Stevie Still Angry at Spying Medicine Man
 

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'I will go to my grave angry at that man': Fleetwood Mac's Stevie Nicks opens up about the psychiatrist she blames for ruining her chances of having a family

By Daily Mail Reporter

PUBLISHED: 05:19 EST, 17 September 2013 | UPDATED: 08:24 EST, 17 September 2013


She was as famous for her drugs battle and rock and roll lifestyle as for her distinctive voice during the height of her fame with Fleetwood Mac.

And as Stevie Nicks returns on tour with the band, she reveals that she holds a 20-year grudge against the psychiatrist she claims prevented her from marrying and having children when he treated her for over eight years in her thirties.

The 65-year-old star accused her psychiatrist of being a gossip-hungry groupie who fed her high doses of valium to keep her coming back into his surgery.

Miss Nicks became addicted to cocaine for 10 years but following her treatment at the Betty Ford clinic in America in the 1980s she then started seeing a psychiatrist.

She said: ‘When I came out of Betty Ford I was in great shape and then I went to see the psychiatrist that everybody was seeing at that point and I think he was just a groupie.

‘He just wanted to put me on something that would bring me into his office whenever I was in town, once a week for an hour, so he could get all the scoop on what was going on in the rock and roll world.'

The star has been married once – to her best friend’s widower Kim Anderson after his wife, Robin, died from Leukaemia, however the couple split after eight months and she has not re-married.

The singer, who once had a brief relationship with band mate Mick Fleetwood, said she blames the doctor for her lack of a family.

Speaking on the Radio 4 Woman’s Hour programme, she said: ‘I say to people I’ve chosen not to have a boyfriend, I’ve chosen not to have kids, I’ve chosen to be an artist and follow my muse and all that and blah blah blah.

‘But during those eight years, that was late thirties to 45, who knows what might have happened during those eight years? I might have met someone, I might have even had a baby.

‘So I will go to my grave angry at that man [the doctor] for that, because he took eight years of the prime of my life away.’

In April, the band, whose only original member is Mick Fleetwood, began its first tour in three years with a concert in Columbus, Ohio.

On Monday Stevie appeared at the Fleetwood Mac party at The Arts Club, London alongside Mick Fleetwood and former Eurythmics musician David Stewart.

She dressed in her signature ethereal style, wearing a floaty sheer black top with cut-out shoulders teamed with chain-trimmed boots, leggings and turquoise gemstone jewellery.

Miss Nicks joined Fleetwood Mac in 1974 – three years before the release of the band’s best-selling album Rumours, which sold more than 40 million copies worldwide.

The four-piece band, which comprises Miss Nicks, Fleetwood, Buckingham John McVie, will perform three gigs at the London O2 Arena from September 24.

Stevie also confirmed that singer Christine McVie is also set to rejoin Fleetwood Mac at two unspecified shows on their forthcoming European tour.


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I know John is quiet, but sheesh. :confused:

Anyone know if this publication from the United Kingdom is considered to be of the gossipy kind, like the National Enquirer magazine in the U.S.?

He's technically not an original member of Fleetwood Mac. Peter Green formed the band and made Mick & John it's namesakes, hoping to lure John away from John Mayall's Bluesbreakers. This stunt ended up working, of course. But John McVie, despite his namesake in the band, was not a founding member of Fleetwood Mac. He didn't join the band in an official, full time manner for some time after it was formed.

It is a tabloid, often called the Daily Fail, unfortunately it is read by many but it is known as a right-wing sensationalist rag.

this is not the first time she's said this though
she's said the exact same thing a few years ago...well the stuff about the baby/fam.

i love that she's going back and basically saying fQ#K everything i have ever said before
here is what i think now ...
here is where I'm at now
good for her :)

Fishwrapper.com

Quotables: It Doesn't Seem Like Stevie Nicks Knows the Meaning of Accountability


9/17/2013 1:00 PM PDT, by Sarah Taylor

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"When I came out of Betty Ford I was in great shape and then I went to see the psychiatrist that everybody was seeing at that point and I think he was just a groupie. He just wanted to put me on something that would bring me into his office whenever I was in town, once a week for an hour, so he could get all the scoop on what was going on in the rock and roll world ... I say to people I’ve chosen not to have a boyfriend, I’ve chosen not to have kids, I’ve chosen to be an artist and follow my muse and all that and blah blah blah. But during those eight years, that was late thirties to 45, who knows what might have happened during those eight years? I might have met someone, I might have even had a baby. .. So I will go to my grave angry at that man [the doctor] for that, because he took eight years of the prime of my life away."

--Stevie Nicks of Fleetwood Mac fame, and it sure sounds like she's blaming another person for choices that she, herself, might have made. How ... refreshingly upsetting.

See, the thing is, Stevie is a talented, legendary, 65-year-old woman who just can't leave well enough alone (no really, she can't; in one of her more recent interviews, Stevie claimed that Reese Witherspoon was "too old" to play Stevie in a Stevie biopic. Wrap your brain around that one for a hot minute).

Stevie just seems to have a hard time saying, "Yeah, I lived an amazing life, survived some pretty crazy stuff, made some really good choices, made some really bad choices, and at the end of the day, most things that happened to me were because of me." That'd be a normal thing for any reasonable person to say, right? And it's not too far a stretch of the imagination to consider the option that maybe -- just maybe -- Stevie's possible Valium addictions may have been, in fact, her own choice, and not the fault of her doctor. And if you could fathom that one for a minute, then you might be able to fathom the idea that if Stevie's addictions were her own fault, and not that of her prescribing physician's, then it might mean that Stevie is actually the one who screwed Stevie out of 8 years of possible motherhood.

Nobody's judging you, Stevie, but there is one thing that it seems you need to face up to -- and it's that not every single bad thing is the direct and only effect of one sole person. That's real talk right there. .

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So these ahh...articles ....jeez..:mad:
I'm .....speechless/postless wtf..::confused:shrug:

Totally agree! She only started saying that in recent years. She talked about wanting children & adopting for a long time.

Yes, there was that time she said she would name the baby Lily Rachael or some such thing. Lillian?

I thought it was funny in Crossroads that Stevie told Hillary that she probably would have taken a year off if she'd gotten pregnant.

Michele

Lillian or Rebecca.

She told Jim Ladd that if she had a little girl, she would call her Sara. Of course, Sara is also "probably my alter ego." :lol:

This is what I've said for ages. One of the biggest parts of rehab is owning your behavior, accepting your addiction. Stevie has never accepted or owned her addiction to Klonopin... she's always offed the blame. I'll still never fully buy that she innocently sought a psychiatrist following her coke rehab, and he somehow tricked her into an opiate... one whose dose was taken for a decade, with ever ballooning doses. C'mon... she had to of known that wasn't legit or even okay. Since Stevie was then a veteran of rehab, she MUST have realized she replaced one addiction with another pretty quickly into her Klonopin stint. She either got wind of a Hollywood doctor who was liberal with tranquilizers for rock stars, or she simply turned a blind eye to the whole thing once she realized she was liking the opiates a bit too much. Either way, she had to of known a decade on Klonopin was just absurd.

For reference, I lived through a natural disaster several years ago where I lost most of my earthly belongings. It was a hugely stressful time in my life, and it was causing me to lose sleep, and my work performance to slip. I went to my doctor to see if I could be put on sleep meds just to get myself back into a normal rhythm. Instead, she prescribed me Klonopin. Let me tell you, you feel the effects of that stuff pretty quickly. You don't feel good at all on it... you feel like you have the flu or something. Headachy, no energy, your mind, body, and reactions are all blunted. All I could think about was how I wanted to stop taking it. As soon as I'd been on it long enough to reestablish my sleeping habits, I ditched the stuff. I cannot fathom staying on that garbage for a decade.

Oh. reallyyyyyy....... come on .....grow up... please !

Stevie...that's not the story you told a decade ago!!!
We take vallium for dental surgery and it is great!!!
But it's not for every day use, the poor dear woman is
all mixed up...so sad to read this trash! Very sad !!!

This is what Stevie said in 1990. I also remember Mick saying that Stevie was planning on adopting as well.

It is irresponsible for a physician to prescribe medication that has addictive qualities to a known addict. A doctor has training that a layperson does not, and therefore Stevie isn't wrong in saying that this guy has some responsibility for setting her back down the addiction path. Also, a prescription implies there's a need for the drug, a doctor has determined you need this and so you take it.

Listen, Stevie clearly consumed a wide variety of substances willingly, and suddenly living your life sober is a huge challenge. She's talked about this in some detail when talking about the tour after getting off Klonopin and doing concerts sober for the first time in a long time. So I'm sure when she got off coke she had the same concerns-- how will I do this without being high? Would make her more willing to go along with the Klonopin thing. But still, the doctor should have been worried about giving the drug to a person with known addiction issues and been monitoring her. And most importantly, Klonopin is NOT meant to be taken for more than a few months. That this guy kept refilling her Rx for YEARS is unconscionable.

Well put. I think I've posted similar sentiments in the past but perhaps not as well as you just did. I'm not saying Stevie should be absovled of all responsibility for her life, but regardless of her actions, what this guy did was malpractice. Prescribing an addictive drug for years on end and always having to up the dose and not recognizing the impact it was having??? Hard to believe he could be that incompetent. Makes me think Stevie was right, and he did just want a big rock star to come in and tell him crazy stories.

The fact that so many people misconstrued Stevie's comment about Reese really, really grates on me. Does no one have basic comprehension skills anymore?

Reese IS too old to play Stevie in a biopic.. because Stevie in a biopic would be Stevie when she was 25-30.. and Stevie when she was 25-30 looked about 15 for the most part. And by the time a biopic came to fruition, Reese would be 40. She wasn't dissing Reese. She was being realistic. Reese aged out of the potential role... Stevie HERSELF is too old to play Stevie in a biopic, too, obviously.

Thank you. I never understood the reaction to that comment at all. I actually thought Reese was too old to play Stevie in a biopic back when Stevie first brought up the possibility. That's not me being a youth-worshipping ageist or anything, it's just that a 30something playing a 20something just because she happens to be a BFF of the film's subject is going to end up looking incredibly silly.

Why didn't she adopt?
 

It's hard to believe that if she was really serious about adopting that she didn't just go ahead and do it. Ann Wilson did, so why not Stevie? Seems to me it was more of a pipe dream than anything else. I wonder if she loved the rock and roll lifestyle so much she just didn't want to sacrifice any of it in order to raise a child??

and we have a winner!

I think Stevie liked the idea of having a kid/being a mom more than the reality of it.

I was watching the last FM Behind the Music recently and Lindsey's brother was talking about LB becoming a dad, and how he (his brother) was surprised because being a husband and a parent requires "patience and compromise" and that those were two things Lindsey had a lot of difficulty with.

I kinda think it's along the same lines with Stevie... being a mother means NOT putting yourself first, NOT always getting your way, having to do things you DON"T want to do when you DON'T want to do them.... and Stevie's oft-stated "I don't like being told what to do" attitude would be a serious impediment to being a good parent. I got the feeling that her watching her friends and especially Lori go thru parenting (and the poopy diapers and tantrums and all that side of it) may have made her realize she made the right choice (for her). :shrug:

I agree that the Dr is responsible to some degree but so is Stevie in all of this as well. She still kept taking the pills and she could've went for a second or third opinion in regards to taking said medications. Plus , I also don't think its helpful in putting it in the media all of the time. If she felt she was 'wronged' by said Dr. she should've sued him and be done with it in that fashion not the media fashion. That would've gotten the point across much , much more really. If Stevie said that she was wrong in continuing taking the medication herself, I think I'd have more sympathy for it all ---but I do think she does share some of the blame in this issue as well. Maybe this Dr. did go in with good intentions but than something went wrong? Who knows, but if it was all 'fan' crazed like Stevie states than he should've referred her to someone else and relieved himself of her treatment & or care. That wasn't correct either on his part. Though this Dr. isn't going to speak up--why should he? Stevie does enough talking for the both of them. He's probably retired by now. Stevie should've questioned taking so many med's in the first place. But this is a person that was addicted to cocaine so going from one drug to another was probably easy. She probably wasn't in her right mind anyway. But having her friend (sorry, I don't recall the guy that took all her med's , what she stated in an interview?) but having him take all those med's wasn't wise either. Of course , he should've said no that to experiment as well. I don't mean to say this to make anyone angry but Stevie was an adult at the time and could've questioned it or made another choice in the matter. She is part of the equation in this matter not just the Dr.:shrug::shrug:

But that's kind of the point. You should be able to have faith that a licensed medical professional will demonstrate good judgement (which he did not) because you certainly can't expect a drug-addicted rock star to.

I do understand that, I work in a Dr's office have for over 23 yrs., I've seen patients come & go. We all have that choice. Some patients , not all tell me how disappointed they are in Dr. So & So and that is there right. So they change Dr's. Unfortunately, we don't know the full story only the one that Stevie tells us all of the time. There maybe a lot more to it? Who knows, I'm not saying' He' said Dr. doesn't own some responsibility in this matter, they both do period. But one of Stevie's family members or friends should've questioned the 'pills' if Stevie wasn't able to see what was in front of her at the time. If they could help her get into rehab than you'd think that say something about the amount of pill's she was taking at that time as well. Yes, we do put 'faith' in those we trust with our health, but as the patient we are part of that equation as well. No one knows everything , Dr's or pts. In the end we make the choices about our health. Sometimes we listen to our Dr's and sometimes we don't it is a choice. That's all I am saying. Unfortunately, Stevie didn't stop them sooner or leave this Dr sooner. Its sad but this is what occurred, or so it seems. Just some thoughts.:shrug:

When you are prescribed a drug that impairs your judgement, it kinda......uh, impairs your judgement ie the ability to see that you are impaired is actually IMPAIRED. She only realized how messed up the whole thing was AFTER she went to rehab to get off it.

The doctor bears the responsibility for knowing the patient's history and prescribing accordingly. You do NOT give a KNOWN ADDICT on an addictive medication....and you DEFINITELY don't give a patient medication CLEARLY marked as short-term for a period of YEARS.

Yes, it's good to be an informed patient, but the dr is the expert-- otherwise what's the point of all those years of schooling and licensure??

Now, if you want to totally call Stevie out for giving her prescription to Glen, I"m with ya.

EXACTLY!!!

OK OK, you don't HAVE to YELL AT me please, I NEVER stated the DR in this CASE WASN'T wrong. Even so , WHY didn't someone IN Stevie's camp watch this and was more aware THAN she was at the time???? They could've called said DR out on the carpet about this. This is why I hate these discussions no matter WHAT your opinion is you get slammed for it. Stevie still took this medication it seems without questioning it even though she was an addict. So one of her family members or friends that weren't out of it on med's should've questioned her taking these pills than for her??? that's all I'm saying. Go ahead and be angry at me ---whatever. Both still have responsibility here no matter what. Yes, DRS should KNOW better but they are human NOT GOD , they still make errors like the rest of us. NONE of us is perfect period. Yes, it was wrong to give Glen that medication etc. but he should've taken them either.

whoa, I wasn't yelling at you... I was yelling at the DOCTOR. However, I can see now how you might have interpreted it that way, so I apologize for not being clearer in my meaning.:sorry:

I don't get angry at people in this forum-- to me that's just silly. I don't take this forum that seriously that I would take offense or want to give offense to anyone. We all get passionate about certain subjects, but in the end it's just gossiping about people most of us have never met and don't really know at all. In other words, it's entertainment.

And I don't disagree with you that someone in Stevie's circle ought to have pointed out the problem. But I've always had the sense that Stevie doesn't want to hear what she doesn't want to hear, and rather than jeopardize their access to her, many people just keep quiet. It's a common problem around celebrities. I just don't think she was in a position to be objective about any of this, and a dr's first oath is to "do no harm". Given the patient's history, he totally should have known this was a bad call.

OMG, yes, yes, yes! Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!

It's so hard to explain this to people who haven't experienced it. I was on a triple-threat of these drugs for 4 and a half years, and didn't realize anything was wrong. One problem was that I had no sense of consequences whatsoever; I could only see this moment right here, not beyond. For example, I would drive 90 miles an hour and not see problem with that. The only reason I can see now how drastically the drugs @#&%ed me up was that one day, I guess I had a split-second of clarity and I realized I hadn't laughed or gotten really angry in over four years, so I thought, "I wonder what it would be like if I wasn't on these?" and got myself off the drugs alone, all by myself. It was absolute hell. The withdrawal was unbelieveable. No, the doctor would not help; he just wanted to keep increasing my dosage. Then, once completely off the drugs, I looked back and thought "holy *&^%, that was me? What did I do????" But it was totally just a fluke that I took myself off, and only out of curiosity. That was five years ago when I got off them, but I would still be on them now if I left it up to the doctor, I mean, quack, I mean drug-pusher.

As for people around you not stepping up to tell you something is wrong, they wouldn't, because they don't see anything wrong. What they see is someone who used to be struggling and now is not. And since the person taking the drugs always answers "fine" (because they're in such an "even" zombie-fog) when asked how they are doing, other people don't see any problems. They think you finally got what you needed. In fact, I had friends and family questioning my choice to get off the drugs, becuase they thought it was really helping me.

Of course, now I blame myself for ever listening to a doctor in the first place. They're just a bunch of quacks. But I do have to share the blame with the quack, because I was at a point when I could not make decisions for myself, and trusted a professional to help with that.

One other note, you know, they throw you tranquilizers and seratonin and dopamine pills, but they never measure the levels in your body first to see if that's even the problem. If I had high blood pressure, or high cholesterol, they would run tests, and then prescribe based on the test results. For the psychotropic drugs, they just hand them out...."oh, here's some pills to increase your seratonin levels, even though we have no idea what your seratonin levels currently are...so take these, and don't forget to come back every month so I can increase your dosage, again, without testing you..."

Ok , thanks, cause really I didn't mean any harm by what I was saying. Thanks for hearing me out and I do agree that maybe Stevie's friends and family 'did' try to say things to her and she just didn't want to 'hear' them and choose to ignore it all. I can't begin to understand an addictive drug addict since I've not ever done that. Other than 'food' I guess can be my addiction of choice. So its not that I don't feel for her on some level. I do agree this Dr should've know much better and should've taken himself off of her case. Unfortunately he didn't. Thanks again for not being mad at me. I guess I recall the times in the past on this forum and others (Stevie & Mac related) that things did get of hand so to speak. Which I tried to stay out of all of that stuff. I do hear what your saying about the entertainment etc. I mean its nice that we can communicate in this way , I still recall the days of the paper fanzine's and you really didn't have a way except by snail mail or phone call. Thanks no harm !!:nod::]

[This was a strange article, since Stevie has nothing to do with Earl Hall and her drug use is way in the past]

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Earl Campbell and Stevie Nicks fighting the same foe -- drug addiction

Los Angeles : CA : USA | Oct 29, 2013 at 7:28 PM PDT

By Mike Sarzo

At first glance, you wouldnʼt think Earl Campbell and Stevie Nicks had much in common.

After all, Campbell is a former Heisman Trophy winner who was a bruising running back for the Houston Oilers during his heyday in the National Football League. He played from 1978-84 and for the New Orleans Saints from 1984-85. He, Paul Hornung and O.J. Simpson are the only three players to have a Heisman who were drafted No. 1 overall and are in both the NFL and college football halls of fame.

Nicks is a singer-songwriter who is a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Fleetwood Mac and has sold millions of records both with Fleetwood Mac and as a solo artist. Her musical career began in earnest in 1973 when she and singer-guitarist Lindsey Buckingham released their debut album Buckingham Nicks. From 1974 to 1990, then later from 1997 until now, Nicks has performed with Fleetwood Mac. Her solo career spans from 1981 until now.

Rather than the aggressiveness with which Campbell played football, Nicks is better known for mystical lyrics and a sensitive approach to songwriting, according to her episode of VH-1’s Behind The Music.

One thing the two do have in common is the fact that both have struggled with addictions to prescription drugs. Campbell wrote a column for thepostgame.com in which he opened up about his struggles. He said in his column he would wash down his prescriptions of Vicodin and Oxycontin with Budweiser and pointed to “the euphoric feeling of mixing alcohol and the prescribed medication,” which he said “led [him] to down more pills and drink more beer.”

Campbell said his using the pills in combination with alcohol “reached the point that I began slurring my speech, pushing my family away, struggling to remember things and allowing important business opportunities to slip away.”

When he was sent to a rehab facility, he was in denial that he was facing a problem, saying that even after he was admitted to the facility, “I didn’t fully believe I belonged there. In my eyes, I was simply washing down a few pills with a beer – nothing close to the stories I was hearing from other addicts who were hooked on ʻhardʼ drugs like heroin or cocaine.”

Campbell eventually saw himself and the other addicts as being part of the same struggle, saying “as the days and weeks went on, I began to see myself in the stories I heard in counseling, and soon realized that even though we relied on different drugs, we were all fighting an uphill battle against addiction, struggling to get and stay clean.”

As for Nicks, her addiction to cocaine is well documented. She reported that she snorted enough cocaine to burn a hole in her nose and eventually decided to check into the Betty Ford Center shortly after a plastic surgeon warned her, “I think the next time you do a hit of cocaine, you could drop dead.”

She has also been very open about agreeing to a psychiatrist’s decision to prescribe klonopin to keep her from going back to cocaine.

According to Behind The Music, klonopin is only supposed to be used for a matter of weeks. The psychiatrist had her on the drug for eight years. Nicks has said the prescription medication robbed her of her creativity and led her to lose eight years of her life.

Nicks eventually rebounded, touring with Fleetwood Mac in 1997 to support their 1997 live CD “The Dance,” which came during the 20th anniversary of the band’s legendary album Rumours. The next year, she released and toured for a boxed set Enchanted. She has since released two studio albums and a two-CD greatest hits package.

Campbell, who wrote that he will have four years of sobriety as of Nov. 16, is now seeking to raise awareness of prescription drug addiction. He has good reason. Campbell writes, “according to the CDC, 2.2 million people abuse opioids such as prescription painkillers like hydrocodone and oxycodone.

“Between 1999 and 2008, the rate of prescription opioid overdose-related deaths in the U.S. more than quadrupled to the point that the CDC now estimates opioid drugs contribute to three out of four overdose-related deaths.”

The examples Campbell and Nicks have set prove that drug addiction isn’t just a choice people make that leads to ruin. They show that addiction is a disease that needs to be treated. Campbell also writes of potential new treatments for drug addiction that include an implant under the skin of a patient’s arm that delivers a six-month dose of medication. Campbell writes that the active ingredient, buprenorphine, is the same ingredient that’s given orally. Unfortunately, the FDA decided to postpone making the new treatment option available. He encouraged readers to contact the FDA here.

Campbell and Nicks may not have much in common in terms of their respective hall of fame careers. But their respective struggles against a common enemy of drug addiction show how important the fight is, and show us that more support for addicts not only saves lives, but it also increases the quality of life for former addicts and their families and friends.

Wouldn't that 6 months dose of medication keep them hooked, Michele?

I don't know what buprenorphine is. Maybe you can't get hooked on it. I mean, like maybe a six month dose of methadone under your skin might keep you away from heroin.

Michele