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sorcerer999 07-25-2014 06:49 PM

24 KG Tracklist ~ what we know versus what we don't know.
 
I think it would be interesting to write down and discuss each track from now on up until we get a complete and official track listing. We can update the list of 16 tracks as we go. I'm going to exclude the two obviously fake track lists that were put up on her Wiki page last week and focus on A.) What we know to be true (through Dave's snippits, videos, what have you) which I will mark with an (*) ...and B.) What some media insiders have "confirmed" these past two days. Like I said, if something turns out to be false, we can go back and take it off the list. I'm also going to exclude our song speculations of Stevie's press release where she gives the years 1969, 1987, 1995 and 1996. Yes, 87 might be Joan Of Arc and 1995 might be Space Needle but let's just let those speculations be what they are. What do you guys think? Does this sound like a fun idea?

24 Karat Gold ~ Songs From The Vault

1. 24 Karat Gold (*)
2. Starshine (*)
3. The Dealer (confirmed by Miami Herald writer Howard Cohen and by Ledge member FM77.)
4. Watch Devil (also confirmed by Howard Cohen.)
5. I Don't Care (title not "official" just yet.)
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.

Am I missing anything? Like I said, we'll go back and add to the list or take some off if rumours and "confirmations" end up being false. I'm guessing that when we get snippits from Stevie's instagram at the beginning of next month, then that will really get the ball rolling. I wonder how many sneak peaks we'll get before the album is released.

BombaySapphire3 07-25-2014 07:44 PM

As you mentioned the 1994 and '95 songs are thought to be Space Needle and Have no Heart.I also really hope Moe Sizlack is a credible source.

Jondalar 07-25-2014 08:15 PM

The Dealer and Watch Devil are confirmed? Never heard that.

BombaySapphire3 07-25-2014 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1135335)
The Dealer and Watch Devil are confirmed? Never heard that.

Yeah ..FM77 also confirmed that The Dealer is probably the lead track on the album.

Jondalar 07-25-2014 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1135336)
Yeah ..FM77 also confirmed that The Dealer is probably the lead track on the album.

We'll Did FM like the songs? Wasn't FM throwing out hints for In Your Dreams?

BombaySapphire3 07-25-2014 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1135337)
We'll Did FM like the songs? Wasn't FM throwing out hints for In Your Dreams?

FM hasn't commented on the quality of the songs yet.Yeah FM did hear IYD months before it was released.

Jondalar 07-25-2014 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1135338)
FM hasn't commented on the quality of the songs yet.Yeah FM did hear IYD months before it was released.

I like the Dealer. It has a solid classic rock feel to it and it feels like a opening track.

Tarot 07-25-2014 09:17 PM

Forest of the black roses -should- be on this .. but :shrug:

Jondalar 07-25-2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarot (Post 1135341)
Forest of the black roses -should- be on this .. but :shrug:

The Rhiannon songs is really what I'm waiting for and I have waited a very long time.

StevieNicksfann 07-25-2014 09:29 PM

Well my most absolute favorite demo was the Bella Donna version of The Dealer so I am very happy to know it is on this album. I also liked the R&B mix to 24 Karat Gold but I doubt it'll be this arrangement on the album. I also like Julia so am also glad to see that on there.

BombaySapphire3 07-25-2014 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarot (Post 1135341)
Forest of the black roses -should- be on this .. but :shrug:

Yeah would be nice but I don't have a good feeling about any of the Rhiannon songs making the cut now as the track list starts to fill.I threw out the idea in another thread that it would be cool IMO if Stevie did one long 3 part song suite incorporating all 3 Rhiannon songs but I really don't think that is her style.

BombaySapphire3 07-25-2014 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by StevieNicksfann (Post 1135344)
. I also like Julia so am also glad to see that on there.

Julia has not been completely verified by a totally credible source yet.I am praying that it is on there though,

Jondalar 07-25-2014 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1135345)
Yeah would be nice but I don't have a good feeling about any of the Rhiannon songs making the cut now as the track list starts to fill.I threw out the idea in another thread that it would be cool IMO if Stevie did one long 3 part song suite incorporating all 3 Rhiannon songs but I really don't think that is her style.

When Dave was making In Your Dreams I twittered him a bunch of times about Three Birds of Rhiannon. Hoping that he said something to Stevie.

BlueLight 07-25-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1135339)
I like the Dealer. It has a solid classic rock feel to it and it feels like a opening track.

It's a perfect opening track. Which makes me wish the album were called Mistress of My Fate.

sorcerer999 07-25-2014 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1135346)
Julia has not been completely verified by a totally credible source yet.I am praying that it is on there though,

Yeah. I'm praying that it's on there as well. The same guy also said "Blue Water" is on there as well and that's the one I'm REALLY praying for. Who knows? If his information is in fact TRUE, then we might get more Rhiannon songs, since the "Blue Water" demo was on the Rhiannon film score master reel.

Regardless, I'm just glad we'll be getting more info via her Instagram real soon. August 5th can't come quickly enough. :nod:

gssmith 07-26-2014 01:50 AM

I've been listing to the original demos on YouTube. Not too familiar with them. I bet that mystery snippet from last month is Baby Doll. Maybe those few lines that we heard were knew additions, but it fits the mood: angry, very angry. the song's subject matter too. It fits. What do y'all think?

PenguinHead 07-26-2014 05:41 AM

I just hope that when we finally know the track list, we will be grateful and happy for what we are getting, and not bitch too much about what we personally wanted, especially if we haven't heard the record yet. After all, it's Stevie's/Sophie's choice, not ours. It's amazing she is even doing this.

I reminds me of Paul McCartney's massive backlog of least 50 unreleased songs ( not demos, but complete studio recordings). Starting in the early 1980s he wanted to compile some of them for release as Cold Cuts. As the years went on he made several more attempts to launch the project, which was conceived in several configurations - a single album, a four CD set, a double album etc... He finally just gave up on it. And he was aware that most of the songs were already in circulation among fans.

BombaySapphire3 07-26-2014 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gssmith (Post 1135360)
I've been listing to the original demos on YouTube. Not too familiar with them. I bet that mystery snippet from last month is Baby Doll. Maybe those few lines that we heard were knew additions, but it fits the mood: angry, very angry. the song's subject matter too. It fits. What do y'all think?

I posted awhile back that I thought Baby Doll might make the cut..could be another verse that was omitted from the demo.:shrug:

Danigirl 07-26-2014 11:20 AM

Watch Devil and The Dealer were the two I was most wishing for, this is such good news. Thank you for this post, it only intensified the suspense surrounding this album.

I hope, hope, hope Watch Devil has that funky cool sound the demo has.

Artemis 07-26-2014 11:26 AM

Yay for The Dealer! Just need Joan of Arc and All The Beautiful Worlds confirmed now and I'm very very happy. Ditto Julia.

WatchChain 07-26-2014 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 1135370)
I just hope that when we finally know the track list, we will be grateful and happy for what we are getting, and not bitch too much about what we personally wanted, especially if we haven't heard the record yet. After all, it's Stevie's/Sophie's choice, not ours. It's amazing she is even doing this.

I will be happy with any track list that happens to be presented for "24 Karat Gold". There are dozens of demos out there that I have always hoped would get studio recordings. My personal hopes for the track list are "Julia", "Watch Devil", "Blue Water" and "Space Needle". But, I have taken the last few weeks to reacquaint myself with some of the demos that I've not listened to. I've particularly fallen in love with "My Sanctuary, My Stronghold", which, for some reason, I had never paid much attention to. It's a beautiful song.

BombaySapphire3 07-26-2014 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sorcerer999 (Post 1135354)
Yeah. I'm praying that it's on there as well. The same guy also said "Blue Water" is on there as well and that's the one I'm REALLY praying for. Who knows? If his information is in fact TRUE, then we might get more Rhiannon songs, since the "Blue Water" demo was on the Rhiannon film score master reel.

Regardless, I'm just glad we'll be getting more info via her Instagram real soon. August 5th can't come quickly enough. :nod:

Actually you should probably remove Julia and Blue Water from the tentative list since Moe has recently shown himself up for the latest in a growing series of track list fakes.:laugh:

sorcerer999 07-27-2014 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1135468)
Actually you should probably remove Julia and Blue Water from the tentative list since Moe has recently shown himself up for the latest in a growing series of track list fakes.:laugh:

Agreed. Removing them now...with a tear in my eye. :(

I also removed Gypsy Beggars, just because it's still just "spec" at this point.

HoursAndHours 07-27-2014 01:20 AM

Hi all. While waiting for my account to be approved, I put together my wishlist, because I want to play too, lol.
1. The Dealer
2. Belle Fleur (am I the only one who wants this?)
3. Love And War/Mixdown
4. Watch Devil
5. Forest Of The Black Roses
6. Maker Of Birds
7. Cecilia
8. Love You Enough
9. If You Were My Love
10. City Of Hope
11. All The Beautiful Worlds
12. Space Needle
13. Have No Heart

I'm happy because Starshine and 24 Karat Gold would have been on the list anyway.

Also, as an aside, I successfully Shazamed the 15 second clip of 24KG from Dave Stewarts fb page. It's possible the tracklist is tucked away in Grace note if anybody is better at searching non-searchable databases than me.

Finally, howdy. I'm a geology grad student in the Midwest. I've been listening to Stevie and Fleetwood Mac since Behind the Mask and Timespace. I still wish they'd do Save Me on tour, since that's the song (along with Sometimes It's A Bitch) that got my attention to begin with.

vivfox 07-27-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HoursAndHours (Post 1135474)
Hi all. While waiting for my account to be approved, I put together my wishlist, because I want to play too, lol.
Belle Fleur (am I the only one who wants this?)

Belle Fleur 0r Flower as I like to write, is on my wish list also. LOVE this song.

vivfox 07-27-2014 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HoursAndHours (Post 1135474)
I've been listening to Stevie and Fleetwood Mac since Behind the Mask and Timespace. I still wish they'd do Save Me on tour, since that's the song got my attention to begin with.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.:laugh:

HoursAndHours 07-27-2014 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1135530)
I just threw up in my mouth a little.:laugh:

Glad to be of service. :D

I know - I grew up in a small town in the late 80's/early 90's, though. My options were limited. In retrospect, there's a lingering sense of mouthpuke about my entire adolescence.

michelej1 07-27-2014 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1135530)
I just threw up in my mouth a little.:laugh:

I think Save Me is a great song. I don't want them to do it on tour, but I wish it had gotten more attention.

Michele

AnthonyMI 07-27-2014 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HoursAndHours (Post 1135534)
Glad to be of service. :D

I know - I grew up in a small town in the late 80's/early 90's, though. My options were limited. In retrospect, there's a lingering sense of mouthpuke about my entire adolescence.

Poufed bangs, hair gel, sheer mid-rift blouses, shoulder pads, slap bracelets, stirrup leggings, what's not to love?

HoursAndHours 07-27-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyMI (Post 1135536)
Poufed bangs, hair gel, sheer mid-rift blouses, shoulder pads, slap bracelets, stirrup leggings, what's not to love?

I know, right? And that was just the guys. :p

Richard B 07-27-2014 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HoursAndHours (Post 1135534)
In retrospect, there's a lingering sense of mouthpuke about my entire adolescence.

Too funny. Actually lol and almost rofl.
:D

HoursAndHours 07-28-2014 08:43 PM

I have successfully tagged all three clips that Dave Stewart posted with an android app. What I've gathered from the results is that:

1. It doesn't seem confuse demos with the clips. That is, it doesn't match the master reel version of 24 Karat Gold with the version from the clips.

2. Each song appears to be catalogued individually (there's no "album" entered for them yet. This may be done to protect the tracklisting.

3. The three tracks, presuming they were uploaded to the database by industry people, are titled "24 Karat Gold," "Starshine," and "I Don't Care."

Nothing is certain until an official tracklist is released. But I'm willing to call bull$&!t on all of the tracklists being circulated currently. Now I'm going to try to do something more productive/healthy/sane than obsess over a tracklist. :D

BombaySapphire3 07-28-2014 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HoursAndHours (Post 1135721)
I have successfully tagged all three clips that Dave Stewart posted with an android app. What I've gathered from the results is that:

1. It doesn't seem confuse demos with the clips. That is, it doesn't match the master reel version of 24 Karat Gold with the version from the clips.

2. Each song appears to be catalogued individually (there's no "album" entered for them yet. This may be done to protect the tracklisting.

3. The three tracks, presuming they were uploaded to the database by industry people, are titled "24 Karat Gold," "Starshine," and "I Don't Care."

Nothing is certain until an official tracklist is released. But I'm willing to call bull$&!t on all of the tracklists being circulated currently. Now I'm going to try to do something more productive/healthy/sane than obsess over a tracklist. :D

Thank you for your work and I concur completely regarding the phony track list and first single predictions floating around.

Phil 07-28-2014 09:09 PM

I sincerely hope I'm completely wrong about this, but I wonder if "Dial The Number" is or was a contender for the album? I seem to recall someone recently posting in one of the related threads that the copyright for this song was renewed within the last few months. Anyone else remember this?

sorcerer999 07-28-2014 10:02 PM

I went ahead and added "I Don't Care" to the list, even though the title isn't official and we're going by what SHAZAM picked up from the snippit. Other people from other sites have said this track was confirmed as "Amber". Who knows?

Frustration has really set in for me as of late, in regards to all these stupid tracklists, and what has been "confirmed" through un-cited sources versus what hasn't been confirmed.

I'm over it. I'm just gonna patiently wait as long as it takes for us to get something "official". Whether this new tracklist is legit, or whether it's not, I'll just be happy when we get Dave & Stevie's official announcement and her Instagram snippits.

We'll all be happy to see our favorites that have made the cut, and we'll all be disappointed when we learn that our other favorites didn't. It's just how it goes.

UndoingTheLaces 07-28-2014 10:02 PM

The thing about new recordings of beloved demos is that some people seem to want the original demos cleaned up and presented exactly as the demos they've listened to a million times. I take each new song as a brand new thing. People bitched to high hell about Without You, and it broke my heart. This is not two young kids in the middle of an era of hippie love playing a demo on an acoustic guitar. Here are two adults revisiting a song from their youth that they are very fond of. Their voices seasoned with age, using instrumentation that would give a bit of a modern flavor to their old song. Why didn't they stay truer to the original? Because everyone who already loves the song already has that version. They could have just taken the original and gave it to a producer to give it the remix treatment like they did with Landslide years ago. But they wanted to sing the song as they are now, and remember fondly the days when it was first written. So if Stevie does do Blue Water now, it won't be that young girl at a piano looking out over the ocean, dreaming. It will now be a strong, beautiful older woman, revisiting this beautiful old song and giving you her take on where it stands in her life today. With the voice she has today and the studio capabilities that she has today.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you want to make your wish lists and hope to hear your favorite songs on this album, that's great, but be ready to accept them as they are now. You have the originals. Nobody's going to make you hand them in to get the new album. Appreciate this new album for what it is. I, frankly, can't wait to hear it. And I know it's going to be wonderful because Stevie has obviously chosen songs that she wants to revisit. So how could that possibly be a bad thing?

sorcerer999 07-28-2014 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces (Post 1135732)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you want to make your wish lists and hope to hear your favorite songs on this album, that's great, but be ready to accept them as they are now. You have the originals. Nobody's going to make you hand them in to get the new album. Appreciate this new album for what it is. I, frankly, can't wait to hear it. And I know it's going to be wonderful because Stevie has obviously chosen songs that she wants to revisit. So how could that possibly be a bad thing?

AMEN! :xoxo:

BlueDenimLamp 07-28-2014 10:06 PM



Looks like info has been moved up to the 4th...

If everyone can be patient you will save yourself a lot of grief...

HoursAndHours 07-28-2014 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sorcerer999 (Post 1135731)
Frustration has really set in for me as of late

Yeah, I already feel like an overly obsessive freak now. I think my speculation is concluded.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp (Post 1135734)
If everyone can be patient you will save yourself a lot of grief...

Patience, which is clearly one of the more prominent virtues 'round here. :laugh:

editme2 07-28-2014 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces (Post 1135732)
The thing about new recordings of beloved demos is that some people seem to want the original demos cleaned up and presented exactly as the demos they've listened to a million times. I take each new song as a brand new thing. People bitched to high hell about Without You, and it broke my heart. This is not two young kids in the middle of an era of hippie love playing a demo on an acoustic guitar. Here are two adults revisiting a song from their youth that they are very fond of. Their voices seasoned with age, using instrumentation that would give a bit of a modern flavor to their old song. Why didn't they stay truer to the original? Because everyone who already loves the song already has that version. They could have just taken the original and gave it to a producer to give it the remix treatment like they did with Landslide years ago. But they wanted to sing the song as they are now, and remember fondly the days when it was first written. So if Stevie does do Blue Water now, it won't be that young girl at a piano looking out over the ocean, dreaming. It will now be a strong, beautiful older woman, revisiting this beautiful old song and giving you her take on where it stands in her life today. With the voice she has today and the studio capabilities that she has today.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you want to make your wish lists and hope to hear your favorite songs on this album, that's great, but be ready to accept them as they are now. You have the originals. Nobody's going to make you hand them in to get the new album. Appreciate this new album for what it is. I, frankly, can't wait to hear it. And I know it's going to be wonderful because Stevie has obviously chosen songs that she wants to revisit. So how could that possibly be a bad thing?

Wow! I love this post. Exquisitely said. Thank you so much!


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