Setlist Speculation with Christine.
 

Ok I'm allowing myself to go there....it's just too exciting not too.

Common thought is that Christine will get 6-7 songs if this happens. What are your guesses? And what songs fall out of the rotation for LB and SN? Just the deep tracks?

Christine will surely play Don't Stop, Songbird, YMLF, but what else?

Ok, so here's the setlist from the Dance tour:

The Chain
Dreams
Everywhere
Gold Dust Woman
I'm So Afraid
Temporary One
Bleed To Love Her
Gypsy
Big Love
Go Insane
Landslide
Say You Love Me
Sweet Girl
You Make Loving Fun
My Little Demon
Stand Back
Oh Daddy
Not That Funny
Rhiannon
Second Hand News
Silver Springs
Tusk
Go Your Own Way
Don't Stop
Songbird
Farmer's Daughter

I've highlighted Christine's songs in red, obviously. I think it's safe to say Temporary One will be replaced, very likely by a brand new song. The one song of Christine's I really, really hope stays is Oh Daddy.

Farmer's Daughter is a group song, but I see it getting axed, too.

It's my sincere wish the solo songs (Go Insane & Stand Back) will get the ax in favor of either 1) brand new songs 2) classic FM songs (like Sara or Eyes Of The World).

As far as Lindsey goes, My Little Demon is out, probably replaced by a brand new song. Bleed To Love Her may have the same fate... but since it was on the Dance & Say You Will and has Stevie & Christine's voices on both versions, it might just make the cut. Seems like it would be a full circle kind of thing.

Regarding Stevie, Sweet Girl is definitely out, hopefully replaced by a brand new song. I wouldn't mind seeing Sara in the setlist, either... but that probably means she'd have to drop something like Gypsy. So who knows? :shrug:

Will World Turning count as as Christine song, even though she didn't sing on it in London this year? ;)

I would think she would do: Don't Stop, Songbird, You Make Loving Fun, Say You Love Me, either Over My Head or Oh Daddy, and then possibly one of her TITN songs. So, really probably not that different to The Dance. Given the success of Everywhere amongst the younger generation in the uk, I'd hope she would do that one.

If she threw a curve ball - unlikely as it seems - I'd love Isn't it Midnight...

This is so FREAKIN AWESOME, to just be able to talk about this with it being a plausible reality. Never thought I'd see the day again.

and this year's setlist:

1. Second Hand News
2. The Chain
3. Dreams
4. Sad Angel
5. Rhiannon
6. Not That Funny
7. Tusk
8. Sisters of the Moon
9. Sara
10. Big Love
11. Landslide
12. Never Going Back Again
13. Without You
14. Gypsy
15. Eyes of the World
16. Gold Dust Woman
17. I'm So Afraid
18. Stand Back
19. Go Your Own Way
20. World Turning
21. Don't Stop
22. Silver Springs
23. Say Goodbye

overlaps bolded.


all Stevie's 1997 songs other than Sweet Girl were performed in 2013. additions were SOTM, Sara, and WY.

of Lindsey's 1997 songs BTLH, Go Insane, and MLD were not performed in 2013, and Sad Angel, NGBA, Eyes and Say Goodbye were replacements.

WT was Lindsey/Christine song performed in 2013.

Don't Stop Christine's song performed on both tours.

^^ so unless i'm missing something (quite possible!), in 1997 they were doing 9 LB's, 8 SN's and 7 CM's tunes?? not exactly an equal distribution...

anyway, based on the above comparison and what i finally got through my thick head (i.e. Rumours-era FM setlists NEVER ever change and never will :rolleyes: ) - it is unfortunately very easy to see what we'll hear on any future Rumours 5 tour:

Sweet Girl will be replaced by Sara, everything else will be exactly the same as during the dance.

since LB had 9 songs in 1997, his wings will be clipped down so he'll do 8 the most, and will not do GI (hasn't already this year) or MLD, and will replace these 2 with 1 song - NGBA (which he never skips anymore); and then he'll either add a brand new song or more probably we'll have Eyes again.

I have no personal experience with Christine's songs in the setlist... but looking at their other setlists with her... probably not much change there either.

I know it's a Rumours song and they feel morally bound to perform all of them -- except the shunned IDWTK (which maybe I can get Ryan Murphy to play on American Horror Story) -- but I would love to see Oh Daddy bite the concert dust.

Now, when it comes to rare songs they haven't played, it's easy to get a Tusk song in, past the censors. So, that's our best chance to have a different Christine song make its way into the setlist if it is from Tusk.

Michele

I've been thinking about a proposed set-list featuring Christine the last few days and whilst I'm also thrilled about her imminent return, I have concluded that it will essentially set the "greatest hits" routine in stone (with very little room for experimentation regarding rarely performed or new tracks).
If there were 25 songs performed (and we can't necessarily take this for granted), the split would most likely be 8 each plus The Chain (I'd love to see that replaced with The Farmer's Daughter but it seems unlikely). If this were to be the case, I just can't see them dispensing with the following:

Stevie:
Rhiannon
Landslide
Dreams
Gold Dust Woman
Silver Springs
Sara
Gypsy
Stand Back (surely someone will tell her at some point how inappropriate this track is for a Mac concert - maybe Christine has the balls?)

Christine:
Over My Head
Say You Love Me
World Turning
Don't Stop
Songbird
You Make Lovin' Fun
Oh Daddy
Everywhere

Christine's in the unique position whereupon she could easily trot the above tracks out and be forgiven due to her extended absence. However, I would dare to hope for the likes of Think About Me (or anything from Tusk), Hold Me and Little Lies (yes I think they should give this a shot with Lindsey replicating the studio arrangement).

Lindsey:
Monday Morning
I'm So Afraid
Second Hand News
Never Going Back Again
Go Your Own Way
Tusk
Big Love (I'm still holding out for the album version)
Sad Angel

Lindsey might remain a little more flexible than the others since only a few of his tracks were genuine "hits" and he is always more prone to changing things around. It would not be surprising for him to do the likes of Not That Funny, I Know I'm Not Wrong, Eyes Of The World or a selection from the Say You Will album. If I had my way, he'd just play all of his songs from the Tusk album and ditch the staples.

Therefore, I don't imagine we'll be treated to Fireflies, Warm Ways, Save Me A Place, Honey Hi, That's Alright, Book Of Love, Straight Back, Wish You Were Here, Seven Wonders, Tango In The Night, Isn't It Midnight or Thrown Down... more's the pity.

Considering they did 26 songs on "The Dance" tour, I think they could give each singer eight songs, plus count "The Chain" and "World Turning" as band songs. Since this isn't quit the big reunion, I'd like to see them take some daring chances in the set. There are about 14 songs they pretty much have to play, but that leaves twelve songs they can kind of go crazy with. Here are my choices:

Say You Love Me
The Chain
Dreams
Love Shines
Peacekeeper
Rhiannon
I'm So Afraid
Thrown Down
Book Of Love
Everywhere (actually, I'd rather have "I Do," but that'll never happen)
Sad Angel
Gold Dust Woman
Calumny
Big Love
Landslide
Get Like You Used To Be ("O.K. Ken?" version, with just Mick, John, and Christine playing)
Without You
World Turning
Steal Your Heart Away
Straight Back
Tusk
You Make Loving Fun
Go Your Own Way

Twisted
Don't Stop

Never Forget

You guys remember: even if there isn't an entire album, there will at the very least be another EP featuring songs with Christine on them. So, add two of those new songs into your setlists.

Michele

Another idea I had was to do a proper tour for "Tango In The Night," since they never really did that with Lindsey. But,they couldn't play anything that came after 1987:

Tango In The Night ->The Chain (i.e. the In The Back Of My Mind -> The Chain from 1990)
Say You Love Me
Dreams
Second Hand News
Gypsy
Everywhere
Seven Wonders
Caroline
Isn't It Midnight
Rhiannon
I'm So Afraid
Gold Dust Woman
Big Love
Landslide
Mystified
Family Man
World Turning
Little Lies
Sara
Tusk
You Make Loving Fun
Go Your Own Way

Stand Back
Don't Stop

You & I, pt II

I Don't Want To Know replacing Oh Daddy? You're off my Christmas card list. :p

Brown Eyes is probably my favorite Christine song, likely my favorite Fleetwood Mac song. But it was just DULL live. On the other hand, Over & Over really came to life onstage. I think I'd die if they dusted off Think About Me. :nod:

We don't know that for sure. It would be great, and easily possible, but it's not yet etched in stone.

It looks like Lindsey was trying to get another EP out, even if Christine hadn't returned. I can't imagine there not being one if she does, since the threshold for making it happen will have lowered substantially. Because all he'd have to do is get Chris to sing on it and she and Mick have said that she's written some songs herself, to add into the mix.

An EP (at the very least) is not etched in stone, but neither is her return. Yet.

Michele

this will be the setlist people, no need to even think much about it:

All:
The Chain

Stevie:
Dreams
Rhiannon
Gypsy
Landslide
Gold Dust Woman
Sara
Stand Back
Silver Springs

Lindsey:
I'm So Afraid
Big Love
Second Hand News
Tusk
Go Your Own Way
Never Going Back Again
Not That Funny
Eyes of the World

Christine:
Everywhere
Say You Love Me
You Make Loving Fun
Don't Stop
Songbird
Oh Daddy
Over My Head
either Brown Eyes or Isn't It Midnight... or possibly World Turning (especially since Mick needs his showcase drum solo)

in bold are songs set in stone (i.e. the ones that history has shown us they will never ever change). that means that if they each get 8 songs, maybe there is a room for Stevie to change 1 song, Lindsey 2, and Christine 3.

the only thing i see stopping that is if John's health turns to worse.

Christine has not only written, but already recorded several songs (what did she say? 3? 5? can't remember and lazy to search). and we know MoM have also recorded additional 5. they just have to add each others' vocals, tweak them some, and they are done. Lindsey and Christine both want to put new songs out... the only thing that can stop that is band politics.

Maybe even Little Lies.

Since "World Turning" is 50/50 Lindsey and Christine, I listed that in the "all" category.

I mostly agree with you, but I don't think Silver Springs is totally etched.

Then too Everywhere. Common sense dictates that they should play it because of the pony, but they're kind of psychotic. They would find an odd reason NOT to play it. I'm kind of proud of myself because I mentioned Mick's VIP package and that got Fleetwood Mac mentioned on a podcast and one of the hosts said that now that Christine was returning, he'd go see their show because Everywhere is his favorite song.

Also, I know you didn't bold it, but Eyes of the World is very iffy, to me.

Michele

That's like a knife in the heart. Don't send this band back to ABBA.

Michele

i was shocked they did Eyes again on this tour. but i think that was because to keep the pace in the set with just Stevie's and Lindsey's songs, basically ALL his songs they use need to be rocking or midtempo, since she has practically none. when Christine is there, she has a mix of different tempo songs so it can free him to do something slower instead of Eyes. (did i mention Walk A Thin Line? :angel: )

yeah i would too if it were up to me, but with 8 songs each that would take them up to 26 songs... they don't do that. they do 10 min ramblings instead. ;)

They did 26 songs on "The Dance" tour.

Maybe Christine's legendary sarcasm/English wit will curb some of that.

oh ok, missed that. then i'm with you - 26 songs with The Chain and WT as the band songs.

counting on her!

Yes, I don't think we'll have 9 minute stories with Christine there.

I will miss them a great deal though, to be honest.

I don't know if you can count on Christine's wit to save anything. Every time Lindsey asked, "isn't this weird" she answered "that is pretty weird" just like she did on the DVD. You'd have thought she would switch it up a little, since he wouldn't.


Michele

I Think you have nailed it. I hope they replace Over my head (which isn't as great live) with Hold me or LIttle Lies. Or do both and get rid of Oh Daddy. Plus the other poster is right, there will probably be one new song from her.

If I thought that none of Stevie's songs were rocking or midtempo, I would have killed myself a long time ago.

Michele

They USED to rock...It's been about 30 years.

Which reminds me, not only could Rhiannon get re-rocked, but they could try SOTM for one more tour and rev things up this time.

Michele

I never understood why you perceive it that way. "Little Lies" is not the ABBA song. "Everywhere" is. Maybe it's even too wimpy to be ABBA. It's more Leo Sayer. No wait, he's even more rock than "Everywhere". There is no song ever recorded that is less rock and more glossy pop schlock than "Everywhere".

"Silly Love Songs"

Really? In a live setting, I think OMH is vastly better than Hold me and Little Lies.

Ha! They're all pretty much sitting tight together in that 'genre'. Though Silly Love Songs has a KILLER bassline...

Depends. The '70s versions were killer. However, despite a noble effort by John McVie, "The Dance" version was pretty bland.

I would totally die just to hear Little Lies live just once in my lifetime. Ahh that would be so fantastic!!

....and what's wrong with that?

:lol:

Well played. :laugh:

I'd like to know.

I can't speak for today, with their current voices, but in the past, they sounded amazing together on OMH. I'm not going to say it's better than Hold Me though, although I know Hold Me was, apparently a disappointment to them in concert.

Michele

I'd rather they do almost any song in their repertoire than Oh Daddy.

Michele

I would say that Little Lies is not a bad song, it's just done very bad things to FM's reputation. It's not actually facile musically. Just the chorus ruins it.

So, I have no problem with it in my own home, but I don't want it out in public. This is the last tour for all of them (probably) and to open up my paper twice a week and read all the catty Little Lies reviews would be kind of sad. Even though I don't think Little Lies is thoroughly awful, I find Everywhere superior to Little Lies in almost every way.

Michele