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Wdm6789 10-14-2014 07:41 PM

If Tusk was only twelve songs...
 
I listened to the entire album today for the first time in a while. Every time I listen to it, I think they probably could have condensed it to eleven or twelve songs. If Tusk was a regular sized album with only twelve songs, I say twelve because Mirage had twelve.

Also, if you guys have done this before, I apologize.

I'm just going with four songs per writer, you guys pick which ever songs and organize your list however you want.

Lindsey:
Save Me a Place
That's All a For Everyone
Not That Funny
Walk A Thin Line

Christine:
Over & Over
Think About Me
Brown Eyes
Never Make Me Cry

Stevie:
Sara
Angel
Storms
Fireflies (if Fireflies doesn't count, then Sisters of The Moon.)

KenB 10-14-2014 07:49 PM

Over and Over
The Ledge
Think About Me
Storms
Angel
That's Enough for Me
Brown Eyes
Honey Hi
Beautiful Child
Walk a Thin Line
Tusk
Never Forget

bethelblues 10-14-2014 08:15 PM

What if the album had instead been called STORMS and looked like this? Do we have a more commercially accessible album, hypothetically? The title Storms seems more thematically unifying than Tusk, the storms of the three different artists, the storms of their relationships, changing it up post-Rumours, a tangible concept.

Side 1
What Makes You Think You're The One
Think About Me
Sara
The Ledge
Over & Over
Sisters of the Moon

Side 2
Tusk
Storms
Honey Hi
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Brown Eyes
Beautiful Child


Edit: I love the album Tusk. It's grown on me. I love how unique it is; it is like The Beatles white album. I do wish Lindsey incorporated more of the band and the other voices in his songs. Angel, for me, is a bit of a dud, the studio recording...if only the pace were quicker and more like the live version. I still feel at this point the band was repressing Stevie, whose work is superior...I understand how she probably thought it was unfair that Lindsey got so many songs and how that drove her to go solo. I'm obsessed with Honey Hi these days; the recording is just perfect. I kind of wanted Never Make Me Cry in here, but Honey Hi won out. Brown Eyes would be a good start to a side...maybe I should switch Brown Eyes with Tusk? I wanted Walk a Thin Line and I love how That's All for Everyone really reminds me of the end of The Beatles white album, but I love The Ledge and WMYTYTO too much. Save Me a Place also on the DL. I wish I liked some of his others, but Not that Funny doesn't do anything for me. Anyway, as interesting as this is, I think my sides are too long for vinyl!! LOL

SteveMacD 10-14-2014 08:59 PM

NO!

"Tusk" has to stay 20 songs! Anything less is, well, less!

Dreamz19 10-14-2014 11:50 PM

I love Tusk as is. However,

Stevie

Sara
SOTM
Storms
Angel

Christine

Over and Over
Brown Eyes
Honey Hi
Never Forget

Lindsey

Tusk
Walk a Thin Line
That's All For Everyone
I Know I'm Not Wrong

PenguinHead 10-15-2014 02:38 AM

1. Tusk
2. Over And Over
3. Sara
4. I Know I'm Not Wrong
5. Think About Me
6. Walk A Thin Line

7. Angel
8. Brown Eyes
9. Storms
10. That's All For Everyone
11. Sisters Of The Moon
12. Never Forget

Bonus Disc

1. Honey Hi
2. Not That Funny
3. Beautiful Child
4. What Makes You Think You're The One
5. The Ledge
6. Never Make Me Cry
7. Save Me A Place
8. That's Enough For Me

PenguinHead 10-15-2014 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1149504)
NO!

"Tusk" has to stay 20 songs! Anything less is, well, less!

I wouldn't worry too much. I don't think we Ledgies have that kind of super power to change history; at least not yet.

gssmith 10-15-2014 03:57 AM

This is so stupid! Everybody knows it was Stevie's songs that kept this album solid. But Lindsey knew that and capitalized on it.
Keep all of Stevie's ****, throw in a few from lindz and Christine McVie and boomb your done.

Wdm6789 10-15-2014 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gssmith (Post 1149562)
This is so stupid! Everybody knows it was Stevie's songs that kept this album solid. But Lindsey knew that and capitalized on it.
Keep all of Stevie's ****, throw in a few from lindz and Christine McVie and boomb your done.


I somewhat agree with you. It's mostly Lindsey's songs I would cut. His songs, except for the four I picked out, are not that great. I don't see why he thought they needed a double album when most of his songs were weird and some not even two minutes long.

FuzzyPlum 10-15-2014 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wdm6789 (Post 1149564)
I somewhat agree with you. It's mostly Lindsey's songs I would cut. His songs, except for the four I picked out, are not that great. I don't see why he thought they needed a double album when most of his songs were weird and some not even two minutes long.

Thats (re) opening a big can of worms.

I'd suggest;

Over & Over
Angel
Honey Hi
What Makes You Think You’re the One
Think About Me
Tusk

Sisters of the Moon
Brown Eyes
Sara
I Know I’m Not Wrong
Beautiful Child
Never Forget

SisterNightroad 10-15-2014 09:12 AM

My choice would be (NOT in this order):

1 Over & over
2 The Ledge
3 Think about me
4 Sara
5 Storms
6 Sisters of the moon
7 Angel
8 Brown eyes
9 Never make me cry
10 Honey hi
11 Beautiful child
12 Tusk

But then we would truly have a Rumours 2 and with very little Lindsey.

Wdm6789 10-15-2014 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1149565)
Thats (re) opening a big can of worms.

I'd suggest;

Over & Over
Angel
Honey Hi
What Makes You Think You’re the One
Think About Me
Tusk

Sisters of the Moon
Brown Eyes
Sara
I Know I’m Not Wrong
Beautiful Child
Never Forget


Lol I realize that, that's why I made this thread.

The Lindsey songs that are really just not good at all from Tusk, in my opinion, are:

What Makes You Think a You're the one- it's a very abrasive song, the vocal and instruments all sound way too random and just not good.

I Know I'm not Wrong, it sounds very similar to Not That Funny and I like the latter better.

Tusk is not that great either, and I'm not a fan if the marching band addition

That's Enough For Me isn't even two minutes long, waste of space.


The Ledge also sounds dumb and it's very short.

TheWILDheart 10-15-2014 10:04 AM

Ok, trying to cut this down to 12 songs, 4 per songwriter, is fairly easy for Stevie & Christine. I think their weaker tracks (not that they have weak tracks on "Tusk", just slightly weaker) are more obvious. It was Lindsey's tracks I had a hard time cutting down, surprisingly.

But I came up with this:

1. Over & Over
2. What Makes You Think You're The One?
3. Storms
4. Think About Me
5. Save Me A Place
6. Sisters of the Moon

7. Not That Funny*
8. Angel
9. Brown Eyes
10. Tusk
11. Sara
12. Never Forget

*this was difficult. I actually prefer "Walk A Thin Line" and "The Ledge" massively, but felt that, with just 12 tracks and at that stage in the album, Lindsey needed a more upbeat track, straight forward track. It was a VERY close call between "I Know I'm Not Wrong" and "Not That Funny". Again, personally, I prefer the former, but NTF seemed to fit better in that slot in this running order.

SpyNote 10-15-2014 11:11 AM

Side 1
  1. Tusk
  2. Think about Me
  3. Sara
  4. That's All for Everyone
  5. Over and Over
  6. Storms

Side 2
  1. The Ledge
  2. Angel
  3. I Know I'm Not Wrong
  4. Beautiful Child
  5. Brown Eyes
  6. Sisters of the Moon

ryan4136 10-15-2014 11:42 AM

it's against the law in 49 states (sorry tennesee) to alter Tusk.

SpyNote 10-15-2014 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryan4136 (Post 1149627)
it's against the law in 49 states (sorry tennesee) to alter Tusk.

I agree it's sacrilegious, but we're all sinners here. :laugh:

ViscountViktor 10-15-2014 12:49 PM

I love Stevie's songs on Tusk, so they're all in!:sorry:

1. Angel
2. Brown Eyes
3. Sara
4. Save Me A Place
5. Think About Me
6. Sisters of the Moon
7. I Know I’m Not Wrong
8. Storms
9. Tusk
10. Never Make Me Cry
11. Beautiful Child
12. Never Forget

FuzzyPlum 10-15-2014 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wdm6789 (Post 1149583)

I Know I'm not Wrong, it sounds very similar to Not That Funny and I like the latter better.

Tusk is not that great either, and I'm not a fan if the marching band addition

I can agree with you to an extent. I'd really like to know what his Tusk songs would sound like if they had been recorded conventionally. However, I can't agree that his songs 'just aren't good at all'- that's a bit harsh. I think they are all great songs waiting to get out. As a tune-smith I think he was on top form.

I'm not getting the 'I Know I'm Not Wrong' comparison with 'Not That Funny' at all. IKINW is incredibly melodic- especially the harmonica (or accordian???) part. NTF is almost anti-melody. Very little similarity at all in my opinion (apart from the fat, fuzzy bass sound).

'Tusk is not that great either'- Hmmmmm- each to their own

Wdm6789 10-15-2014 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1149655)
I can agree with you to an extent. I'd really like to know what his Tusk songs would sound like if they had been recorded conventionally. However, I can't agree that his songs 'just aren't good at all'- that's a bit harsh. I think they are all great songs waiting to get out. As a tune-smith I think he was on top form.

I'm not getting the 'I Know I'm Not Wrong' comparison with 'Not That Funny' at all. IKINW is incredibly melodic- especially the harmonica (or accordian???) part. NTF is almost anti-melody. Very little similarity at all in my opinion (apart from the fat, fuzzy bass sound).

'Tusk is not that great either'- Hmmmmm- each to their own


I think all of Lindsey's songs on Tusk would sound much better and the album would have been a bigger success if his songs were more in tune with what they did on Fleetwood Mac and Rumours

http://youtu.be/1Fi3NGwnE3c - this for example, if the album version of Not That Funny sounded more like this, it would have been much more appealing.

When I read Carol Ann Harris's book, it kind of pissed me off how big of a bitch Lindsey was about his Tusk songs, because I don't think his songs on that album are all that great. Even the good ones would sound much better if he crafted them better and less weird. And to say he wasn't going to accept any input from the rest of the band on his songs, but he can alter and give all the input he wants in their songs, that bugged me too. As I was reading this I kept hoping John would punch Lindsey in the studio at some point. I found it very satisfying when Christine slapped him and threw her champagne in his face.

ikelsey94 10-15-2014 03:57 PM

I've often thought about this, and I would like to see it as follows:

1. "What Makes You Think You're the One"
2. "Think About Me"
3. "Angel"
4. "Over & Over"
5. "Sara"
6. "Save Me a Place"

7. "Tusk"
8. "Sisters of the Moon"
9. "Honey Hi"
10. "Not That Funny"
11. "Storms"
12. "Never Forget"

secondhandchain 10-15-2014 10:57 PM

Over and Over
The Ledge
Think about Me
Sara
That's All For Everyone
Beautiful Child
Honey HI
Angel
Walk A Think LIne
Never Make Me Cry
Sisters Of The Moon
I Know I'm Not Wrong

Then I would release a follow up album 10 months later with the rest of the songs except That's Enough For Me. Unless Lindsey promised to remix it and take out the screams. :]

ryan4136 10-16-2014 11:21 AM

IKINW, and NTF are fruits of the same tree. Lindsey went two different directions with the same chord structure, and decided to keep/develop both songs. In essence they are non-identical twins.


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