No Grammy's for "24 Karat Gold"
 

The Grammy nominations are out 2015 Grammy's and it looks like "24K" has been completely ignored...If Stevie had properly promoted "24K' it might have been a different story.

I love 24KG but I doubt it, really.

Stevie has never been the Grammy's darling - and they merged the category she used to get nominated for (Best Female Rock Vocal) with its male counterpart a few years back, so the competition is stiff.

I don't think it was eligible....I think the cut off date was September 30th, so even though the vinyl was out, I think the actual street date was viewed as October 7th.
Maybe next year (but I kind of doubt it.....this seems like more of a "fan" album!)?

24 Karat Gold
 

Yep. The Grammy cutoff was 9/30, but sometimes labels release the vinyl album prior to the CD/digital release date to be eligible.

Not sure when Stevie's vinyl was released, but I agree with you that this was most likely viewed as a fan album, and not a proper studio album.

Looks like she missed the boat on getting it out on time. What else is new.She is always overlooked with this organization .

I dont know why she waste her time dealing with this organization since they dont give a sheet about her.She and FM are always overlooked.

It will looks like the FM album release will missed the boat for next years Grammy' s.

When things miss the eligibility date it doesn't mean they can't be nominated period - it means they can't be nominated for THAT particular year. They just get shifted to the next Grammy's instead.

A fan album? Only fans would like TOSOTM or Street Angel or TISL. This album is terrific and for the masses.

I agree with you. 24 Karat Gold is not a 'fan album'. It's critically acclaimed in many publications as her best since the 80's. The Grammy's don't care when songs were written. All that matters is that it meets the criteria for the release dates.

With so many in the music industry professing that Stevie is their darling, you'd think she would have some clout for a nomination.

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What? TOSOTM was her most popular release in Europe right, and TISL is amazing, full of "hits" like Planets of the Universe. Street Angel isn't a "fan release" either, although I guess only fans would like it.

But I can see 24 Karat Gold as a "fan album", definitely.

I agree! I just think it didn't get the proper push/promotion as a brand new studio album from a veteran artist. Of course, her concert schedule with FM may have been the reason why.

I honestly thought it would sell much better after seeing the Lady video hit 500,000 views in no time at all.

[QUOTE=Nick;1157655]I agree! I just think it didn't get the proper push/promotion as a brand new studio album from a veteran artist. Of course, her concert schedule with FM may have been the reason why.[/QUOTE


Bingo .I agree.The timing was or is all screwed up.The same when she toured with Rod Stewart .She could of takin a rain check from that tour.It ruined her IYD release when she got sick.

To bad the artists or bands have to sign those multiple album contracts.

You're crazy. TOSOM did well in Europe because it came after Tango in the Night which was a huge hit over there. She had a major push from The Dance for TISL that led the album to go gold. But the album didn't live up to the hype and never got good word of mouth and just died. Only Nicks fans would like those albums.

24K has the music to back it up. What has killed it is the lack of promotion and her fans who can't get over the demos or get over the fact that the album has actually done well critically.

I have to disagree, I don't think 24 Karat Gold actually has any hits. It's an awesome album but it's basically a collection of demos and throw-away songs that were re-recorded. It's literally the closest thing you can get to a "fan album" per definition -- a collection of songs that only fans ever knew or cared about. Plus, to quote Stevie, she was trying to "make a good album, not a hit record" (paraphrasing). On the other hand, Rooms on Fire, Two Kinds of Love, Whole Lotta Trouble, Planets in the Universe and Sorcerer are quite well-known. At least here.

Sad TISL didn't get good word of mouth. That album is flawless. :eek: I don't know why you call me crazy though, haha. Don't take my opinion of the album as a personal attack? :P

If she were in her heyday, plenty of songs would of charted in the top 40 from 24k. Radio won't play her now. She is old, she is a woman and she is rock. Country radio is too backward to play music from a so called witch. 24k is a great album. The songs from TOSOTM and TISL mostly sound like demos.

How on earth does TISL mostly sound like demos? Have you listened to the rich production and melodic structures of that album? :shrug: 24 Karat Gold is literally an album composed of re-recorded demos over the course of a few weeks.

The only songs I see as could having charted are The Dealer and Starshine and those are so-so to me compared to Rooms On Fire, Long Way To Go, etc.

But yes the music industry is unfortunately ageist... And I'm mostly fan of older female singers so I'm used to seeing next to zero charting lol.

Not all songs on TISL sound like demos. The title track is great. The material is nowhere near as strong as 24k. There are no strong radio singles on the album. Rooms on Fire is a good, original single. Most of the songs from TOSOTM sound like ideas, not songs. That is an awful album. That and Street Angel just about killed her career. Thank god for The Dance.

The Dealer, Hard Advice, Blue Water, Starshine, 24k, She Still Loves Him... All could of been hits. Even Bella Fleur and I Don't Care would of gotten play.

I'm just sitting here with an expression like

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I can't stand I Don't Care but the other songs you mention are great, of course. I'm surprised you left out Mabel Normand and Lady, those two are really powerful. Although the former probably doesn't have commercial appeal. But neither does Blue Water.

What songs don't you like from TOSOTM? (Or should I ask which ones DO you like, haha.)

I like Rooms on Fire, Juliet and ooh My Love.

Questions:

When did you become a fan of Stevie's and how old are you?

Became a fan about 2 years ago and I'm mid-twenties. So no, I wasn't around for the releases of these albums and am basing my opinion purely on taste and what I've read. I'm a pretty new fan.

Questions:

How old are you and when did you become a fan? ＼(ﾟｰﾟ＼)

Although I have to say, aside from Stevie I haven't become a fan of any new singer in 5 years or so. I'm really picky when it comes to liking an artist, so discovering her was fantastic. Her background story, personality, ambiguous lyrics, rich production and unique voice really resonate with me. Out of all the artists I listen to, her, Dido and Avril Lavigne are probably the people I could get along with the most.

We are coming from different perspectives. I grew up on Rumours and Bella Donna, so that was the sound and production that made me a fan. If you became a fan because of TISL or TOSOTM no wonder you don't like 24K Gold. In my arrogance, I have forgotten that those albums actually did create some fans besides losing fans. So sorry for that.

To me, 24k Gold is the kind of album that made Stevie famous. But not to everyone...

Ah, that's a good point. I can see the similarities between her first work and 24K Gold; of course those songs were written mostly around the era you became a fan.

I became a fan because of her other side of the catalogue (pun intended), so yeah we have a different perspective. Although I do love 24K, my taste is more TISL-style.

It's all good. :) I love an artist who has different music styles. Gives the fans something to discuss.

I love it when fans get into heated discussions on here about which Stevie albums have mass appeal and which don't.

I mean, we are the last people who anyone should be asking about that. You guys know that, right?

I love 24kg but it is definitely an album of non-hooky deep cuts that were released because fans kept clamouring on about how much they loved the old demos. It is completely reasonable to call it a "fan" album. Whatever you might think of the quality of TOSTOM, it was conceived as an album of glossy pop songs by a commercially hot producer. Totally different mentality behind it. But I don't really see why the comparison even came up.

Stevie's never received much attention from the Grammy's, but that's fine with me. Any artist who puts "Grammy Award Winning" before their name is usually a guaranteed bore. I'm good!

I lost track of the discussion somewhere in the middle as well, haha.

Key here being that she *had* a major push from The Dance, and then waited 4 years to capitalize on it and release an album.

*insert sad, despondent tuba sounds here*

Also, Planets hit number one on the Billboard Dance charts. 1. I'd say that goes beyond something only fans would like.

That remix is atrocious, though. I have no idea how that ever happened.

Jondalar and twinmatrix:

I have to disagree with you both. 24KG is a great album, IMO, its probably the closest she's come to an album with the sound and quality level of Bella Donna. I agree with Jondalar that many of the songs would have been hits in Nicks' heyday: the title track, "Starshine," "Blue Water," possibly "Lady".

On the other hand, OSOTM and TISL are much better albums than Jondalar gives them credit for. OSOTM is probably Nicks' most underrated album, IMO. The writing is solid, "Rooms On Fire" and "Whole Lotta Trouble" are great tracks. TISL in particular is a very strong album, a solid comeback, and had great success: Top 5, nearly 700,000 in sales in the US, two Top 20 AC hits ("Every Day" and "Sorcerer"), and a number 1 dance hit "Planets of the Universe".

:laugh: Right?! When I put Stevie on shuffle on my phone, any time one of those Planets remixes come up I skip them because they sound so dated.

Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you. I never questioned the album's quality. I merely stated it was a "fan album", because it's comprised of old demos that were re-recorded at the persistent request of fans. :nod:

Yeah, I kinda like dance music, but that Illicit Mix... :D

But, this is true on every Nicks album since the mid-80s, right (and arguably before that, if you count songs that were demo'd for Mac but ended up on Bella Donna or The Wild Heart)?

IYD: "Secret Love" and "Moonlight"
TISL: "Candlebright," "Sorcerer," and "Planets of the Universe"
SA: Nearly all of it, I believe, with the exceptions of "Blue Denim," and the outside songwriter songs

So the thing about 24KG that's different is that there aren't newly written songs added into the mix. I understand your point of view about this, but I think the quality of the songwriting from that phase of Nicks' life makes this a very high quality album of songs rather than a collection of "cast offs".

Of course a song being a demo or cast off doesn't mean much per se. Planets of the Universe is amazing and was a demo for so long because she never got it to sound the way she wanted it to (or so I read). Moonlight is one of my favorite songs; I didn't even know that was "old". :D (Are you sure about that, btw? Considering it was written with Twilight as inspiration and the first novel came out in 2005...) Technically every song is once a demo, hehe. I understand that a "fan track" or "demo" can sound negative, though.

But didn't Stevie say she released 24 Karat Gold because she was informed of her fans loving the unreleased songs on Youtube?

Moonlight = Lady From The Mountain. Recorded for Tusk, Bella Donna, Rock A Little and finally released on In Your Dreams after Twilight inspired some additional lyrics.

I have to agree with Twin....the first time I heard the album, I was VERY disappointed. It has since grown on me, but I still feel there are very few "classic" songs on the disc.....there's a reason why most of them were passed over for previous solo efforts or FM albums......they're just not that great.

What albums do you like? What were you expecting?

If FM gets their rear in gear with their album and get it released before the deadline.They might get into the grammy noms on time,

On the otherhand .They probably will get ignored again as always.

Their pears rather vote for crap and unknowns.

It's suspect to theorize that Fleetwood Mac's motivation in making an album concerns winning awards. Their likely intention is to just make an album they can be proud of, regardless of their peers and commercial potential. There are so many artists who have won Grammy awards yet had short-lived careers or have fallen off the radar of public consciousness. Fleetwood Mac is a historic, legendary band, with enduring world-wide recognition. They are far beyond yearning for an award to prove themselves. However, it would be very sweet if they turn out an album of such high caliber that it garners that level of appreciation.

Those dreadful drum machines! It's like throwing brown paint on a Rhiannon painting! :mad: The one song that needs to be remixed today with a proper drum arrangement is "Nightbird."

Bingo .I agree.Many have dropped off the radar .FM would be fine and live forever.

FM is like Ford,Chevy or Dodge or even Hoover vacuums .It went through changes of life and still moving on.

Radio Shack.Thats a whole other topic.

Those drum machines remind me of the little Casio keyboard I got for $40 bucks at Crazy Eddie years ago.I still suck playing it today.