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welcomechris 05-11-2014 03:32 PM

400+ Bootlegs Download Them Here
 
Bootlegs, Demos, Outtakes, You Name It!

PLEASE let me know when a link is invalid!

This Will Be Built Over The Next Couple Of Weeks!

welcomechris 05-11-2014 03:33 PM

Fm 1967-1974
 
National Jazz & Blues Festival (First Ever Gig) - August 13, 1967

Talk to Me Baby - I'm Goin' Home - I Need You - (Unknown) - Fine Little Mama - The World Keep on Turning - Shake Your Moneymaker

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Live in West Germany

Oh Well - Woman Of A Thousand Years - Trinity - Future Games - Child Of Mine

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Live in Waterbury, CT

Tell Me All The Things You Do

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welcomechris 05-11-2014 03:35 PM

Buckingham Nicks
 
Buckingham Nicks
Released: September 5, 1973

Crying In The Night - Stephanie - Without A Leg To Stand On - Crystal - Long Distance Winner - Don't Let Me Down Again - Djando - Races Are Run - Lola (My Love) - Frozen Love

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Coffee Plant Demos

Without You (Acoustic Guitar/Vocal) - Nomad (aka Candlebright; Acoustic Guitar/Vocal) - That's Alright (aka Designs of Love; Acoustic Guitar/Vocal) - Garbo (Acoustic Guitar/Vocal) - Sorcerer (aka Lady From the Mountain; Acoustic Guitar/Vocal/No Drum Machine) - Cathouse Blues (Acoustic Guitar/Vocal) - Goldfish And the Ladybug (Acoustic Guitar/Vocal) - Without You (Bass/Vocal) - Nomad (aka Candlebright; Alternate Acoustic Guitar/Vocal) - That's Alright (aka Designs of Love; Bass/Vocal) - Garbo (Bass/Vocal) - Lady From The Mountain (aka Sorcerer; Acoustic Guitar/Vocal/Drum Machine) - Cathouse Blues (Bass/Vocal) - Goldfish And The Ladybug (Vocal Only)

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Studio Rarities

After the Glitter Fades (Outtake) - Don't Let Me Down Again (Mono Single Edit) - Crying in the Night (Electric Guitar Single Mix) - Frozen Love (Full Radio Edit) - Crying in the Night (Looking Around Rare Edit)

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Live in Birmingham: January 28, 1975
Soundcheck Jam (Instrumental) - You Won't Forget Me - Farewell Failure - Djando/Lady From the Mountain [Sorcerer] - Blue Letter - Rhiannon - Races Are Run [Cuts in] - Monday Morning

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Live in Tuscaloosa: January 29, 1975 (Farewell Show)
Stage Talk/Soundcheck Jam #2 - Blue Letter - Lola (My Love) - Never Going Back Again (Instrumental) -
Monday Morning - Heartbreaker (Circles In Time) - I Don't Want to Know - You Won't Forget Me - Long Distance Winner - Rhiannon - Don't Let Me Down Again - Races Are Run - Crystal - Djando/Sorcerer - Frozen Love

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Other Live Tracks
Rhiannon (Live Birmingham 1974) - When Will We Love Again (Live 1972)

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welcomechris 05-11-2014 03:36 PM

Fm 1975
 
Trod Nossel Studios, Wallingford, CT; September 23, 1975
Intro - Station Man - Spare Me A Little - Rhiannon - Why - Landslide - Over My Head - I'm So Afraid - Oh Well - Green Manalishi - World Turning - Blue Letter - Hypnotized

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welcomechris 05-11-2014 03:37 PM

Fm 1976-1978
 
Live in Philadelphia, PA; March 21, 1977
Note: Lindsey's Seizure Did Not Happen The Morning Of This Show

Say You Love Me - Believe Me - Rhiannon - Why - The Chain - Dreams - Landslide - Over My Head - You Make Loving Fun - Go Your Own Way - Oh Daddy - World Turning - Blue Letter - Tell Me All The Things You Do

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Live on Long Island; March 24, 1977

Say You Love Me - Station Man - Believe Me - The Chain - Dreams - Rhiannon - Why - Never Going Back Again - Landslide - Oh Daddy - Gold Dust Woman - Over My Head - You Make Loving Fun - I'm So Afraid - Go Your Own Way - World Turning - Hypnotized

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Live at Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York; June 29, 1977

Intro - Say You Love Me - Monday Morning - Oh Well - Rhiannon - Oh Daddy - Never Going Back Again - Landslide - Over My Head - Gold Dust Woman - You Make Loving Fun - I'm So Afraid - Dreams - Go Your Own Way - World Turning - Blue Letter - The Chain - Second Hand News - Songbird

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welcomechris 05-11-2014 03:38 PM

Fm 1979-1980
 
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welcomechris 05-11-2014 03:45 PM

Rumours Outtakes
 
Disc 1

Don't Stop (No Vocals)
Dreams (Bass Only)
Dreams (Drums Only)
Dreams (Keyboards Only)
Dreams (Keyboards, Some Drums & Vocals)
Dreams (Vocals & Some Drums)
Go Your Own Way (Acapella)
Go Your Own Way (February 1976; Instrumental)
Go Your Own Way (Guitar Only)
Go Your Own Way (July 1976)
Go Your Own Way [Early Take]
Gold Dust Woman (8-Track Mix)
Gold Dust Woman (Acapella)
Gold Dust Woman (April 1976 #1)
Gold Dust Woman (April 1976 #2)
Gold Dust Woman (DVD MIx; Glass Breaking)
Gold Dust Woman (March 1976)
Gold Dust Woman (November 1976)
Gold Dust Woman (Take 2 No Backing Vocals)
Gold Dust Woman (Take 3 Rare Raw Outtake Version Enhanced)
I Don't Want To Know (Alternate Mix)
I Don't Want To Know (Instrumental 1)
I Don't Want To Know (Instrumental 2; Album Version)
Download Here Note: There is a Page 2 at the Bottom of the Page

Disc 2

Oh Daddy (April 1976)
Oh Daddy (February 16, 1976)
Oh Daddy (Instrumental)
Oh Daddy (March 1976)
Oh Daddy (July 1976)
Oh Daddy (November 1976)
Planets of the Universe (Piano Demo Edit)
Second Hand News (April 1976)
Second Hand News (March 1976 #1)
Second Hand News (November 1976)
Silver Springs (April 1976 Mix 2)
Silver Springs (April 1976)
Silver Springs (February 1976)
Silver Springs (July 1976)
Silver Springs (March 1976 Mix 2)
Silver Springs (March 1976)
Silver Springs (November 1976)
Silver Springs (Piano Demo)
Silver Springs [Instrumental]
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Disc 3

Planets of the Universe (Piano Demo #2)
Second Hand News (April 1976)
Second Hand News (March 1976 #2)
Second Hand News (November 1976)
Silver Springs (Early Take)
Songbird (Instrumental)
The Chain (November 1976)
The Chain (Piece 1)
The Chain (Piece 2)
The Chain (Piece 3)
The Chain (Piece 4)
The Chain (Piece 5)
The Chain (Writing Session 1976)
The Chain [Acoustic Guitar/Vocal Early Demo]
Think About It (March 1976; Instrumental)
You Make Loving Fun (April 1976)
You Make Loving Fun (Early Take, Instrumental)
You Make Loving Fun (March 1976; Disco Version)
You Make Loving Fun (November 1976)
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Disc 4: DON'T STOP MULTITRACK

1. Bass
2. Cymbals
3. Guitar
4. Kick Drum
5. Piano & Synthesiser & Tambourine
6. Snare
7. Vocals

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Disc 5: DREAMS MULTITRACK

1. Bass
2. FX
3. Keyboard
4. Kick Drum
5. Percussion
6. Vocals
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Disc 6: GO YOUR OWN WAY MULTITRACK

1. Bass Drum & Snare
2. Toms & Snare
3. Toms & Symbols
4. Acoustic Guitar & Electric Rhythm Guitar
5. Bass
6. Lindsey Vocals & Electric Guitar & Acoustic Guitar & Percussion)

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welcomechris 05-12-2014 07:23 PM

Tusk Demos/Outtakes
 
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welcomechris 05-16-2014 01:59 PM

Mirage Outtakes/Demos
 
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welcomechris 05-16-2014 02:00 PM

Fm 1982
 
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welcomechris 05-16-2014 02:01 PM

Tango In The Night Outtakes And Demos
 
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welcomechris 05-16-2014 02:06 PM

Fm 1987-1988
 
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welcomechris 05-16-2014 02:16 PM

Behind the Mask Demos/Outtakes
 
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welcomechris 05-16-2014 02:17 PM

Fm 1994-1995 AND Time Outtakes/Demos
 
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welcomechris 05-16-2014 02:18 PM

Fm 1997-1998
 
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welcomechris 05-16-2014 02:20 PM

Say You Will Demos/Mixes
 
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welcomechris 05-16-2014 02:21 PM

Fm 2003-2004
 
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welcomechris 05-16-2014 02:22 PM

Fm 2009 (Unleashed)
 
Live in Pittsburgh, PA; March 1, 2009 (Soundboard)

Monday Morning - The Chain - Dreams - I Know I'm Not Wrong - Gypsy - Go Insane - Rhiannon - Second Hand News - Tusk - Sara - Big Love - Landslide - Never Going Back Again - Storms - Say You Love Me - Gold Dust Woman - Oh Well - I'm So Afraid - Stand Back - Go Your Own Way - World Turning - Band Intros - Don't Stop - Silver Springs

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Live in Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY - March 13, 2009

Monday Morning - The Chain - Gypsy - Rhiannon - Big Love - Landslide - Storms - Say You Love Me - Stand Back - Go Your Own Way

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welcomechris 05-16-2014 02:23 PM

Fm 2013
 
Live in Toronto, Canada; April 16, 2013

Second Hand News - The Chain - Dreams - Sad Angel - Rhiannon - Not That Funny - Tusk - Big Love - Landslide - Never Going Back Again - Without You - Gypsy - Gold Dust Woman - I'm So Afraid - Stand Back - Go Your Own Way - World Turning - Don't Stop - Silver Springs - Say Goodbye

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Boston Strong, Live in Boston, April 18, 2013

Second Hand News - The Chain - Rhiannon - Sisters of the Moon - Sara - Big Love - Landslide - Gold Dust Woman - Go Your Own Way - Don't Stop

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Live in St. Paul, MN; April 28, 2013 (Soundboard)

Intro - Second Hand News - The Chain - Dreams - Sad Angel - Rhiannon - Not That Funny - Tusk - Sisters Of The Moon - Sara - Big Love - Landslide - Never Going Back Again - Without You - Gypsy - Eyes of the World - Gold Dust Woman - I'm So Afraid - Stand Back - Go Your Own Way - World Turning - Don't Stop - Silver Springs - Say Goodbye

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Live in Las Vegas; December 30, 2013

Second Hand News - The Chain - Dreams - Sad Angel - Rhiannon - Not That Funny - Tusk - Sisters Of The Moon - Sara - Big Love - Landslide - Never Going Back Again - Without You - Gypsy - Eyes of the World - Gold Dust Woman - I'm So Afraid - Stand Back - Go Your Own Way - World Turning - Don't Stop - Silver Springs - Say Goodbye - Closing Remarks

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Live in Las Vegas; January 8, 2014
Private Show (Monster CES Awards)

The Chain - Dreams - I'm So Afraid (Guitar Solo) - Stand Back - Go Your Own Way - Don't Stop - Award Speech

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Dreamz19 05-16-2014 09:39 PM

Thank you for taking the time to do this.

Lilguy0726 05-23-2014 11:44 AM

The soundboard ones don't seem to be working anymore. =(

secret love 05-23-2014 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by welcomechris (Post 1129567)
Bootlegs, Demos, Outtakes, You Name It!

PLEASE let me know when a link is invalid!

This Will Be Built Over The Next Couple Of Weeks!

Where do you get these things?
You know that this is music piracy and it is illegal, right?

Oh I know everyone does it, but:

Unless you are a band member, or acting on the advice of a band member, you are not permitted to distribute free copies of their work. It breaches copyright and intellectual property laws as all 5 band players/singers are still alive.
Stop what you are doing please, Dave Mason. It is selfish. Your band Traffic Jam is great, mate. Give Fleetwood Mac a chance. Just because you missed out with them in the 1990s, you don't have to do this. Stop releasing all these damaging bootleg leaks and stealing the excitement away from fans for the new album. Come on, mate. Dave, geezus.

welcomechris 05-24-2014 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1130966)
Where do you get these things?
You know that this is music piracy and it is illegal, right?

Oh I know everyone does it, but:

Unless you are a band member, or acting on the advice of a band member, you are not permitted to distribute free copies of their work. It breaches copyright and intellectual property laws as all 5 band players/singers are still alive.
Stop what you are doing please, Dave Mason. It is selfish. Your band Traffic Jam is great, mate. Give Fleetwood Mac a chance. Just because you missed out with them in the 1990s, you don't have to do this. Stop releasing all these damaging bootleg leaks and stealing the excitement away from fans for the new album. Come on, mate. Dave, geezus.

Why do you think i'm Dave Mason? This music I hold no copyright or credit for, and I'm am not selling it. All recordings are used for personal use or trading not for selling.


I did not release these! 50% of these came from Mike Bise and the other 50% came from The Ledge. I am not Dave Mason, If I was, Why would my username be about the rejoining of Christine McVie?

KenshiMaster16 06-02-2014 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1130966)
Where do you get these things?
You know that this is music piracy and it is illegal, right?

Oh I know everyone does it, but:

Unless you are a band member, or acting on the advice of a band member, you are not permitted to distribute free copies of their work. It breaches copyright and intellectual property laws as all 5 band players/singers are still alive.
Stop what you are doing please, Dave Mason. It is selfish. Your band Traffic Jam is great, mate. Give Fleetwood Mac a chance. Just because you missed out with them in the 1990s, you don't have to do this. Stop releasing all these damaging bootleg leaks and stealing the excitement away from fans for the new album. Come on, mate. Dave, geezus.

Is this even serious? C'mon now, like the Mac are ever gonna make money off of all these bootlegs. Maybe if they made more live albums but fat chance of that ever happening.

Macfanforever 06-02-2014 07:33 PM

What the main problem is these idiots that download these audio and video files and photos from here and other forums and fan sites and turn around and sell them for a big sum on eBay.Craig's List,Amazon .Used CD shops and fleamarkets.

I cant blame the artists and writers getting pissed off on that topic.

KenshiMaster16 06-02-2014 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfanforever (Post 1131692)
What the main problem is these idiots that download these audio and video files and photos from here and other forums and fan sites and turn around and sell them for a big sum on eBay.Craig's List,Amazon .Used CD shops and fleamarkets.

I cant blame the artists and writers getting pissed off on that topic.

THAT is lame. However from just a collector's point of view, and someone with slight OCD, I gotta have all I can get my mits on. lol

Macfanforever 06-02-2014 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KenshiMaster16 (Post 1131699)
THAT is lame. However from just a collector's point of view, and someone with slight OCD, I gotta have all I can get my mits on. lol

Yes I know.

UndoingTheLaces 06-03-2014 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1130966)
Where do you get these things?
You know that this is music piracy and it is illegal, right?

Oh I know everyone does it, but:

Unless you are a band member, or acting on the advice of a band member, you are not permitted to distribute free copies of their work. It breaches copyright and intellectual property laws as all 5 band players/singers are still alive.
Stop what you are doing please, Dave Mason. It is selfish. Your band Traffic Jam is great, mate. Give Fleetwood Mac a chance. Just because you missed out with them in the 1990s, you don't have to do this. Stop releasing all these damaging bootleg leaks and stealing the excitement away from fans for the new album. Come on, mate. Dave, geezus.

Nobody who is a casual fan of the Mac is going to give a rat's ass about anything that isn't an official release. The people you should really be pissed at are the people who buy the band's new CDs the day they come out and then upload them to YouTube and every other file sharing site out there. Those are the people who hurt the band revenue. Bootleggers actually give a band a longer shelf life because they keep die hard fans around during periods when a band isn't producing new material. It's hard enough for a band to regain momentum from a public that needs to be reacquainted with their material after a long break. Having an active fan base that thrives on sharing rare material is a huge boost to record sales because you know we're all going to go out and buy a new release the second it hits the shelves.

gldstwmn 06-03-2014 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by welcomechris (Post 1131064)
I did not release these! 50% of these came from Mike Bise and the other 50% came from The Ledge.

Dude, don't point fingers and call people out. Where the boots came from are just from somewhere. No one really knows for sure. But this is the kind of thing that prevents them from showing up anymore.

KenshiMaster16 06-03-2014 02:22 PM

You should just keep posting welcomechris, your time uploading is very much appreciated. Don't worry about the haters, people have been uploading boots and demos here for years.

saintbernard 06-03-2014 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1130966)
Where do you get these things?
You know that this is music piracy and it is illegal, right?

Oh I know everyone does it, but:

Unless you are a band member, or acting on the advice of a band member, you are not permitted to distribute free copies of their work. It breaches copyright and intellectual property laws as all 5 band players/singers are still alive.
Stop what you are doing please, Dave Mason. It is selfish. Your band Traffic Jam is great, mate. Give Fleetwood Mac a chance. Just because you missed out with them in the 1990s, you don't have to do this. Stop releasing all these damaging bootleg leaks and stealing the excitement away from fans for the new album. Come on, mate. Dave, geezus.

Let me apologize beforehand for being long-winded here, but...

Back in the day when I was very active in trading and in working on my web site I used to keep what I called my "Bootleg FAQ". I kept this on my trade page and several versions of it can still be found on the Internet Archive of the few pages of my trade page that site catalogs. It started because I, and a lot of other traders were often asked the same questions by new traders and some of the same questions kept popping up on online fan forums. Being someone who loves making lists, I took these questions that were frequently asked and turned them into an online resource to help new traders. In later updates of the FAQ, this was one of the very issues I addressed. Whether trading and having bootlegs is ethical and should be done has been a topic of debate amongst fans for a very long time now and I doubt it will never be a non-issue.

One thing I can guarantee you is that none of the band members want their officially released music being traded or downloaded off the internet. That is their work and intellectual property and it should be respected and supported. There's a very good reason why forums like this one have a strict "no released material" policy. Not only legal reasons but for the respect of the artists.

There are very few "on the record" statements by band members regarding bootlegs and the sharing of them. Reading a statement somewhere from someone who talked to someone, who talked to someone, who talked to someone who talked to one of the band members about bootlegs isn't what I consider to be a concrete source of information. There are a lot of people who would like to think they are "insiders" and know exactly how the band members feel or think about something and feel they can, and should, speak for them. Until you hear it from the horses mouth, it is not definitive.

Mick and Stevie are really the only two that have said more than a few passing words on this issue.

In a March 2001 chat with the Online Sun Mick Fleetwood was asked by a fan if any of the rare demos and outtakes and performances would be released officially. The fan even mentioned a few titles in his question. Mick replied: "It's great to hear that you enjoy all these hard-to-find songs. The reality is that these are all usually recorded by people we've never met. So we don't have the masters. Maybe one day I'll have to put out adverts on the Internet to find them all." My experience is that I have never heard Mick Fleetwood speak hatefully about traders and tapers. Never.

When filming her 1998 VH1 Storytellers appearance Stevie was asked by a member of the audience about some of her well-circulated demos and outtakes. Again, the fan even mentioned some songs by name. Stevie replied: "...Those songs that you are talking about, Forest of the Black Roses, those songs, um, interesting story. All those songs are bootlegged. I've never recorded any of those songs. And I have them on cassettes in my house. Somehow, somebody came in, took the cassettes that all of those songs were on, and copied them, then brought 'em back and put 'em back so I never knew they were gone. So, I knew that you would do that. So, I'm just saying that those songs were, I didn't do it. Um, those songs were like, you know, are, were, those songs were songs that I would still record even though they were, even though they were on those records and...How wild is that? I never recorded them and everybody knows enough about them to actually ask me about them by title." I know all that sounds like a lot of gibberish (that's just the way our Stevie talks) but if you read it carefully, there is a definitive message in there. Even back then she said she would still record those songs and guess what? She has done that very thing. Just because these songs are out there doesn't mean they are dead in the water.

I remember reading comments regarding the master reels that are in circulation and fast became the favorites of collectors. The master reels were originally housed in a storage facility by Modern Records. When Modern Records went out of business the fees were not paid on the storage unit so the contents of it were sold to regain the lost fees. It has been said many times in many places that the reels were offered to Stevie Nicks and her management but they declined them stating they had their own copies and didn't need those reels. If Stevie was so adamant about keeping this music out of the hands of fans, she would have kept up with her reels much more closely. The fees on the storage unit would never have gone unpaid or those reels would have gone directly from that storage unit to some other secret location where she could have kept them safe. If this old story is true, she and her camp let them out by not keeping up with them and then refusing to take action on them when made aware of them.

A long time ago several eBay auctions for Lindsey Buckingham demos and outtakes from his then-unreleased Gift of Screws album popped up. Fans, some on this very board, stated they contacted his management about those auctions and contacted eBay regarding them. The auctions were allowed to continue with no apparent action taken by East End Management or Lindsey Buckingham.

Regardless of what the band members have or haven't said, I think it is crystal clear there isn't a single member of Fleetwood Mac--past or present--that does not know anything about the existence of bootlegs and traders. All band members know that shows, demos and outtakes are circulating amongst fans. Some fans feel their lack of action when notified about their sales or distribution speaks volumes. To me, the very fact that Stevie "All these old songs were stolen from me" Nicks has gone to YouTube for not one but two records for songs says quite a bit to me. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if more songs from the "YouTube Vault" aren't released in the future.

There is a huge difference in being a trader and a bootlegger. Traders are people who gain nothing from circulating these recordings other than the satisfaction of watching their personal collection grow, enjoying the songs and being able to share them and enjoy them with other fans. Bootleggers are a very different animal. They DO profit financially and rarely get enjoyment and satisfaction from having a large number of titles in their collection. Bootleggers are in it for the money and nothing else. They are businessmen and women, plain and simple. That is why it is not uncommon to see genuine fans and traders sharing what is called a "liberated bootleg". This means they are basically trying to take the legs out from under a bootlegger by freely sharing something they sell to diminish their profits. To me, anyone who profits is a bootlegger. Anyone who enjoys, savors and cherishes, is first a fan and secondly a trader. Sets and shows are commonly referred to as "boots" because that is what they are: they are bootlegs. A bootleg is anything that was not commercially released by a band or artist that is circulating amongst fans.

If Fleetwood Mac and its members wanted, they could deal with traders the same way Prince has. They could actually sue fans for sharing shows and unreleased songs and starting fan sites. They could do the way the estate of Frank Sinatra has. They could have their lawyers sent cease and desist letters to sites like dimeadozen and The Trader's Den ordering them to remove all of their material from the web site and never allow it on again or risk legal action. The members of Fleetwood Mac do not need anyone on the outside to defend them. That's what they have lawyers, labels and management companies for. Whether they use those resources or not, that's up to them and I'm sure they have their reasons as to why or why not.

This is just my personal opinion, but I think Fleetwood Mac and it's members (yes, even Stevie) like it. They like that these bootlegs keep them alive to the fans during long periods when nothing new is released and there are no tours scheduled. I think it makes them feel good to know that the fans will take the time to actually hunt these things down, download or trade for them and love them so much they will ask them about them in person. Not only is that a boost to the ego but that lets them know just how much their fans appreciate their work and how much this unreleased material matters to their fans. They understand how this unreleased material has brought them new fans and helped bring back old fans that have drifted on to other things back into the fold (I can speak to that personally). I will continue to believe that until every single member of that band sits down with an interviewer and says point blank "this behavior makes me mad and the fans need to stop it because this is MY work and you shouldn't have it". I really can't see that happening any time soon, though.

estranged4life 06-04-2014 04:40 PM

Amen...
 
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Originally Posted by saintbernard (Post 1131733)
There is a huge difference in being a trader and a bootlegger. Traders are people who gain nothing from circulating these recordings other than the satisfaction of watching their personal collection grow, enjoying the songs and being able to share them and enjoy them with other fans. Bootleggers are a very different animal. They DO profit financially and rarely get enjoyment and satisfaction from having a large number of titles in their collection. Bootleggers are in it for the money and nothing else. They are businessmen and women, plain and simple. That is why it is not uncommon to see genuine fans and traders sharing what is called a "liberated bootleg". This means they are basically trying to take the legs out from under a bootlegger by freely sharing something they sell to diminish their profits. To me, anyone who profits is a bootlegger. Anyone who enjoys, savors and cherishes, is first a fan and secondly a trader. Sets and shows are commonly referred to as "boots" because that is what they are: they are bootlegs. A bootleg is anything that was not commercially released by a band or artist that is circulating amongst fans.

to your statement, The whole "bootlegger vs. trader" thing was one of the reasons I no longer bother with ROIO's ("Recording of Indeterminate Origin") since some people cannot see the difference between the two...I busted my ass (I either do something at 1000% or I wont bother, I cannot do ANYTHING "half-assed") in the past to FREELY share recordings, even to the point of transferring audio by tapers such as Torri from hard disc to dimeadozen to share freely...but STILL some think I wanted $$$ in exchange for the recordings I own, those IDIOTS have this BRIAN confused with another BRIAN of the FM/SN/LB trading circles, so I said to hell with it, I bowed out....I don't have the time for the b.s. anymore, but there are MANY traders who know me, and knew that I NEVER would profit off these ROIO's...

Cheers...

elle 06-04-2014 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saintbernard (Post 1131733)
A long time ago several eBay auctions for Lindsey Buckingham demos and outtakes from his then-unreleased Gift of Screws album popped up. Fans, some on this very board, stated they contacted his management about those auctions and contacted eBay regarding them. The auctions were allowed to continue with no apparent action taken by East End Management or Lindsey Buckingham.

i have no idea what he thinks about practically finished GOS1 bootlegs but i asked Lindsey at the M&Gs he had 2 years ago about some of his demos and told him how i would love to see at least some specific ones released (Deep Dense). he asked me which version i liked better, the fast or the slow one... i have heard several versions but they were all about the same speed..... anyway, he was not at all surprised that i would know these songs nor angry that i would talk to him about it.

many fans record songs during live shows. i told LB about live WATL being already up on youtube 30 mins after he performed it. a friend of mine asked him whether he's ok with us putting these recordings up. he said something like "just don't make me look bad". he sees when fans are recording performances and is well aware these will end up on youtube.

michelej1 06-04-2014 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1131769)
i have no idea what he thinks about practically finished GOS1 bootlegs but i asked Lindsey at the M&Gs he had 2 years ago about some of his demos and told him how i would love to see at least some specific ones released (Deep Dense). he asked me which version i liked better, the fast or the slow one... i have heard several versions but they were all about the same speed.....

You should have just answered, "the fast one."

Michele

Macfanforever 06-05-2014 02:36 PM

What I understand is boots are people producing copies and selling them and making big profits off everybody.


Bootlegger is a term that goes back to the 1920's moonshine days.
Remember Grannies moonshine still on the Beverly Hillbillies .LOL.............


Traders just want to trade to build up their collection at cost of shipping and cost of recording media back in the old days.Now its for free online as we see now.

Its great to see the sharing going on here as long there is no cash changing hands.

PenguinHead 06-12-2014 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by saintbernard (Post 1131733)
Let me apologize beforehand for being long-winded here, but...

Thank you for making things clear for the confused ones. I was going to chime in, but you took it to another level. I appreciate the wind.

PenguinHead 06-14-2014 07:10 PM

Live at Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York; June 29, 1977

Intro - Say You Love Me - Monday Morning - Oh Well - Rhiannon - Oh Daddy - Never Going Back Again - Landslide - Over My Head - Gold Dust Woman - You Make Loving Fun - I'm So Afraid - Dreams - Go Your Own Way - World Turning - Blue Letter - The Chain - Second Hand News - Songbird

How dare they subject their audience to nine new songs! No one wants to hear new music! Audience members paid good money and expected all the old classic songs they are familiar with. No Green Manalishi, no Man of the World, etc...what a rip off. That must have been a very disappointing show for their "fans."

And one more thing about bootlegs: the digital age and internet has pretty much gutted any profit margins for bootleggers. Most material that was packaged and sold for personal profit is now available for free (as it should be). As demonstrated on this fan site, fans have access and and gladly share live shows, outtakes and unreleased material.

Phil Lee 06-16-2014 09:33 AM

Looks like the link format has changed. All the links of the form https://www.mediafire.com/#bh0f7hfws2g4x are not working.


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