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Phil 01-21-2014 07:52 PM

Does Stevie appear in The History Of The Eagles doco?
 
I thought somebody mentioned recently that Stevie had been interviewed for this documentary that was released in 2013. It was aired on television last night, but I didn't notice an appearance from her. Linda Ronstadt featured quite prominently, which was a nice bonus, but no Stevie.
Does anyone know if perhaps there was an extended version featuring Stevie, maybe on dvd?

FM77 01-21-2014 11:03 PM

She was on at the very end. It was brief.

Phil 01-22-2014 02:16 AM

Thanks for that - I must have missed it because I was fast-forwarding through as I can't bear The Eagles! Cheers.

Aussie W/Heart 01-22-2014 07:04 AM

Hey Phil, was it on free to air TV or pay.. wish i had known it was on....

sodascouts 01-22-2014 10:18 AM

It was during the credits. I was shocked she was used so little. She wrote songs about Don Henley and Joe Walsh. Don flew her out for booty calls and impregnated her (although I can understand why they didn't want to talk about the pregnancy, Stevie has never been shy about talking about the relationship). As for her other Eagles dalliance, Stevie ensured Joe finished The Confessor. Of course, we all know Joe is loath to talk about Stevie, but you'd think they'd include her gushing about him as the "love of her life." Then again, the only thing they seemed to want to talk about when it came to that period in Joe's life was his substance abuse and alcoholism.

Very disappointing.

I'd still recommend viewing it if you're an Eagles fan, though. It's full of fascinating insights into the history of the band, and since that was its main purpose, we'll just have to overlook the waste of Stevie.

Phil 01-22-2014 07:34 PM

Thanks again for the helpful comments. I will check out the closing credits if it is broadcast again.
Aussie W/Heart, it was shown on pay tv (Music Max channel) on Tuesday evening. I taped it in order to glimpse Stevie, but didn't see her excerpt when I fast-forwarded through. Unfortunately, I just deleted it afterwards as I have no interest in the Eagles.
I will keep an eye out just in case it is repeated and let you know.

sodascouts 01-22-2014 07:42 PM

You won't regret it if you're a completist like I am. For the approx. 30 seconds she was on, she looks fantastic.

Phil 01-22-2014 07:54 PM

I'm the same Sodascouts. I love these little excerpts of Stevie that crop up from time to time, like the brief appearance she made on that D Day special back in 1994. For many years, any footage of Stevie was so scarce (at least in Australia) that I would lap up anything that came my way.

MacMan 01-22-2014 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1118243)
I'd still recommend viewing it if you're an Eagles fan, though. It's full of fascinating insights into the history of the band, and since that was its main purpose, we'll just have to overlook the waste of Stevie.

Even if you aren't an Eagles fan (which I'm not) but like music docs - you might like it. I really loved it and actually from it have new found respect for their song writing and how some of the tunes came to be.. Thought the film was really well done.

elle 01-22-2014 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MacMan (Post 1118286)
Even if you aren't an Eagles fan (which I'm not) but like music docs - you might like it. I really loved it and actually from it have new found respect for their song writing and how some of the tunes came to be.. Thought the film was really well done.

agree. i really don't like Eagles' music, actually i normally change the station if their song comes on. but my husband likes them and he had the movie on, so i watched it all those hours with him and it was a really well made, interesting film.

although now besides not liking their songs, i also formed a really low opinion about Glenn Frey (what a dick! and proud of it) and Don Henley (what a complete bore). :lol:

i found it refreshing they didn't embellish/select out the footage of Joe Walsh at his lowest phases. he looked worse than sh*t, and that's shown straight up, nothing glorifying there.

David 01-22-2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MacMan (Post 1118286)
Even if you aren't an Eagles fan (which I'm not) but like music docs - you might like it. I really loved it and actually from it have new found respect for their song writing and how some of the tunes came to be.. Thought the film was really well done.

The politics fascinated me—seeing how two of the guys, by sheer force of personality, push their way into band leadership, calling the shots on musical style, songs on albums, personnel changes, etc., while the other, quieter guys are left wondering how they became support members. I've seen this happen in bands so many times. Each time, it's like a melodrama playing itself out.

sodascouts 01-23-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1118290)
agree. i really don't like Eagles' music, actually i normally change the station if their song comes on. but my husband likes them and he had the movie on, so i watched it all those hours with him and it was a really well made, interesting film.

although now besides not liking their songs, i also formed a really low opinion about Glenn Frey (what a dick! and proud of it) and Don Henley (what a complete bore). :lol:

i found it refreshing they didn't embellish/select out the footage of Joe Walsh at his lowest phases. he looked worse than sh*t, and that's shown straight up, nothing glorifying there.

I love the Eagles and while Glenn Frey came off as abrasive in the sequences dealing with Felder's contract, I think in every other segment he came off as a regular guy with all that entails, both good and bad. As for the Felder bit, he was just frustrated with Felder for holding out for more money and gave it to him straight. To paraphrase: You're not getting any more than the millions already on the table. If that's not good enough for you, leave the band. - Yeah, he cussed and all, but compared to some other band feuds, that one-minute phone call was pretty tame.

Don Henley boring? Well, he tends to be a bit serious, but he must have known how to show Stevie a good time!

As for Joe Walsh... That footage wasn't even rock bottom for him. I have a bootleg from the early 90s that I can't even watch because he's in such bad shape. He looks gaunt, and he's almost incoherent onstage. At least in the clips they showed in the doc, he was still able to carry on a meaningful conversation and remember the words to songs. Not so in the early 90s. Dragging yourself out of a pit that deep is no mean feat; for many addicts, even millions of dollars isn't enough motivation to make them say no to the bottle. He's definitely worthy of our admiration and respect.

elle 01-23-2014 12:56 PM

^^ interesting opinions, sodascouts.

it's fascinating to compare the impressions from fans vs the impressions of people who had no opinion whatsoever about any of these people, before watching the movie.

although i guess i may be somewhat biased because looking at their setlists, i could never make it through the Eagles concert but would love to go see Walsh solo show. or one of those Ringo/Walsh bashes.

but as people, i had no opinion about any of the eagles guys, and barely even knew who was in that band. before seeing the movie, i barely knew his name and could not pick out Glenn Frey from the crowd, the only guys i would recognize were Henley and Walsh. so all my impressions came from the movie.

didn't mean to step on your favorites. :) :wavey:

sodascouts 01-23-2014 02:34 PM

Yeah, since it seemed most folks here aren't that impressed with the Eagles, I thought I'd offer an alternate perspective.

It always surprises me that there isn't more crossover from the hardcore Fleetwood Mac fandom into the Eagles one. They seem to appeal to the same demographic in terms of casual fans, yet many of my hardcore Fleetwood Mac fan friends don't think much of the Eagles. By contrast, almost all of my hardcore Eagles fan friends like FM. I've always wondered if the Stevie factor had anything to do with that curious divergence, but that's another topic.

I agree with Elle that it's fascinating to compare opinions that were drawn entirely from a two hour documentary by someone otherwise ignorant of the band, as opposed to those formed by fans who, for years, have been reading entire books about the band, watching / reading dozens of interviews with band members, hearing about or experiencing interactions with them, etc. It's quite understandable that the opinions would not be identical.

Likewise, if someone who didn't really care that much about Fleetwood Mac were to form their opinions of the band based entirely on the interactions in the Say You Will documentary, they would probably have a different impression of them than those of us who are big fans. It's quite natural and I don't take any offense at someone expressing an opinion that differs from mine. I'm just offering my own as well.

It's all good. ;)

bombaysaffires 01-23-2014 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1118243)
It was during the credits. I was shocked she was used so little. She wrote songs about Don Henley and Joe Walsh. Don flew her out for booty calls and impregnated her (although I can understand why they didn't want to talk about the pregnancy, Stevie has never been shy about talking about the relationship). As for her other Eagles dalliance, Stevie ensured Joe finished The Confessor. Of course, we all know Joe is loath to talk about Stevie, but you'd think they'd include her gushing about him as the "love of her life." Then again, the only thing they seemed to want to talk about when it came to that period in Joe's life was his substance abuse and alcoholism.

Very disappointing.

I'd still recommend viewing it if you're an Eagles fan, though. It's full of fascinating insights into the history of the band, and since that was its main purpose, we'll just have to overlook the waste of Stevie.

She also dated JD Souther, who co-wrote many of their songs. I found this interesting forum that has a number of quotes from Stevie about all of these guys. I've heard a number of interviews from back in the day where she's said Glenn Frey treated her like ****, like she was just a hanger-on when she was dating Don. Kudos to sodascouts!

http://eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum...read.php?t=102

sodascouts 01-23-2014 02:54 PM

Thanks Bombay. Yes, those guys did not give Stevie the respect she deserved. Even Don doesn't seem to have believed in her at the time. It's definitely not cool with me. However, I group that into the "average guy" behavior because sadly, such a sexist attitude seemed to be commonplace among men back then. Even now, some still struggle with it.

Angel69 01-23-2014 05:24 PM

I like the Eagles and def consider myself a fan of their music.....as human beings not so much.

BombaySapphire3 01-23-2014 06:25 PM

I have a lot of the Eagles music as that was pretty much my era.I do however think that in the second half of the 1970s that Fleetwood Mac were artistically the superior of the two,I have heard the Eagles called the" American Beatles" due to the number of hits that they had but IMO from 1975 -1980 Fleetwood Mac were much more deserving of that moniker.FM were a groups of five distinct personalities with a very special chemistry specific to that five and the average young person could name them or most of them unlike the Eagles who were more faceless even at the height of their fame and with a revolving cast of members.

MikeInNV 01-23-2014 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1118354)
Thanks Bombay. Yes, those guys did not give Stevie the respect she deserved. Even Don doesn't seem to have believed in her at the time. It's definitely not cool with me. However, I group that into the "average guy" behavior because sadly, such a sexist attitude seemed to be commonplace among men back then. Even now, some still struggle with it.

But he must have gotten over it at some point, since he opened for her on a tour.

vivfox 01-23-2014 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1118349)
Yeah, since it seemed most folks here aren't that impressed with the Eagles

That might be because The Eagles were before their time. I who grew up in the 60's and 70's was exposed to all of our today's classic rock when the songs were brand new. Brand spankin' new. So to me The Eagles are one of the greatest rock and roll bands ever, with a treasure trove of hits. However, when I saw them live in 1980, they bored me to tears with their live show. They sounded just like the records and that's not what I want to hear in a live setting.

michelej1 01-23-2014 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1118349)
Yeah, since it seemed most folks here aren't that impressed with the Eagles, I thought I'd offer an alternate perspective.

It always surprises me that there isn't more crossover from the hardcore Fleetwood Mac fandom into the Eagles one. They seem to appeal to the same demographic in terms of casual fans, yet many of my hardcore Fleetwood Mac fan friends don't think much of the Eagles. By contrast, almost all of my hardcore Eagles fan friends like FM.

I remember there was talk that they might double bill, FM and The Eagles. And the FM fans were very upset by the prospect and I thought they would be just as mad on the Eagles board but someone said they read the Eagles fan boards and they weren't mad over there. It made me laugh. FM fans are always mad about something. I guess some bands just have more mellow audiences.

Michele

PenguinHead 01-23-2014 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1118394)
That might be because The Eagles were before their time. I who grew up in the 60's and 70's was exposed to all of our today's classic rock when the songs were brand new. Brand spankin' new. So to me The Eagles are one of the greatest rock and roll bands ever, with a treasure trove of hits. However, when I saw them live in 1980, they bored me to tears with their live show. They sounded just like the records and that's not what I want to hear in a live setting.

I'm a big fan of the Eagles; I have their entire catalog, yet strangely, the closest I've ever come to seeing them in concert was seeing Don Henley at his Great Woods charity show in Mansfield, MA in the 1990s.

Perhaps it's a blessing and a curse that they are so polished that they sound just like their records. The Eagle pride themselves on that ability, and it is very impressive. But not all bands have that ability or ethic, and some have very different dynamics.

I prefer to hear a performance that has a life apart from a studio facsimile. It's more soulful, organic and distinct when the song is distilled down to a more raw or organic form in live presentation. It's more unique and intimate. That why I fascintated with Fleetwood Mac when I started to discover e and collect early cassette bootlegs of their shows. It was alway fun to hear how they adapted their arrangements for live performance.

sodascouts 01-24-2014 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1118389)
But he must have gotten over it at some point, since he opened for her on a tour.

I think Don got over it as soon as he saw she was serious about going solo. No one held a gun to his head to do a duet with her, after all.

However, if I recall correctly, the "Two Voices" tour was a double bill, so he wasn't actually opening for her - If that's what you're referring to. On the other hand, Joe Walsh did indeed open for Stevie on her Wild Heart tour. That's how they met.

Michele - from what I've seen, hardcore Eagles fans as a rule are definitely a lot more mellow than hardcore Mac fans. I remember that double bill rumor. It would have been a dream come true for me! Alas, 'twas not to be.

MikeInNV 01-24-2014 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1118505)
I think Don got over it as soon as he saw she was serious about going solo. No one held a gun to his head to do a duet with her, after all.

However, if I recall correctly, the "Two Voices" tour was a double bill, so he wasn't actually opening for her - If that's what you're referring to. On the other hand, Joe Walsh did indeed open for Stevie on her Wild Heart tour. That's how they met.

Michele - from what I've seen, hardcore Eagles fans as a rule are definitely a lot more mellow than hardcore Mac fans. I remember that double bill rumor. It would have been a dream come true for me! Alas, 'twas not to be.

Yes, that's what I was referring to. And it was a double bill, but he played first. In all the ads, the Heart and Soul tour looked like a double bill too, but it wasn't.


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