as this. For me, she is the best female voice ever (as much as I love Stevie) and while everyojne agrees that Karen had an amazing voice she still is often overlooked.

Jondalar 01-17-2015 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodfather (Post 1158409)
I'm just glad to see Karen Carpenter finally included in any list such as this. For me, she is the best female voice ever (as much as I love Stevie) and while everyojne agrees that Karen had an amazing voice she still is often overlooked.

I thought the same thing about Karen Carpenter.

twinmatrix 01-17-2015 03:25 PM

Rihanna on that list above Stevie Nicks? Katy Perry that high? List invalid lol.

WildHearted 01-17-2015 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twinmatrix (Post 1158415)
Rihanna on that list above Stevie Nicks? Katy Perry that high? List invalid lol.

It's just listing in order of the expanse of their range....

tabruns 01-17-2015 04:26 PM

I think its odd that Ann Wilson isn't on the list.

welcomechris 01-17-2015 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildHearted (Post 1158416)
It's just listing in order of the expanse of their range....

have you listened to katy perry unplugged? ear shattering, painful to listen to

SisterNightroad 03-15-2015 03:35 PM

Stevie Nicks Voice Changes: Can a Perforated Septum Affect Your Voice?
by Dr. Reena Gupta


Stevie Nicks has come back onto the stage in a big way. The current Fleetwood Mac tour has shed the spotlight on her once again, and among other topics, she is opening up about her struggles with drug addiction. Among the most prominent tales in Nicks’s lore is that of the hole in her septum. She has openly discussed that it is large and that it affects her eyes and her sinuses. But she has also mentioned it impacts her singing voice.

Fans have bemoaned the change in Stevie Nicks’s voice but even those unfamiliar with her music can hear a clear difference in the vocal quality between these two recordings of the same song:




The latter, recorded in 2011, is rewritten to avoid higher pitches. The earlier recording (from 1977) shows the vocal agility and quality that made Nicks a star. From 2:10 to 2:49 in that video, her gift is obvious. Clear tone, easy pitch manipulation, effortless appearance while singing and lyricism all stand out.

So could a perforated septum have changed all that?

What is a septum?

The septum is the structure in your nose that divides it into two sides (right and left). It is made up of bone in the back and cartilage in the front. The septum is lined by mucosa, a moist tissue that is like the lining of the inside of your mouth. Through blood vessels in the mucosa, the septum receives nutrients and oxygen to survive.

A perforation of the septum most commonly occurs in the cartilage portion of the septum. Many things can cause a septal perforation. The most important factor is the blood supply to the cartilage must be blocked.

What can block blood supply to the septum?

Medications and drugs that cause the blood vessels to constrict (or tighten up) will result in less blood flow to the cartilage. When this occurs chronically, over time the mucosa dies as do the blood vessels within the mucosa. When the blood vessels die, the cartilage can no longer receive nutrients and oxygen and so it, too, dies.

Blood supply can be interrupted, causing perforation, by:

Afrin
Cocaine
Nasal trauma
Rhinoplasty or septum surgery
Chronic nose-picking

Can a perforated septum affect your voice?

A perforated septum does affect on the voice:

Nasal resonance: the voice sounds more nasal
Post nasal drip: increased nasal secretions due to a septal perforation will drip onto the vocal cords, cause mild hoarseness and throat clearing
It will not cause a loss of vocal range nor should it produce chronic raspiness.

Will correcting the septal perforation change Stevie Nicks’s voice?

Fixing her septum will not worsen Nicks’s voice, nor did the perforation cause the changes in her voice. More likely than the perforation, the probable causes of her loss of range and change in quality are:

Cocaine: when cocaine is sniffed, it drips on to the vocal cords, causing chronic swelling
Rock singing: if not done carefully and with excellent technique, this can result in vocal scarring that is irreversible.
Aging: younger vocal cords may be able to “get away with” some of the behaviors (i.e., smoking, drug use, not resting, singing incorrectly) that over time will become unrecoverable. Vocal cords lose their ability to heal from injury with age.
These factors likely resulted in scarring which produces a loss of vocal range and change in vocal quality.

However, repairing the septum will improve her nasal resonance, giving her sound a more rich color and making it less nasal. This is feasible, should she choose to do it, with the help of an expert surgeon.

Luckily, Stevie Nicks’ legacy and gift for songwriting and performing, as well as her passion for music, will continue to inspire fans and music-lovers alike, enabling her to defy what might be career-ending for any other performer.




http://www.ohniww.org/perforated-septum-affect-voice/

DauphineMarie 03-15-2015 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1162828)
Stevie Nicks Voice Changes: Can a Perforated Septum Affect Your Voice?
by Dr. Reena Gupta


Stevie Nicks has come back onto the stage in a big way. The current Fleetwood Mac tour has shed the spotlight on her once again, and among other topics, she is opening up about her struggles with drug addiction. Among the most prominent tales in Nicks’s lore is that of the hole in her septum. She has openly discussed that it is large and that it affects her eyes and her sinuses. But she has also mentioned it impacts her singing voice.

Fans have bemoaned the change in Stevie Nicks’s voice but even those unfamiliar with her music can hear a clear difference in the vocal quality between these two recordings of the same song:




The latter, recorded in 2011, is rewritten to avoid higher pitches. The earlier recording (from 1977) shows the vocal agility and quality that made Nicks a star. From 2:10 to 2:49 in that video, her gift is obvious. Clear tone, easy pitch manipulation, effortless appearance while singing and lyricism all stand out.

So could a perforated septum have changed all that?

What is a septum?

The septum is the structure in your nose that divides it into two sides (right and left). It is made up of bone in the back and cartilage in the front. The septum is lined by mucosa, a moist tissue that is like the lining of the inside of your mouth. Through blood vessels in the mucosa, the septum receives nutrients and oxygen to survive.

A perforation of the septum most commonly occurs in the cartilage portion of the septum. Many things can cause a septal perforation. The most important factor is the blood supply to the cartilage must be blocked.

What can block blood supply to the septum?

Medications and drugs that cause the blood vessels to constrict (or tighten up) will result in less blood flow to the cartilage. When this occurs chronically, over time the mucosa dies as do the blood vessels within the mucosa. When the blood vessels die, the cartilage can no longer receive nutrients and oxygen and so it, too, dies.

Blood supply can be interrupted, causing perforation, by:

Afrin
Cocaine
Nasal trauma
Rhinoplasty or septum surgery
Chronic nose-picking

Can a perforated septum affect your voice?

A perforated septum does affect on the voice:

Nasal resonance: the voice sounds more nasal
Post nasal drip: increased nasal secretions due to a septal perforation will drip onto the vocal cords, cause mild hoarseness and throat clearing
It will not cause a loss of vocal range nor should it produce chronic raspiness.

Will correcting the septal perforation change Stevie Nicks’s voice?

Fixing her septum will not worsen Nicks’s voice, nor did the perforation cause the changes in her voice. More likely than the perforation, the probable causes of her loss of range and change in quality are:

Cocaine: when cocaine is sniffed, it drips on to the vocal cords, causing chronic swelling
Rock singing: if not done carefully and with excellent technique, this can result in vocal scarring that is irreversible.
Aging: younger vocal cords may be able to “get away with” some of the behaviors (i.e., smoking, drug use, not resting, singing incorrectly) that over time will become unrecoverable. Vocal cords lose their ability to heal from injury with age.
These factors likely resulted in scarring which produces a loss of vocal range and change in vocal quality.

However, repairing the septum will improve her nasal resonance, giving her sound a more rich color and making it less nasal. This is feasible, should she choose to do it, with the help of an expert surgeon.

Luckily, Stevie Nicks’ legacy and gift for songwriting and performing, as well as her passion for music, will continue to inspire fans and music-lovers alike, enabling her to defy what might be career-ending for any other performer.




http://www.ohniww.org/perforated-septum-affect-voice/

This is absolutely fascinating. I think it would be great if Stevie would consider that surgery, because as she ages her voice will lose more of its quality. Although she says she will never have it repaired because she's afraid that it would change her voice.

Thanks for posting, great read. :wavey:

PenguinHead 03-15-2015 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1162828)
Stevie Nicks Voice Changes: Can a Perforated Septum Affect Your Voice?
by Dr. Reena Gupta

Fans have bemoaned the change in Stevie Nicks’s voice but even those unfamiliar with her music can hear a clear difference in the vocal quality between these two recordings of the same song:

The latter, recorded in 2011, is rewritten to avoid higher pitches. The earlier recording (from 1977) shows the vocal agility and quality that made Nicks a star. From 2:10 to 2:49 in that video, her gift is obvious. Clear tone, easy pitch manipulation, effortless appearance while singing and lyricism all stand out.

The 1977 clip of Stevie hitting the high notes in this clip is somewhat of a misrepresentation. Not very far into the Rumours tour she dropped those high notes. It's easier to stretch her voice in a studio. When she's on tour she plays it safe to preserve her voice.

She was still in her twenties. Why should anyone be surprised that her voice is different now that she is in her mid-sixties? It's natural that she lost some of her vocal agility as she aged. But throughout her career she's always had vocal issues.

She still has a powerful voice, albeit limited in range, but she makes the most of it. With faint grasp of her higher range, she utilizes her lower range. She can still belt it out.

vivfox 03-15-2015 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1162828)
Many things can cause a septal perforation.
Blood supply can be interrupted, causing perforation, by:

Afrin
Cocaine
Nasal trauma
Rhinoplasty or septum surgery
Chronic nose-picking

Chronic nose-picking? That's it. I'm screwed.:laugh::wavey::woohoo:

pattyfan 03-15-2015 10:25 PM

Wow, Miley Cyrus is one of the world's greatest singers. Who knew? :)

Kevin

SisterNightroad 03-16-2015 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pattyfan (Post 1162841)
Wow, Miley Cyrus is one of the world's greatest singers. Who knew? :)

Kevin

No, it says in the subheading "Compare the vocal ranges of today’s top artists with the greatest of all time."

SisterNightroad 03-16-2015 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1162840)
Chronic nose-picking? That's it. I'm screwed.:laugh::wavey::woohoo:

Unfortunately you're not the only one...

http://media.giphy.com/media/EvTFggnIhasY8/giphy.gif

SisterNightroad 03-16-2015 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 1162839)
The 1977 clip of Stevie hitting the high notes in this clip is somewhat of a misrepresentation. Not very far into the Rumours tour she dropped those high notes. It's easier to stretch her voice in a studio. When she's on tour she plays it safe to preserve her voice.

She was still in her twenties. Why should anyone be surprised that her voice is different now that she is in her mid-sixties? It's natural that she lost some of her vocal agility as she aged. But throughout her career she's always had vocal issues.

She still has a powerful voice, albeit limited in range, but she makes the most of it. With faint grasp of her higher range, she utilizes her lower range. She can still belt it out.

It's true that the Paris rehearsals performance used for the Dreams official video is above her average performance but t the time she could hit those notes and do it well, but now she can't even at her best.
She always had vocal issues, even during the first tour, but then they were temporary and she managed to recover, now they are permanent.
During the Rumours tour she never completely dropped the high notes, she almost always managed to hit them even if not like before until 1978. On bootleg she completely avoided them only during her worst days, like at the Madison Square Garden and in Nagoya. I think the last high note she hits in "Dreams" is on the Osaka show.

pattyfan 03-16-2015 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1162845)
No, it says in the subheading "Compare the vocal ranges of today’s top artists with the greatest of all time."

Oh, thanks for that. My 50 year old eyes could not read that fine print, and I hadn't clicked on the image to see it in its original, larger version. But I'm glad I did. It's interesting that the lowest note Stevie hits in the studio is on God's Garden, but now that I think about it, she does get really low on that one. Also, I think it's even more interesting that they even included that song in their data. Most non die hard fans don't even know about that song. They really did their homework. :)

Kevin

SisterNightroad 03-16-2015 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pattyfan (Post 1162850)
Oh, thanks for that. My 50 year old eyes could not read that fine print, and I hadn't clicked on the image to see it in its original, larger version. But I'm glad I did. It's interesting that the lowest note Stevie hits in the studio is on God's Garden, but now that I think about it, she does get really low on that one. Also, I think it's even more interesting that they even included that song in their data. Most non die hard fans don't even know about that song. They really did their homework. :)

Kevin

No problem! I would have been severely worried if they considered some of the names on that list among the greatest singers af all time. t
I enjoyed this list, they roamed well on Stevie's catalogue!

The Juggler 03-17-2015 07:41 AM

Very interesting read - I always wondered what made her voice change so much in 5 years between 1982 and 1987, I suppose it was a combination of coke, cigarettes and a lot of other things.

I always wondered when Christine smoked (still does) and did coke too, her voice hasn't changed much at all. It's matured, but hasn't changed so much like Stevie's.

SisterNightroad 03-17-2015 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Juggler (Post 1162881)
Very interesting read - I always wondered what made her voice change so much in 5 years between 1982 and 1987, I suppose it was a combination of coke, cigarettes and a lot of other things.

I always wondered when Christine smoked (still does) and did coke too, her voice hasn't changed much at all. It's matured, but hasn't changed so much like Stevie's.

Thank you!
Thinking about Stevie's last admissions about her taking aspirin and other meds through her nose, the hole in her septum is no big surprise.

SisterNightroad 04-05-2015 08:32 AM


I had heard about collagen injections to vocal chords used to rejuvenate voice, but I wonder if it's worth it.
What do you think?

David 04-05-2015 08:04 PM

It's a shame not to see Jessye Norman or Renata Tebaldi on that list. I guess they don't measure up.


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