LB is an insecure man
 

this has been up for days but seems nobody posted it yet -

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it's just a scan of an article, so non-paste-able.

also, a bit more here -
http://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com/2013...ecure-man.html

Sunday, July 07, 2013
"Lindsey Buckingham Is An Insecure Man" - Classic Rock Magazine Summer 2013
They've had their share of highs and lows, but rock's most dysfunctional band will be reeling back the years on their first tour in four years.

Short Q&A with Mick Fleetwood in the current issue of Classic Rock Magazine - UK. On Newstands now.

Very sweet about the hand holding to the Clinton stage. That was one of my favorite comments from Disney's Going Home. Although, at the time Mick also mentioned that John and Christine were holding hands as well.

Michele

Mick was certainly very candid and honest in his responses here. He definitely doesn't hold anything back.

This interview was obviously done before the tour started. Wish we knew exactly when.

Did I miss Buckingham divorcing his wife and mother of their three kids at some point? I'm really confused by the playing up of the great Stevie/Lindsey romance he'll "never get over" (according to others). They've been playing this up on stage and in the press and somehow the audience keeps swooning whenever they supposedly show this huge enduring powerful affection for each other. Like John McVie I've been one of those who cares types on this for the last thirty whatever years. I don't see the fairytale romance that was/is/always will be or how it makes so many attracted to the group etc. :shrug:

Awww, they held hands, that's so powerful and deep. Huh? A married man with kids and a woman he used to live and work with in the '60s-'70s? There are lots of things in the world of celebrity I will never understand (like Justin Beiber's '70s ladies hairdos and make-up) and apparently this is just another one of those things. I take it Mick is seeing dollar signs every time he feeds this "powerful sh*t" as he calls it to the media who lap up the great story behind the music. :distress:

I've never bought into this at all. To me it's something sort of created by the press.
I was always drawn to the band because of the music. And only because of the music - the voices, the guitar, the drums, the bass.
Much of what is made of Stevie and Lindsey's relationship is manufactured.
They are old friends - they have a history together on many levels, but I think ultimately they like to sing together and that's really all that matters.
If they hold hands on stage or hug, or whatever - I see it as too almost-elderly friends who have been sharing a stage and studio time for a long long time.
That's really it for me....

I think it's the first I read an interviewer says For some people Tusk is actually the great Fleetwood Mac album. Interesting.

Stevie was a superstar as a solo artist. Lindsey wasn't. That all hurt him a lot.
Humm.... probably it hurted it in his pride, and because of all the story between them, I guess. But as an artist, I don't think Lindsey was looking for being a superstar. His solo albums weren't designed for a superstar. He was more interested in the art, the work. I don't see his albums intended to be a commercial huge success.

Yes, regardless of taste one thing you have to give Lindsey is that he could manufacture a hit commercial recording if he so wanted.

Lindsey was "writing songs for Stevie and Christine"??? Come on Mick, you know better.

:distress:

exactly. It's all scripted as to when and where they'll hug, and it's timed down to the last millisecond. It's "nice", but it's part of the stage act.

He came up with Dreams, YMLF, Songbird, and the list goes on.... lolol

I agree. Lindsey's solo album weren't designed for commercial success. Infact all his album were more adventerous, very distant from the pattern of making hits for sales.

I think it's important to distinguish that Lindsey did not write those songs - he contributed instrumentation, which is not substantial enough to get him writing credits.

Why blame the press? Lindsey seems to bring this up repeatedly on his own. He, of all people, should have gotten sick of talking about it by now. But he doesn't seem to. It's either some sick obsession or a calculated marketing ploy.

I believe the "lol" at the end of the post meant he was being facetious.

I'm going with the latter.

This may be so but why on earth are they still writing songs about each other?
Do Stevie & Lindsey write about each other just to perpetuate the myth & sell their music to fans of the 'soap opera'?

It's worked well in the past so I'm sure they aren't changing the formula.

And if so, he should probably also avoid saying it's roleplaying in the same interviews he's supposedly peddling this myth by saying songs like It Takes Time are about Stevie... Kind of defeats the purpose of selling a myth if you're also saying it's a myth to that same audience. ;)

If we're saying Lindsey is very authentic, honest, non-commercial etc blah blah blah especially in his solo career, does it also make sense to then say he's peddling some age-old 'myth' in his lyrics just to appease a band of hardcore fans? I'm going with the 'sick' option just because he himself said their war was sick. :D

Either way, I'd sure like for Buckingham Nicks to not only become comedians but also actors because apparently they're damn good at it...
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Maybe I've just been holding out too long
And maybe I couldn't admit that I was wrong
And maybe I've just been lying to myself
And no one else

Slow down, baby
Cross that line
If you want to save me
It takes time

And maybe I've wasted all this precious time
Trying to prove what is and isn't mine
Wondering to myself if you knew
It was all for you

I had another dream of you last night
Sailing on a sea of blue
You were grieving for someone else
I was grieving for you

Miss Fantasy
It may be
You don't remember me
But I remember you

Do you still tremble when I fall?
Will you still answer when I call?
Would you still love to linger up against the wall?

THIS. Exactly--I would never describe Lindsey as anything other than authentic, full of integrity, honesty, etc. when it comes to music. Mick and Stevie are both self-admitted drama queens and I tend to take everything they say with a grain of salt.

I have to ask the question other people have been asking too: Why would Lindsey still be writing songs about Stevie if it's all a money-making scheme? I don't doubt their onstage antics are largely scripted (however, I don't think that the emotions they're showing are--I think they all genuinely care for one another), but it's a stretch to say that Lindsey sits down to compose a song with the thought "I need to write this about Stevie so that people will take interest in our scripted drama and buy a lot of copies." :laugh:

Yesterday I was listening to the audio of that visit Lindsey did to the USC campus after the "Seeds We Sow" tour. A student asked Lindsey what it was like to work with Stevie again on "Soldier's Angel." Lindsey talked at length about his relationship with Stevie, the nature of it, their history, how he met her when he was sixteen, how he hopes they have "a few more chapters to write" regarding their relationship, etc. Now, the man is speaking to a room full of twenty-somethings--was he talking about Stevie in that way with the intention of making money? I doubt it. The bottom line is this: Lindsey and Stevie have always had a complicated relationship and I think they always will. But they have both expressed interest in continuing to make music together and seem to be getting along much better now, which is nice to see. So what's the problem?:shrug:

I suppose if he talked/wrote about his wife and kids sales would plummet. The fabulous decades long drama looks awful in that light, just Stevie flirting with a married man again.

Okay, I know I'm on ignore with some of the hardcore Rumours/B-N worshippers here from some time back, so I'll trouble your shangri-la no more with reality about abortions and such. You want your fantasy of a great romance but not the actual details. I just hope neither ends up like another figure of hero worship Michael Jackson. Apparently it's hard to sleep at night in these fantasy lands. I'd rather be Peter Green without the massive money; he's saner and more true to his art than anyone. So funny how those who talk most about big loves and all that showy jazz actually do so many inhuman things and leave behind real victims. :p

Outside of Rumours, I don't think that Lindsey believes songs about Stevie are commercial successes -- not for him. He seems to like Big Love an awful lot and that's not about Stevie primarily. He doesn't sell any more records whether he's quoting Emily Dickinson or talking about his wife and kids (It Was You) or singing long live the queen.

So, I think he's writing for his own needs, not to continue drama for the public's sake. I think focused fans really miscalculate the extent to which anyone else cares about what these people write today.

I think he thinks writing about complicated relationships and the dynamics between people who have known each other a long time is inherently intriguing and they don't necessarily have to be romantic relationships or not actively romantic anyway. It's the fact that you have this bond and love for people that you don't even LIKE some of the time that makes it fascinating for him. He says they shouldn't have been in a band together, yet he's been through things with him that he hasn't been through with people who were in the same family as him and I think that contradiction continues to stimulate him, emotionally and creatively.

A lot of his songs like Peacekeeper or Sad Angel or even Shut Us Down are about work, not a love affair. And I think it's easy to be enthralled by their relationships without wanting them to get married and have babies. What's not fake or fabricated is that some of the people have known each other since the sixties and some have known each other since 1975 and they still are together in one sense or another. That interests me no end.

Michele

Well, that went over my head! :laugh:

I vote option #2

Couldn't have said it any better.

Um, but he does write songs about his family (and use video/pics in promo, etc) and he certainly DOES talk about his 'beautiful wife' and family - many times when he talks about him and Stevie, he'll talk its complexity, the love, etc but then disclaim what he says with the whole 'but I'm happily married, a surprise late in life' and so on. He's also, several times, made a point of contrasting him and Stevie in terms of how he's married/has kids and she doesn't have that, and how thankful he is for it.

He refers to his wife/kids onstage, in interviews for hardcore fans, in interviews for the general public, all of that. Sales don't plummet because of that. That would be ridiculous. MOST people don't go through FM or LB lyrics before purchasing music going 'oooh! that one's about Stevie and so's that one but if they were about his wife instead then I'd totally not bother with buying the album.'

And I'm not sure that they're that calculated re. being careful to tread lightly on the drama-love-r'ship line considering some of the almost unbelievable quotes they've both made on the topic. If they are calculated that much, I'd tell them to get difference advice on how to do so because at times it makes neither of them look particularly healthy or 'over it'... And it's often in conjunction with other quotes about present happiness and contentment with their situation (either single/married) so it doesn't really work as a tool for shipper's fantasies either.

I would also venture to say that not all 'shippers' do want to live in some happy fantasy hero-worshipping world with declarations of undying love and ignoring reality. In fact, I think the reality of the situation (and that includes both the present reality of a marriage/kids for Lindsey and also the past realities of some probable really unpleasant times that went down) makes their story and their current interactions MORE interesting. All details do (to me, and whether positive or negative) is give me a clearer picture of these two people and their incredibly flawed and complicated history and relationship. And that r'ship doesn't have to be a current sexual relationship or even a romantic one at all. They're plenty fascinating enough without that

Even if I might join Lindsey in his dreaming from time to time... ;)

That was my point. ;)

You should know me by now.. :xoxo:

I can follow you in every detail. I just hope you don't paint Lindsey in the same corner as Stevie. You can hate him to the guts, But he's at least as attached to his art as Greeny. To be fair, he's a lot more focused than the old hero, and still searching for new grounds, although he's a very shtickloving controlfreak. The man should headline the Big Bang Theory. Still, he's the most innovative Macmember ever. At least he's trying too in an organic way, at a pretty respectful age.

Yes. They do. Heck, it' seems to be the appointment. Still, the fact that those songs intensions are only moneydriven, does not make them meaningless. They contribute to the legacy, and That's all they got now, in 2013.

True. Many here have very specific positions that have remained constant for years and I think, in many instances, you can determine what they are mean without emoticons.

Michele

And then of course sometimes if you don't put them out there, someone doesn't get the tone. Sometimes safer than sorry..

I apologize for my last post here, some things really trip my landmines. I need to work on that. :(

Lindsey is a great guitarist, I always want to hear more of it.

I don't often post here, but I thought Mick's interview was worth commenting on... When he says "writing songs for Stevie and Christine" he is clearly referring to the recording/production process. Even though Stevie and Christine are credited as the writers, the songs as heard are obviously completed by Buckingham. This is a guy whose influence can be heard all over pop radio almost every time you turn it on... How guitars are placed within a pop song, how different tunings and textures of an acoustic can influence a listener, rarely using the same tone on a electric guitar (i think Keith Urban may have mentioned this in an interview years ago), and even how he he has properly used technology to enhance recording, and on and on

Their are very few living legends and you can see that he is one. I think its important for people to sometimes set aside all the drama of Stevie and Lindsey and focus on what this guy has done for music. It will be studied by musicians, producers and engineers for many years.

He also knows there are likely people recording/reporting what he says in the room also. As they say, this ain't his first rodeo. He knows anything he says in any remotely public (and even in private) circumstance will be reported somewhere.

Also, he's in the middle of a tour. He's doing interviews daily. He's got his interview routine/shtick/shpiel whatever you want to call it, down to a science.

Bottom line, I don't think anyone REALLY knows wtf the Lindsey/Stevie relationship is and I'm not sure we ever will. What's that lyric he wrote about 'maybe when we're in the ground the truth will finally be told" (not intended to be verbatim, but tht's the gist of it). I'm not sure even THEN the real story will be told.

I think the real story is grittier, harsher, nastier and more effed up than any of us would imagine. I think a lot of what's in the songs is the NICER bits, believe it or not. YMMV