Why aren't there any leaked Lindsey demo tapes?
 

As most if not all Ledgies are aware, dozens of leaked Stevie Nicks demos are available on YouTube.

We know that Lindsey and Christine both have demos of new songs in their possession.

My questions are:

Why is it that only Stevie's demos are ever leaked on YouTube? Who is responsible for those leaks?

Also, why is that nobody has ever leaked a demo of an unreleased Lindsey song or an unreleased Christine song?

Well, Stevie always admitted to hand her demos to whoever visited her house, probably Christine and Lindsey keep their demos locked up.

yeah, Stevie always seems to record her demos with an entourage of friends around her and in the room, and then as soon as she writes/records something she has to share it and get feedback from them.

Lindsey seems to like writing and recording by himself mostly, he just goes by his own feedback and I don't know if he shares any of his demos ever...:shrug:

There was an entire leaked Lindsey album.

Michele

Christine and Lindsey seem like private people to me. I think many of their demos were done behind closed doors with only a few people in attendance.

A few of the leaked Stevie Nicks demos that I've listened to sound more like after hours drug and booze parties with a bunch of musicians and hangers on partying in the studio. Stevie also liked to be the center of attention. Back in the day, she was surrounded by a bunch of "yes people" and hangers on who continually reminded her how amazing and phenomenal she was. I love Stevie Nicks, she is my rock and roll goddess. But, she was a mess and those "demos" just found homes in many people's purses.

Gift of Screws? Might that have not been so accidental?? :eek:

But again, those were finished versions of songs. Lindsey has never seemed comfortable with anything but polished, finished versions of his songs being heard.

What about the "living room" version of To Try For The Sun?

Sorry, I forgot about Gift of Screws 1. Who leaked it? Do you know? Obviously most of those songs ended up on Say You Will. I have never heard the bootleg Gift of Screws. I'm guessing the songs sound the same as they do on Say You Will apart from a lack of Stevie vocals?

:thumbsup: LOVE!

you are missing out. way more songs than what ended up on SYW, and songs fit so much better together. would have been epic album if it ever came out that way.

other than GOS1 which was more-less done songs that were presented to the record company (so anybody could have probably leaked it at that point), there are a number of leaked real demos - several different Deep Dense demos, Given Thing, Steve's Riff, Blue Turns to Grey, all in different stages of being unfinished.

and whoever said that LB never allows demo versions of his songs to be heard, guess they didn't hear officially released Rumours or Tusk song demos from few years ago. :shrug: he may have cared much more in the past about non-finished versions being released than these days.

of course, other than his 3 songs released on the EP, we haven't heard any of his or Christine's new FM music recorded in 2012 and 2014, either leaked or officially released. he's been almost as prolific and productive in the last 2 years as in the previous 5, yet unlike when he was solo or collaborating with other artists which was all released in short order, we've heard none of his most recent music. :distress: and people are wondering why we are upset over no new album and say to just wait and be happy?? :rolleyes:

Michele is correct. Add to that, Lindsey's cover of Big Yellow Taxi.

We have unfinished songs as well. Given Thing, Steve's Riff, Deep Dense ... yes, Elle, Deep Dense is very unfinished.

We have versions where Lindsey is just running through, playing with chords, with no lyrics making up stuff.

Michele

Right, it's already been more than a year. Why would I sit here and not complain for a year?

Everything will work itself out in time .... just put the new album in my coffin. Tuck it in there, with some earbuds. Thanks.

Michele

Basically yes, they sound exactly the same just without Stevie. I remember being a little disappointed when SYW came out that a good chunk of the album was already familiar. About half the songs ended up on SYW and the other half ended up on his subsequent solo albums. Maybe even a couple yet unreleased? Off the top of my head I can't think of them all.

GOS1 Bootleg Track Listing:

"Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind" (released on Under the Skin)
"Miranda" (released on Fleetwood Mac's Say You Will)
"Steal Your Heart Away" (released on Say You Will)
"Red Rover" (released on Say You Will)
"She Smiled Sweetly" (Rolling Stones cover) (released on Seeds We Sow)
"Come" (released on Say You Will)
"Down on Rodeo" (released on Under the Skin)
"Gotta Get Away" (Rolling Stones cover) - unreleased
"Try for the Sun" (released on Under the Skin as "To Try for the Sun")
"Shuffle Riff" (aka Wait for You - released on Gift of Screws)
"Murrow" (released on Say You Will as "Murrow Turning Over in His Grave")
"Gift of Screws" (released on Gift of Screws)
"Bleed to Love Her" (live version released on The Dance, studio version released on Say You Will)
"Twist of Fate" (aka "The Right Place to Fade" released on Gift of Screws)
"Go Insane" (live)
"Say Goodbye" (released on Say You Will)
"The Singer Not the Song" (Rolling Stones Cover) - unreleased

Christine works quite differently than Stevie. She has commented about how she generally only writes songs when she knows there is going to be an album. She takes a very workman like approach to her craft: she writes songs for the project at hand.

Stevie (and Lindsey to a lesser extent) just writes, produces,and gathers a variety of demos/songs in a nebulous manner; the possibility being that they might be offered to other artists, her solo albums, soundtracks, or to Fleetwood Mac.

"Blue Turns to Grey," "Gotta Get Away," "Deep Dense," "Given Thing" and "The Singer Not the Song," are the only tracks left that have not made it onto an official studio album. "My Little Demon" in a way did since it was on The Dance, although that's a live version of the song. I honestly believe that "Steve's Riff (Wear You Down)" was made into what we know now as "Sleeping Around the Corner." The beat sounds very similar even though the chorus is completely different. And who knows, there are probably other tracks from that era that are still lying around that we haven't even heard.

yeah it's a very different song. Steve's Riff is still out there.

Gotta Get Away and The Singer Not the song are finished and mixed, just not mastered.... the other songs you list are really demos.

also, people from LB's "guitar army" band in early 90s have posted pics of all of them in HI (or somewhere like that?) and said Lindsey took that whole band there for a period of time and they recorded bunch of tracks which were supposed to be his next solo album. and that none of these tracks ever showed up anywhere.

Do you know if Lindsey's ever commented on these HI songs in a Q & A?

Michele

i don't. you mean at m&gs or is there some q&a here or some other place on the internet you can link me to?

the only time i heard of these songs was from his guitar army band members on fb... i think maybe 2 or 3 of them commented on it, there were some pics of all of them on the beach, snorkeling, etc.

Yes, I was thinking about those meet and greets and wondered if the subject came up.

There's lots of unheard music out there. Michele

But at the time of the Dance, on the Best Buy CD, Christine said that she had lots of songs piled up, so once her life stopped being so busy, she apparently started to write songs without an album project or other goal in sight as well.

Michele

That's exactly why no new album is driving me crazy! I must admit I am more excited to hear Christine's new songs than Lindsey's new songs. But still, it is just wrong that 5 of the 8 new songs Lindsey, Mick and John recorded and finished in 2012 still have not been released to the public two years later.

And the only reason why those new songs have not been released? Because until Stevie adds her backing vocals to them, the band considers those 5 songs "unfinished". :mad:

They should just call Susanna Hoffs.

You're funny! Susanna Hoffs is a great singer! But I think most people can tell the difference between Stevie and Susanna. :p

That's the band's conundrum. Hypothetically:

If Christine, Lindsey, Mick and John release an album that doesn't feature Stevie at all, who's going to answer the awkward questions from the media? The inevitable question would be: Why is Ms Nicks touring with you when she's not on this record? It would be very embarrassing and damaging to the band's reputation.

Just as if Christine had contributed to Say You Will album but not toured, inevitably the media would have asked, "What's going on?"

The band doesn't have any good answers to these questions it would seem. Other than the tired old line of, "We don't really get along", which if you are professionals (and they are) is a poor excuse.

I wish that Lindsey would release the songs that he, Mick and John recorded in 2012 as a solo EP or solo album. Especially when the titles of those songs are as tantalising as "Lay Down for Free"", "Hunger" and "Is it Right".

Remember that article from early 2014 about Christine's studio sessions with Lindsey, Mick and John? The journalist described Christine's song (she wrote the lyrics over Lindsey's music and presumably sings lead vocal on it) "Too Far Gone" as a danceable new Fleetwood Mac song. I want to dance to Fleetwood Mac's Too Far Gone before I die! :lol:

Difference, yep. Better, nope.

the garden?:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

i love Gift of Screws 1.0
but i love the polished version too :nod:

Perhaps this disciplined approach was instilled in her as a result of her childhood piano lessons!

I bought myself a piano lesson once (at age 20) and absolutely hated it. I already know how to read music: I learnt that in high school during two years compulsory music education.

So the teacher just had me practise playing old children's music over and over. Easy and boring! (I thought that he might be able to teach me how to go about composing piano music to go with the song lyrics I wrote.)

I don't know where to start and it's difficult because I'm working backwards: I have my lyrics written first and am yet to write any music to go with them. The piano teacher couldn't offer me any suggestions or advice at all.

"The Singer Not the Song", "Blue Turns to Grey" and "Gotta Get Away" are all Rolling Stones covers, not original Buckingham compositions. I have watched a YouTube video of Lindsey performing "Deep Dense" live, which I think was taken from the same solo concert at which he performed "Steal Your Heart Away" live. The live SYHA took my breath away; I'm nonplussed as to why Lindsey would miss an opportunity to perform SYHA live with Christine back. Her vocals could be made more prominent in a live performance than they are on the Say You Will record and would sound great.

Deep Dense is quite good but not Lindsey's best work. I will search on YouTube for the other songs you've listed.

there's a video of Deep Dense live? never heard that he ever did that song live. maybe that's some other song from his Soundstage?

Oops I might have it confused with another song! Did he do Down on Rodeo live?

I did, back in 2001.

I think there's a lot less in-progress music from Lindsey in circulation because it lives on his computer. He doesn't go in to a recording studio with three dozen other musicians and engineers, the way Stevie does. He writes all his words, writes his music, records nearly everything himself, engineers it, etc. And he doesn't have that effusively giving personality that Stevie has when it comes to passing his music around before it's released officially.

Did you really? :shocked:

Thank you for this explanation. I definitely understand now why there are very few leaks of unreleased Lindsey songs. He is smart enough to keep his demos away from people he can't trust to keep them private. Unlike Stevie.

This explains why there have not been any leaks of the new album material, even though most of Lindsey's share was recorded two and a half years ago with Mick and John.

Now for Christine. Does anyone know why there are a lack of leaks for her unreleased material?

I remember her publicly confessing that at the time of The Dance, she was absolutely prolific in her song writing. She mentioned in a 1997 band interview (which is on YouTube) that she had written about a dozen songs and would choose one new song for the concert. That turned out to be Temporary One.

Were the other eleven or so songs released as In The Meantime album? Or are they still in Christine's vault, so to speak?

And I adore those. They show his sketchy side, they are in depth examples of his 'canvas'- songwriting approach. Very beautiful, challenging and RAW.