Stevie's everywhere except in the studio.
 

What's with that? Leno, country awards etc... IIMO she loves the cash from the tour and all the attention she's getting as an "icon" or "legend". Don't think she's interested in sitting in a studio making music anymore. Sucks. Get your a*s in the studio and stop wallowing in the fame. Sorry had to rant.

Leno retired where have you been? And yes BMI is honoring Stevie as a BMI ICON and yes Stevie has every right to enjoy her current status......

An excerpt from the press release...
"BMI Icons are selected because of their unique and indelible influence on generations of music makers. As a BMI Icon, Stevie Nicks will join elite ranks that include Paul Simon, Carole King, David Foster, John Fogerty, Kris Kristofferson, the Jacksons, Crosby, Stills & Nash, the Bee Gees, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, Brian Wilson, Carlos Santana, Dolly Parton, and others".

"Stevie Nicks is an extraordinary songwriter and pedigree artist of stunning genius and unwavering grace, on and off the stage. She has defined an era of pop and rock culture around the world with her brilliance and unforgettable magnificence," said Barbara Cane, BMI Vice President & General Manager, Writer/Publisher Relations, Los Angeles.

And you might be right in saying that you "Don't think she's interested in sitting in a studio making music anymore". I think Stevie is very interested in making new music possibly just not with FM...If Stevie doesn't want to record with FM that's her decision and if FM is not happy with that then maybe they should do something about it...

You may not be happy with Stevie and you are entitled to say so but she is doing an incredible job promoting herself as well as Fleetwood Mac right now...

If. .... If theyare recording since she doesn't play an instrument right now they would be laying down instrumental tracks and have absolutely no use for her whatsoever

Do we even know if they are still at the Village/recording?

they just started laying instrumentals? aren't they in the [expensive] studio for the second month already?

plus i don't get this kind of argument anyway. wasn't SN saying loud and clear that she wants to have a say and she wants to be in the studio from the start and that for her that not being the case was a large part of what was wrong with their last record? and the other large part being no Christine McVie? so i'm not sure where "what would she do in the studio?" is coming from. either she wants to be involved or she doesn't, if the new album is being made.

for all we know she might be hugely involved and just doing these few one-offs in between.

or she doesn't want to have anything to do with the new album. if that's the case the remaining band members should just put the new album out without her. or if she wants to just sing and not contribute any songs, they can (and maybe already are) do that.

they don't have infinite amount of time.

She says a lot of things

Excellent post. She's 65 years old. She deserves to get to do whatever makes HER happy. Yes, we all would like new music, but we have to accept that it might not happen anytime soon. I love that she and the Mac are getting all of this exposure. ;)

Stevie does, sure, and that may be what she feels is best for her personally and she has every right to do what she wants. but this is FM forum. doesn't necessarily mean that's what's best for the band. if she doesn't want to make new music with the band, i hope she told them that, that she's out.

SN getting an exposure does not necessarily mean FM is. unless you are going from the premise that FM is her band, not the band of 5 people who are all equally important, with 3 songwriters among them. :shrug:

It's not really expensive when you have hundreds of millions of dollars between you (lol). Yes I agree if Stevie wants to be a part of the next record then she should be in the studio and no doubt there would be at least something she could contribute even at this early stage.

Would be a shame if they put out an album without her though. I've been watching all these recent performances she has done online and her voice sounds fantastic, much better than it did in the latter stages of the Live 2013 Tour. That spoof she did with Jimmy Fallon was awesome, I know it was meant to be funny, but I think she nailed the vocals too.

On the other hand, we had a quartet album from Buckingham Nicks/Fleetwood Mac (and three tours), so a Buckingham Perfect-Fleetwood Mac album would be interesting and nothing to sniff at I'm sure.

Off topic: I've been thinking Christine didn't miss very much in her sixteen years out of the band. Thoughts? She missed what, one album and two greatest hits tours? Yeah sure she missed out a few million dollars dosh but money isn't everything. Do we really think if she had stayed that there would have been three Fleetwood Mac albums with tours behind them?

Nope, I'm not implying that it's "her" band at all, and yes, I do think that the exposure that she is getting does help the band. After all, she talked about Christine's return on the red carpet at the ACM's. I'm simply saying that she is doing what she wants to do, as she should, and that we MIGHT not get new music anytime soon.... I agree that hopefully everyone in the band is clear on which direction they are going as a group and that no one is causing drama. Life is too short to fight and bicker all the time. Also, I do realize that this is the FM forum, however, the thread title referenced Stevie by name. That is why I gave my opinion on Stevie in particular. I'm not trying to offend anyone, this is just my opinion and I'm sure it differs from the opinion of others. That's the beauty of having a public forum like this, where we can all discuss and debate the band and the music that we love. Have a great night! :):)

well, if they wanted an album with all 5, and if SN is against recording with them now, when CM is in (and again, we don't know what's really going on, SN might be actually in, and spending most of her time in studio with the rest of the band), then no they wouldn't in the last 10 years either. SN seemed pretty clear she didn't want to record with LB/FM after SYW, that she didn't like LB's work there.

LB talked about making another FM album right after SYW in DR doc. then he wanted to record a new FM album in 2010. then in 2012. now in 2014. the trend seems clear.

She was extremely upset that Lindsey was holding Christine's hand much longer than hers. She ran out of the studio and the other members have been trying to get her back since. She was last seen trying to get Don Henley back.

She's not going to get a say in the direction of/production of Christine's songs, now is she? And, by all accounts, that's what they're working on.

Just this week, Rolling Stone quoted Christine as saying that they're still working on constructing "proper tracks" from her "rough" demos.

So, if they're not working on Stevie's songs, and if they're not yet to the stage of needing Stevie's backing vocals, then there really isn't a reason for Stevie to be sitting in the studio twiddling her thumbs.

yes that quote really upsets me, for some reason. because 6 months ago, Christine was saying that she had 3 almost finished songs, and a few more in rough demo phase. so either they are going backwards on her songs, or it almost seems like an excuse for something else going on. :shrug:

:laugh: you do know i love you, right?

Indeed I do!

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Looks like she's trying to take advantage of the fact that "Leather & Lace" has just been ranked #3 on RS 20 "Greatest Duets Of All Time"...:nod:

Christine's the straightest-shooter in Fleetwood Mac. I highly doubt she'd be making excuses for Stevie or anyone. Besides, we don't know to what degree those songs were "almost finished." They may have needed more work than we'd all assumed. Additionally, the band always demos and/or records more songs than they need. So they're not going to stop at just three of Christine's songs.

I'd like to repeat something that I've pointed out before -- Lindsey didn't say or imply that Stevie isn't on board with recording. He said that the logistics of "when" hadn't yet been worked out. So there's really no need for any of us to jump to conclusions regarding Stevie's commitment to the band.

hope you are right. you are much more optimistic than i am, at this point. in this day and age, i don't see any reasons for them not to finish that album before the tour, if they are all on board.

Not just "when" but also "how". Lest we make it sound like simply a scheduling issue. She doesn't know how she wants to record with the band. It does seem like to some extent she's not on board. Not with the concept of recording a new album, but like they haven't yet agreed on terms regarding the recording that are satisfactory to her.

Too funny. And I listened to, Bella Donna, this morning.

yup.

you can read between my lines. ;)

I'd be thrilled if they had an album ready by September, but I never expected a new album that quickly. Historically, Fleetwood Mac works much slower than that.

Plus, this time around, there are other factors. First and foremost, I'm sure they probably need to move at a more relaxed pace for John. It's obvious from the Today Show appearance and the various photographs, that he's still in a weakened condition. My brother is half John's age and has been finished with his chemo treatments since the middle of February, and he still tires out very easily. So it's probably not a good idea for John to spend four months in the studio, then two months rehearsing, and then another four or five months on the road.

A little recording here & there is probably the healthiest way to approach this.

That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they complete one classic-sounding track, and release it to iTunes just before they hit the road. To whet everyone's appetite in the lead-up to the full album.

Fair enough -- but that "how" could mean nothing more than whether she wants to record at The Village or in her own home. That's not the same as not being on board.

My main point remains: There was no "if" in Lindsey's comments regarding Stevie recording with the band.

Quite frankly, I think that if the band didn't already have some kind of commitment from Stevie before they entered the studio, they wouldn't have even bothered.

i can't remember why, but i had a distinct impression the plan was to have the album finished before the tour. :shrug:

I don't remember anyone in the band ever saying that. I think, like many things, that was just an assumption on our part.

:lol: i thought that already happened. it was called Extended Play.

i guess the same as greatest hits tour would happen only once. and then the 2nd time. and now the 3rd time. whetting the appetite can happen just one time. and then another. and then they'll all be 80 and on walkers. and there will be no album.

Well, I was referring to a new song with Christine -- the hit-maker -- singing lead. ;)

Really, with Chris back in the band, they've pretty much hit the reset button on all of this. Look at how well last year's tour did, and yet people are still falling all over themselves to get tickets for this year's tour. And I'm not just talking about die-hards. This is being viewed as an "event." In the same way, any new song -- with all five "classic" members -- is going to get way more attention than "Sad Angel" did.

[QUOTE=BlueDenimLamp;1125991]Leno retired where have you been? And yes BMI is honoring Stevie as a BMI ICON and yes Stevie has every right to enjoy her current status......

Whoops meant Fallon.

Well they bothered to record six songs of Lindsey's without any commitment from Stevie last year so...

Also Stevie could absolutely be in the studio giving her input to (Christine's) the songs if she wanted to. This is a "band" after all.

That was a different situation. For one thing, those songs were recorded in Lindsey's home studio -- so they weren't shelling out big bucks for studio time. And two, Lindsey could have very easily folded those tracks into a new solo album, if Stevie declined involvement.

Everything's changed now that Christine is involved. Now they have Lindsey's songs and Christine's. They're not going to just turn them over to solo albums. And they're not going to release a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie.

Trust me, they're confident she's on board or they wouldn't waste their time and money.

Do any of us really think it would go over well, if Stevie -- the non-musician in the band -- sat in the studio and offered notes to Christine & Lindsey on the instrumentation or production of their own songs? They'd show her the door if she pulled that!

Now, if they asked her to help them work out a harmony-part, that's one thing. But they wouldn't appreciate unsolicited advice on the direction of their songs. And I highly doubt Stevie would even think to give it.

Yeah, maybe Christine's new songs need a Stevie line like Oh Daddy did and without it they're withering and dying.

Or Stevie claimed she was the one who dragged Lindsey in to do background vocals on Christine's songs for Mirage. If she hadn't done that, I guess Christine would have been sitting there singing all by herself, just "hold me, hold me, hold me," solo and indefinitely.

As you say, it's a "band" and although she is not a musician, there are things she can add at this stage of the process. Of course, she needn't put in the hours that Lindsey, Christine and Mick do, but she should be putting in some hours. Let's hope she is.

Michele

I think they may be confident she's on board, but not because there's anything in place, only because they think she'll come around in the end. Just like Mick knew she would when he did that Playboy interview. I don't think she's committed at all regarding an album yet. Just the tour. But yes, I think they know they can corral her.

Also, whether she's needed in the studio or not, whether she'll end up being in the studio or not (and I am sure she will be), for now things seem decidedly strange, distant and cool to me.

Michele

THIS.
I don't relate to their process in ANY way anymore. It's not about functionality or efficiency in the studio. It's about being a band and relate to eachother in a creative process. This is not a band. It's a bunch of solistic operating souls who are not searching for the value above the sum of the parts. It's all about how every individual gels with Lindsey. Chemistry between 4 individuals and one supervisor. So chemistry between Mick and Lindsey, John and Lindsey, Christine and Lindsey and finally Stevie and Lindsey. Not between the five of them all together. Incredible.

while during Tusk recording he was an ayatollah. sounds like a huge stepdown over the years, from ayatollah to just measly supervisor. ;)

This is why.I cant blame her.




Sorry guys.......

Agreed... Stevie has been doing a huge amount of public events lately, but has she even once acknowledged a new Fleetwood Mac album, or anything to do with recording any new music? It's downright bizarre.

Boy am I gonna get it!Having said that...
 

I have thought from the very beginning when CM's return was just a rumor that Stevie was not real keen on the idea. It almost seemed like she was trying to talk Chris out of it.When you're trying to convince someone to do something you give them all the pros about it to encourage them.Stevie seemed to be giving her a list of cons(grueling schedule,2hrs and 40 minutes on stage,this is no walk in the park,etc.)For so long Stevie has been the frontline person and,for the most part,the one who has gotten the most attention(on stage).The main focus of this whole tour is CM and Stevie is not going to get nearly the amount of attention that she's used to.I'm not saying that she hates Chris or anything but I think this is going to be a blow to her.I love her to death but,lets face it,our girl has an ego inflated to the point it makes a hot air balloon look like a pimple on her ass.She feeds off of all the admiration she gets from the audience.
Also ,she and Lindsey have just sort of rekindled their relationship(platonic) which was made obvious from their onstage performances.They appeared to be absolutely enjoying the shows and each other.CM and Lindsey are very close as we all know and I think this will be another thorn in her side.IMO she is putting herself out there and grabbing alot of attention because she knows when this tour begins she's gonna fade a little.Just my 2.5 cents.Don't slam me too hard please....:sorry:

^ I wholeheartedly disagree. I think that after you've had it drilled in your head for fifteen years that someone is never coming back for such and such reasons and then they say they are coming back, you have your reservations about how serious they are about it. A lot is on the line - in their minds, if Chris is back she has to be back for the long haul. They can't make a huge announcement about her return if she is going to turn around a month later and say she can't handle it after all.

Chris herself has said that Stevie offered her money to return. Stevie has always wanted Chris back, and I don't think she gives a rats ass about getting less attention on stage during the FM show. Chris playing her songs means Stevie doesn't have to work as hard. This tour will be a much lighter load for Stevie and I would imagine that would be a nice change.

Absolutely right. They should dump her.