SN: Chemistry Real Now, Fake in 2009
 

[All comments we've heard before, but I assume this is from the new Mojo interview]

Virgin Media, 11/2/2013

http://www.virginmedia.com/music/new...mac-have-real/


Fleetwood Mac singer Stevie Nicks insists her chemistry with Lindsey Buckingham is real.

The 'Landslide' hitmaker admits the bond between the pair has been ''fake'' during performances on previous tours but they are now as close as they were when we first met.

Stevie, 65, told Mojo Magazine: ''My cousin John has known Lindsey and I since 1968.

''He told me, ''When I saw you and Lindsey play with Fleetwood Mac in 2009, there was nothing between you.

''It was as if you were thinking, 'What shall I get from room service? Grilled cheese? Tomato soup?'

''Hammy wasn't the word for Lindsey and I in 2009 - it was totally fake.
''But what you see on stage now is not fake. It is loving, and it is as close to those two people who met as teenagers as you could hope for.''

Stevie was 16 when she was first introduced to Lindsey, then 17, at a party in San Francisco and started making music together two years later.

The pair posed naked on the cover of their Buckingham Nicks album, made before Fleetwood Mac was formed, and Stevie was ''terrified''.

Stevie revealed: ''I could not have been more terrified if you'd asked me to jump off a speeding train.

''Lindsey was like, 'Oh, come on - this is art. Don't be a child!' I thought, 'Who are you? Don't you know me?'.''

She hid the picture from her parents and admits they were less than impressed when they saw it.

Stevie said: ''When the record came out and I saw my father it was, 'Why didn't you just say no, Stevie?' I said, 'Daddy, I don't know. I didn't feel like I had a choice - I'm so sorry'. I learned a big lesson that day.''

You can certainly fake affection, but I don't think you can fake chemistry.

She was 16 and he was 17...I thought Stevie was like a year and a half older??? Anyhow if Steves and Bucky have truly returned to the friendship they once had then we should be in for a treat if they start working together on a musical level weather it is Buckingham/Nicks or FM...

Yeah, getting the facts a bit wrong there, pretty typical of journalism nowadays!

I knew something was off about that 2009 tour. When she was singing "Silver Springs" looking at the freaking AUDIENCE, her face expressionless, without even a glance towards Lindsey... ugh. As hardcore as I am, two shows was plenty back in 2009.

Now, this tour, I saw her due "Silver Springs" with Dance-level passion. It freaking blew me away.

I desperately hope for a Buckingham Nicks project this coming year!

Yeah, 2009 was lame, BuckinghamNicks wise. And I went to 3 shows, what was I thinking?

^Agreed. 2009 was SO lame. She barely interacted with him the whole show...whatever it was she was fakin', she couldn't even be bothered to do that when I saw them.

Yes, sometimes even people who have great affection for each other don't have a lot of chemistry and a lot of the times, there can be a certain tension between people that's not even POSITIVE, it can be a negative energy, but it speaks of volumes of chemistry.

As for 2009, the first time I saw them in Pittsburgh, I was struck at how little interaction there was between them, but the more I saw them, the more normalized things seemed and I craved as many shows as possible. I didn't feel apathetic. I didn't think they put on a bad show compared to SYW at all. I thought they were comparable tours, SYW and Unleashed. I thought The Dance was better than both though. I liked this current tour second to The Dance.

Michele

So what was being *faked* then if there was next to no interaction and, when there was, it wasn't the planned sort ala the Tusk dance?

Also, room service story re. grilled cheese etc? Okay, Stevie. If you say that's what he said, lol. Sounds awfully familiar.

"But what it does do is allow you to walk up on stage and be dramatic with each other. And we have walked up on stage and been absolutely the other side of dramatic – we have been like waiting-for-a-bus undramatic. Like, you know: 'Lindsey, what am I going to get for room service later? I think I'm going to get a grilled cheese sandwich and some tomato soup.'"

Next time, just make sure you include that he also said it seemed 'neutralised' - that's the word you're looking for. Lindsey knows it well; his press is saturated in it... #lovefest2013

Also, the Gypsy speech Stevie gave in 2009 had the same warm vibe as the WY speech this time around. Of course, this one is better because:

1. It varies more than the Gypsy speech did. This time we almost got new information each time she told it and with Gypsy we only got a few pieces of new info the whole tour.

2. Lindsey participates in the WY speech.

3. The WY speech is a lot longer.

But I wouldn't say that the Gypsy speech felt stilted or fake or anything. Seemed pretty genuine on the floor, on their mattress with the paper flowers surrounding them.

Michele

I guess she just means that in terms of their feelings toward one another, they didn't have as strong of a connection personally in 2009 as they do now, despite how they might have attempted to make it seem on stage. I doubt they were faking what interaction they did have on stage (I don't think they were pretending to laugh if they cut up, for instance) just that it didn't reflect how they were with each other offstage. Whereas now there is true affection, before it was more so ambivalence (as much as the two of them could possibly be ambivalent to one another, which I don't believe is actually that much).

It's funny that the "SYW tension, Unleased neutrality, 2013 lovefest" became Lindsey's spiel this tour. He totally stole that from Stevie. She was saying that back last November.

A former co-worker of mine referred to grilled cheese and tomato soup as the "Whores Special" because it's so cheap.

You guys see where this is leading to don't you?
The next public appearances (tour even) might
be something a la Hank Williams and Billy Jean
Jones.

And who here wouldn't buy a ticket to see that?

Since Stevie doesn't use computers it seems that someone in her entourage must be telling her what some of the,ahem,websites are buzzing about these days.She had to make a comment to set the whole thing straight.Little does she know we actually listen to what she says and we know that her story will soon change.Love her anyway..:rolleyes:

did anyone go to a show on the SYW tour? How was the chemistry then? It seemed awesome on all the videos I have seen...then again it also seems like LB was a complete maniac and Stevie was just going along with it :lol:

You just KNOW that once this tour is over and some time has passed and she's on to whatever the next thing is the real truth about this tour will come out... .and it wouldn't surprise me to hear her say "the chemistry on the 2013 tour was only onstage but Lindsey and I never talked offstage because we just aren't good friends, we weren't those kind of lovers; now, Mick and I.....well, we hang out and watch movies" blah blah blah

Well, didn't someone see Stevie and Lindsey having dinner together this tour?

I went to see 3 shows on the Say You Will Tour. Honestly, I'm not sure how people can say they see a differentiation between one tour to the next. Every show on any given tour is rehearsed & synchronized down to every robotic second. :shrug:

I have nothing to compare it to but videos from previous tours, but I felt like this tour seemed rather spontaneous... For them, anyway. The majority of places in the set in which they would interact were obviously planned, but there still seemed to be a lot of off the cuff stuff, especially during the WY intro and occasionally before Landslide. :shrug:

There's usually a VAST difference between tours. The Dance tour was miles away from the SYW tour.

SYW and Unleashed were pretty similar, but this last tour was from anything that went before as well.

Plus, just seeing shows at the beginning of the tour and then at the end of the same tour, there's a large difference in the presentation of the songs, the energy and the interaction. It's quite an evolution.

Michele

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This has been the case her entire career. She always acts like whatever she is doing is fabulous until a few years have passed. Isn't it funny how she still hasn't dissed Rod Stewart yet?

I will give you that. As the tours progress, you can see they get more tired, their vocals get a bit more ragged, they don't hit as high of notes, etc. But none of their 21st Century stage interactions, speeches, and such ever feel off the cuff, natural, or real. It's like going to see a Broadway play multiple times. Same actors, same story, but the delivery of the lines may vary slightly from show to show. :shrug:

You thought the Without You speech seemed well rehearsed?

It was pretty much a disaster every night, really, but that was what made it enjoyable, :lol:

Yes it was. A guy tweeted that he was eating at restaurant in Liverpool when they walked in together. The guy confirmed it was definitely Stevie and Lindsey, but didn't mention if they were alone or if anyone else was with them.

And I'm not so sure stevie will change her story this time. She's said things in the past about the two of them growing closer like the fact that Lindsey was treating her much kinder and that after seeing him with his kids she thought she had made a mistake when she left him (obviously that didn't last long) but I've never heard or read anything in the past where she's gone as far as to say the they were " as close now as when they first met". The other difference is that Lindsey is also confirming their renewed bond. This doesn't mean the two won't have a falling out in the future, but right now everything appears to be fairly blissful between the two of them and they have both also said they are making an effort to not go back to the "darkness" that distroyed their relationship in the past.

I disagree. Interaction can still feel very real. When I first saw the SYW tour the Tusk dance was just painful. They changed it (although it was still excruciating) but I also so a precision develop, an ease and a joy (of course Stevie will disagree and say there was never joy) grow between them, which was especially noticeable to me at the end of Don't Stop. I remember thinking at the Reno show that I'd never seen them melding like that and I hated the fact that the fight at the end spoiled things. I wish I'd been there to see what happened between my seeing them in Illinois at the beginning of the tour and then seeing them on the west coast. I marveled at the way things had changed and wondered how they'd gotten there.

Then, I saw the last shows, but not the very last one and Lindsey started getting sentimental, not just about Stevie, but about his deceased father, brother, got choked up over a dedication to Cory and how proud her dad would have been of her and changed the Say Goodbye prattle, so that it meant something it hadn't meant the dozen times I'd heard it before. It's been too many years or maybe it hasn't been enough.

Every stop on that journey was one I was happy to see and I saw something, felt something different each show -- but especially when I saw shows that were widely spread apart, rather than back to back.

Michele

I can't speak for Louie but I think he'd agree with you that the WY intro and the Landslide intros were spontaneious on this tour but the rest of the show was mostly a copy cat version of their past tours.

I don't think she would want to diss Rod, he's the type of guy that won't hold back. I read the fight started because he called her old and it hurt her feelings (though I don't know if that's true or not) and if it is I would say look who's talking Rod's older and than Stevie and not holding up near as well as she is in looks (IMO)

Kind of like Lady And The Tramp?

Sharing a noodle?

Michele

That sounds incredible lame and boring. They should just stay off the road if they don´t have the energy to do something from the heart!:shocked::mad:

Stevie and Lindsey have a love-hate relationship. We get it.