The Dance Tour
 

I've been looking around for videos from the Dance tour, but there is very little on You Tube, etc.. Is there just not much available?:shrug:

As far as I know, in addition to the DVD there are bootleg videos of:


Uniondale
Pittsburgh
Camden
East Rutherford
Minnesota
St. Louis
Albany
New York
Landover

They aren't especially good quality though.

Thanks, Michelle! I have the Landower show, lousy quality tho, as you said. I've looked for the Vh1 All Access Fleetwood Mac recording, SYW, but can't find it. Do you know if that is available?

I uploaded the VH1 All Access thing awhile ago if that's what you're looking for:

http://buckinghamnicks-ff.tumblr.com...hs-masterclass

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Thank you soooooooo much! Nicole? Been wanting both for awhile!:D

There is not much available as people have commented earlier, apart from the official DVD release which is very cool! Don't Stop with a brass section! Accordion on Tusk. Slow piano intro to Rhiannon. Banjo intro to Say You Love Me with John McVie "actually singing" [backing vocals]. Plus Temporary One, Bleed to Love Her, My Little Demon, Sweet Girl, Silver Springs (new addition to tour setlists debuted onstage in 1997).

The CD is missing five songs that are on the DVD. And is also missing the video which unless you are legally blind I am sure will be of great value to you! ;)

Stevie looked beautiful in 1997. And so did Chris. Just gorgeous...who knew she was going to retire so soon after?

But yeah, sorry, unfortunately the reason why bootleg videos are so lacking for the 1997 The Dance Tour is probably because the Internet was not as widely available back then as it is now, as you would know, YouTube probably did not exist in 1997. So any video you recorded would have to be saved on to a video cassette or DVD during that era, I think. Then shared with friends that way. The Internet as I remember only really took off about ten years ago in Australia when it became so omniscient, ever present. It existed before that but was dial-up mainly and very slow. I first accessed the Internet in 2002.

Anyway, I could get nostalgic but hey that's life.

James

Hey, James! Yeah, I thought as much when I starting searching to play catch up! I LOVE THe Dance video, cd, show, etc. and i remember how highly anticipated the show was in '97. When I sat down to FINALLY watch The Dance premiere after seeing a snippet here or there, so excited that it would be hard to put into words and then saw how good they all looked and sounded, I actually cried and I'm not a crier!

They were truly a sight for sore eyes! Stevie was so beautiful, strong and vulnerable at the same time. Christine was so tender with John and Lindsey got a reminder of the old Stevie...I think her intensity filming that show was a surprise even for him! And, Mick was in heaven!!!!!

In the past couple months, I've devoured everything I can get my hands on since The Dance...what's up with ALL the rumours of something going on romantically between Stevie and Lindsey over the years, I thought there was nothing between them. Rumours from the 80's, The Dance tour, SYW, Enchanted???? Some producer telling a story about S&L seeing each other? Who and what story? What the hellio? Anyone willing to fill me in....I just HAD to ask!!!!! Am I a shipper for wanting to know, lol? Nostalgic about this group, oh yeah!!!!! :blob1:

YouTube launched, I believe, in 2005. DVD debuted in 1997 so I doubt there were recordable DVDs yet. Funny, I first had high speed Internet in 2001, but was using dial up for nearly a decade before that probably.

Thank you!! :blob1:

That is the first time I think I've ever seen Stevie kiss Lindsey...nice kiss, too! Lindsey does lots of top of the head kisses and neck nuzzles (I'm a sucker for the way he does THAT, just turns his head inward and sinks in...ahhhh), he gives great full body hugs, too! Love a man who so obviously know his way around a woman...

Listen to Thrown Down, then listen to Bleed to Love Her, then listen to Everybody Finds Out, then listen to Steal Your Heart Away in that order and tell me what you think.

I have my personal opinion or idea about the BN relationship but I don't want to spoil your discoveries\

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Stevie Nicks is a very mature woman these days - she is very focussed on her careers, friends and family. She has a brother and a niece, I think a nephew too though I'm not sure and I don't want you to take my understanding as Gospel ;)
Lindsey Buckingham is also very family-focussed with a wife and three kids
In 2013, there is not any romantic love between Stevie and Lindsey, and I know this to be true because they have stated so in no uncertain terms. Such as the song "Say Goodbye" was Lindsey's way of saying goodbye when he finally accepted you know around 1997 when he started writing it, that there would never be any more romances between him and his high school sweetheart - but that they could still be friends.
In 1997, there are "rumours" that Stevie and Lindsey engaged in an affair, or at the very least, were interested in each other romantically again, but did not engage in...sex. They have never been shy about telling each other how they really feel. The result is at least 10 of the songs off Say You Will are self-indulgent stories about their own lives with each other: Thrown Down, Red Rover, Bleed to Love Her, Steal Your Heart Away, Everybody Finds Out, Smile at You (written in 1982), Say Goodbye. Goodbye Baby I highly doubt has anything to do with Lindsey. It was written around 1976 I have read on the YouTube video comments of the "infamous demo" of Goodbye Baby during which Stevie says, "Feck!"

The problem with Goodbye Baby is many people seem to assume it's about Lindsey though I highly doubt it is from listening to the lyrics closely it seems to be either about her and Mick, or more likely, about the loss of a child due to miscarriage.

Anyway. I would say their romance truly ended in 1997. That is not to say they were having sex from 1977-1997. Not at all. But they still felt love for each other it would seem, and even though Stevie chose to leave the relationship, she was continuously forced to face up to working with her ex-boyfriend of 8-10 years. As was Lindsey, for his ex girlfriend. So they never had any closure until The Dance when they finally and ultimately accepted that it was over and they would never ever be together. That is just how I understand their relationship. I have not had the fortune of meeting Stevie or Lindsey, and the problem is if you meet both, they give completely different answers to your questions: as has become clear in Rolling Stone interviews and other media of late, 2012 and 2013.

If Stevie is sleeping with anyone at the moment my guess would be Dave Stewart, but my real opinion is that she is currently single and working her arse off to be taken seriously as a singer into her 60s, 70s and 80s for as long as she lives. That's why she has a voice coach. And Lindsey loves his work too. But I'm sure he adores Kirsten and the kids.

When you meet Stevie and Lindsey, are you going to ask them if they were still sleeping together as late as 1997?

I would also suggest listening to Fall From Grace, which is also confirmed to be about Lindsey and written circa The Dance/post-Dance. And Cast Away Dreams which is one which I find extremely fascinating. Also, Destiny Rules which is a favourite, if only for the joy/misery I find in both of them clinging to 'destiny' and 'fate' as justification for why things are the way they are. And My Heart/You May Be The One if we're focusing in on the Dance through SYW period. There's others too but I think those first two tell an interesting story and the latter two are interesting in terms of emotional 'residue' as Lindsey would say.

As Lindsey said, yes - but there are other kinds of love to be had. They state plenty of things in no uncertain terms, however, that I don't always believe. :D Ah, Say Goodbye seems to be the song of everchanging meaning. In SYW/Soundstage era he said it was actually written just after taking leave of the band in 1987. At the beginning of this tour he used the recording date as the writing date and said it had more to do with closure. In the latter part of the last leg, it seems to have evolved and become about "acceptance, faith and resolve for the future". Whatever that means... Also, not quite sure he 'accepted' it quite that simply at that point in time.

I don't think that's a problem because I think it's quite likely that he at least plays a part in the meaning of that song. Certainly, I subscribe to the miscarriage theory (most of the time) and without going into further detail, the fact that it was written at that point in time makes me think any guesses that it does have to with Linds probably aren't too far-fetched.

Also, this from the director of Destiny Rules seems to confirm it having emotional significance to both of them:

"one of the more emotional moments made it to the film and that was when Stevie and Lindsey recorded "Goodbye Baby". That was shot very quietly late at night and due to the subject matter, was a very private and personal moment between those two."

Whoa! Heavy, what the producer said...this is all new and intriguing to me. Going to go listen to the songs in the order given guys, such a hard task, lol! I'll get back to you after...thanks for playing, such fun for me to catch up and then to tell my daughter.

I know that many of you have been thru these subjects ad nauseum...I haven't, and as you can see, I became a Ledgie way back in 2000, but I lost my status because I had to change screen names...and was on AOL dial up as soon as it was available. Main reason: I heard that Stevie and FM were all over the Internet and it was true! Nothing like now, of course, but more FM info than I had EVER seen at that point in time, anywhere! Chat boards, The beginning of The Nicks Fix and The Penquin!

I really love this board and all of the intelligent, thoughtful, arrogant, funny, etc., things that all of you (we) lovely people say. I forgot how nice it is to be among people who share your interests, intensely.... So thanks for taking the time....really. Desiree. :o

I thought it was about that controversial thing I'm not sure if we're allowed to talk about (actually, I kinda hope we're not, since the conversation usually goes nowhere and only ticks people off) that involved Don Henley.

People talk about it. Those fights usually take place in the Stevie forum.

Michele

Yeah, me, too. A real baby and not miscarried either...she has talked about this, years ago, around the same time that she did a series of very sad interviews that I personally had a hard time reading:( Still makes me feel sad for her when I think about those interviews.:(

Me, too!:nod:

I've also Moline show 11/18/97

Any better quality than my Landover 1997? Mine's so grainy for the most part that it's hard to view, (hasn't stopped me tho) but the sound is pretty good! When LB goes after SN for the kiss at the end, my VHS copy makes it look like he steamrolls her, lol! Well, he kind of does....hahaha

Yes. I overlooked that one. I have it here labeled 11/14.

I should really copy this stuff from VHS to DVD or if I'm too lazy, pay someone to do it. They're few enough shows that it would be worth it.
Michele

Been thinking the same thing...I'm lazy, too, and I have the whole set up, just need to set it up, lol!:laugh:

[QUOTE=secret love;1100877]Listen to Thrown Down, then listen to Bleed to Love Her, then listen to Everybody Finds Out, then listen to Steal Your Heart Away in that order and tell me what you think.

I have my personal opinion or idea about the BN relationship but I don't want to spoil your ...

Ok, I listened in order, but I'm only good at the obvious, more literal lyrics and don't follow so what is your take (unless the spoiler alerted me to your take already?)? And in that case, I'll check it out again!:o

It's like Stevie said about the record, Say You Will, it's all there...everything about their relationship. TISL had a few, too. And, to me...so many of S&L's lyrics are so literal that all you have to do is read them and realize the story that is right there before your eyes. Especially since The Dance and subsequent tour.

I was listening to Candlebright last nite...God, she sings that so beautifully and so earnestly. You can tell she moved around a lot as a kid and I think she kind of always held and to this day still does on to LB as her rock so to speak, that one for sure, that will always be there if I really need him...brings to mind some of his not so nice lyrics in What Makes You Think I'm the One? :(

[QUOTE=Desiree;1100972
to this day still does on to LB as her rock so to speak, that one for sure, that will always be there if I really need him... :([/QUOTE]


I don't want to speculate too much, but I think it's safe to say if Stevie ever really needed Lindsey, he will be for her whether he liked it or not.

It's obvious that there's A LOT of stuff that has happened between Stevie and Lindsey that we don't know about, and may never know (which is appropriate, because everyone should be allow to have their own secrets), unless someone from the band spills the beans (so to speak).

Such as I have seen several of Stevie's IYD interviews where she said that when Lindsey went to help her record Soldiers Angels for her CD, he was there for 2 or 3 days they talked and reconnected and became friends all over again, but then he left and she finished the CD with Dave, or at least that was the impression I got from the interviews.

Well that's seems to be only part of the story, because Lindsey said in a Seeds we Sow interview that he spent quite a bit of time with Stevie towards the end of her making her CD, so it goes to show you, you never know what's really going on unless your are there (and if you are there, you have to e-mail me and tell me everything :laugh:)

I for one am anxiously waiting for Stevie to write her book. I will camp outside Barnes and Nobles for a week to be first in line for that one.

Just to be clear in my original post I was indeed being nostalgic about the rise of the internet which even at 19, nearly 20 yo; I full well remember the advent of the Internet.

It is funny how recent youtube is in grand scheme of things. I was only 12 at the time! Oh and although this Stevie and lindsey relationship dynamic is interesting it is definitely not my fave thing about the band. Mainly I admire their professionalism after all thes years they are still not phoning it in.
James.

Obviously not that would be rude.

Hahaha! Funny, funny...there have been times where if given the chance , I just might have asked, lol!:D

Best not to...Karen (Stevie's Personal Assistant) might thump you one (verbally). :nod:

Is it messed up that I want Stevie and Lindsey to have had sex during the dance? Does anyone else feel that way? Or at least a hook up...my tortured soul just wants to know what really happened!

btw I am a new ledgie. Hi to everyone and can't wait to chat with all you guys! :)

Actually she keeps moving the date she will write it. The last time I read anything about her writing her book she said she will be in her 70's, so who knows. I just hope I'm around when she finally gets it out. :nod:

Hello, nice to talk to you.

I think fans have been asking this question for about 16 years now with no answer. So again, you will have to wait for Stevie's book that may or my not come out in the next 10-15 years. :shrug:

It's not weird, but personally it doesn't matter to me. I can tell just the way they interact on stage that they really do love each other, but these days as great old friends and professional associates. We know that they would most likely have had sex when they were indeed together in the late sixties and early seventies for that nigh-on 10 year romantic relationship. I just love the music and to me, if it is just an act - props to them for being great performers really. But I do think as Mick has been saying a lot lately in press interviews, it's a group of people which adored each other. They fought but they always adored each other - Stevie, Lindsey, Mick, John and let's not forget, Chris.

Some people on here seem to think I'm a frootloop! I just wanted to clear up I'm not, in general. Furthermore, I want to clear up that I doubt I'll ever meet Stevie or Lindsey in person. Also, I don't care about their love/sex lives and I don't think about it a whole lot because it's simply not that interesting to me. The thing is the songs are beautiful, not all Mac songs are great - but at least there are more hits than misses. And I loved Say You Will. Thought it was wonderful. Yes it did sound somewhat schizophrenic to me too as I've read or heard other people say, somewhere or other. Schizo just meaning the bridge of Christine's voice and playing was missing. But we have In the Meantime from the same era, and that solo record was just gorgeous. To me, if Stevie wants to go do 1 more solo album, or 2 or 3 and never record with Fleetwood Mac again I wouldn't blame her: life is short and In Your Dreams her latest was amazing. She finally "got" that she doesn't have to always rock out and that some quite, reflection really suits her voice now.

These musicians are just people...they have their own lives that outsiders don't know about, but don't we all? I think to say you live a life with anyone but your family (blood/love) that is completely open-book is probably not quite honest. My life is not an open book, for one. There is a lot I internalise and I wish I had a voice like Stevie Nicks to let my writing be free...to give it life. But I'm a man with a lowish voice and not much confidence to do anything musical..

Anyway I'm going to stop before I get one of those dreadful "thanks for sharing" type of comments.

James

I totally agree! Love Say You Will...that is actually my driving cd right now. And I just ordered In Your Dreams so that is good to hear as well :) Any favorites? :laugh:

SYW is a great record with some really great songs. I love to rock out when I drive...give me something great to sing to and I'll drive to China! :nod:

My favorite song is titled New Orleans.

To Nicole: Thanks for these enlightening songs and pieces of information.


I agree that Lindsey talks about closure but did not appear to have truly accepted in his heart of hearts that in 1987 when he wrote it that he had closure (as he said in the concert footage - Live in Boston 2003).

It appears they do have closure now so I'm happy for Stevie and Lindsey as people, and as musicians that they are still working sending the dreams out and letting us catch them (in Stevie speak :D).

I do sometimes wonder, though only occasionally - how true Stevie's story about not being online is. I'm sure her friends tell her things they read and I think she gets very easily upset even in 2013. And I know many 65 year olds are just ...very competent in Internet usage.

Nicole, closure is about two people accepting something. Not just one - ie Lindsey. Yeah Stevie rejected him during the making of Rumours, but she has quite openly had some feelings for him since then. You would simply get bored of writing song-after-song and so on about each other if there was nothing there.

I write poetry and lyrics (occasionally piano too) and I write about things from 2009 and 2010. I write about things from 2012 and 2013. Time is an ever changing beast, and entirely dependent on a person's concept of it. Also just because you write about something that happened 3 or 4 years ago it does not mean you are stuck in the past. Writing actually helps you come to terms with these things.

Note, Other animals don't wear watches as you would be well aware haha :p Time is a very human thing. As we say it heals all wounds.

James

I corrected this just for you.