Stevie discusses Possible New
 

Full Album

Based on Fans ( ugh the bbw's and there husbands who came to hear Dreams and Rhiannon and will go pee and get beer when new songs are preformed ) Reaction to new songs on this Tour

http://www.nme.com/news/fleetwood-mac/68746

This is a bit daft, but given that she is completely out of touch I'm not surprised. I'd be disappointed if nothing at all was released; they are not going to get an arena-full of fans screaming loud for the new material. Only some of us will do that, and we are a minority ;)

yes, i wish this woman would maybe from time to time look at the calendar and realize it's 2013 and that her 30 year old logic has some serious flaws.

"we will give you new music if you LOVE what we release but not just LIKE it"?? :laugh: seriously??:rolleyes: how do you measure this love Stevie? by the number of downloads? by happy screams of people? by reviews? just curious... :shrug:

if you are an artist and have the need to create and put out new music then you do it, whether or not people buy it or love it. maybe they'll love it now or rediscover it 5 years down the road... and maybe they won't. but you are moving forward and being creative. :thumbsup:

however, if you are just putting out new music for money and commercial success (which you were lucky enough to get in troves and can still reel in millions by touring and royalties anyway... so why do you need huge sales of new music??), than don't claim that you are still an artist, please. :sorry:

well put! so sad that at this point in her career it's about the dollar

Half the time I think it's more about the possibility of rejection than it is the money.

It has always been about the dollar in her career.

Well, the good news is, even if Stevie doesn't want to do FM songs, she seems rejuvenated about new material in her solo career. So, there's a good chance her fans will be getting some of that.

Michele

All replies very well put. Think of the some of us out there that still ask her about her Rhiannon film, or the release of GF&LB...it's like she strings these things out to hear what we say, which in turn will make the decision for her. OBVIOUSLY if we are still interested (enough to ask, write about, discuss on boards) 30+ effing years ago...we'd go apes&it for a new album.
I would also venture to say that any new album she makes would in her mind be "for the fans" first and formost as she wants to do that album for her mother, and probably figures that no one but the fans would want it. Hey my dearly beloved Nicks...how about if YOU want to make it...make the album, sing the song, wtf ever and screw what others think. Take a leap...you aren't getting any younger. Nor am I for that matter. lol I'd like to see some more projects before I'm in the nursing home!

BINGO!

Well, then, I have a bridge or two I'd like to sell you.

Well I'd think a low-selling album (for FM standards) would make more money than no album at all, unless I'm very off in my conception of how much it costs to record, release and promote a studio album. Did SYW make a profit (tour aside)?

It seems to me that there's a fear of diminishing of "the brand" thing going on, she would rather not see Fleetwood Mac reduced to a sidenote. Not to say that Stevie Nicks does not enjoy being rich.

I think that she just really doesn't want to make new music with FM and so she's trying out excuses to get out of it. That might be as much a way of trying to get away from the manipulations as it is about the music. I think she wants to make another solo album.

You know? Lindsey has searched for collaboration with an outside producer, Mick John and Lindsey played their asses off to make new Macmusic. I really think she's not very respectful towards that work by talking this way. She may not want to record new Macmusic, but hey, there are three guys that already made a Fleetwood Mac album for 75 %.

I agree. She seems really hyped to do solo material and collaborations. So, her fans will get the benefit of that.

Her comments about FM are nonsense excuses. It would be helpful if she'd just say she didn't want to record with them or she has a hangnail or something, because the "fans don't want to hear it" line is an increasingly weak rationale.

Michele

But is that attitude not very disrespectful towards the rest of the band?

The attitude of not wanting to record with them? It might be disrespectful, but I don't think she should be recording under duress. Then, we'd only have to hear her complain about the process for the next million years. I want her to want to be there. But that desire can't be forced and shouldn't even be cajoled. If she doesn't want to record new music with them, let it go. I don't want anyone begging her any more than they have already.

If certain curly-headed people would work with Mick and put their minds to having another woman record with them . . . I think we'd get somewhere. We'd go from 75% to 100% album.

Michele

Both Lindsey and Christine have kept their artistic credentials by releasing solo albums they anticipated would only sell to a narrow part of the market. Although both different people, they did it not for profit but because they wanted people to hear the music.

When I hear Mick and Stevie talk about the music industry in recent interviews I'm unsurprised but still a bit disappointed that they appear only to look at putting music out as a material exercise. Otherwise "we will just make music for ourselves". It leaves a very bad taste in the mouth and really makes me lose respect for those two.

What do you think that means? Do you think she meant that she would just make music and keep it to herself to listen to at home and not release it anywhere or . . . that she would just release music and not care if anyone bought it or not.

I wasn't exactly clear.

Michele

I took it to mean that they would not release it. It seems to me quite a spiteful comment that was not meant to mean that they would release music independently.

I always thought her reluctance to record with FM has a lot to do with how they used to undervalue her, the tensions that happen when working with Lindsey, how she feels her opinion doesn't count as much since she doesn't play an instrument. I know that's old stuff, but it comes to mind especially when she talks about how much she misses Christine.

FM also knows that Stevie is the big name of the band at this point in time. I'm not trying to make the issue black and white, ala "it's all their fault and not hers", but it could be at least one part of things.

I'm back and forward on this. From this interview, taken on its own, I'd agree. But given that she's said plenty of times that it's not worth it because people will download it illegally I'm not so sure...

If she backs out then then should add 2 or 3 Lindsey acoustic songs (Bel Air Rain, Time Precious Time, Not Too Late etc.) and release it as a Lindsey solo album or some new group name. I don't want them to wait around for ages on La Nicks.

I took it to mean that she'd keep in for herself and not release it at all. But this might be what I wanted to understand it as. I didn't even consider the second possibility you mentioned. I hope she means that.

And I would say that right now (as opposed to the eighties and nineties) that Stevie is the big draw on the stage, but not necessarily for an album. If FM released an album and Stevie was just on 3 songs and you had Christine and Lindsey on the others, I don't think the album would get any less publicity or have fewer sales than SYW did.

So, if they could conceivably record with Christine, they could have their new music out under the FM banner. They could tour (with Stevie singing live on 2 -3 of the new songs). They could have their cake and eat it too.
Not to mention the fact that if they did record with Christine, you wouldn't be able to keep Stevie away anyway. She would record. That's a certainty . . . but even if she did not, it would be a viable FM album. Just with her on Sad Angel, Without You and Miss Fantasy.

Tour contracts are already signed, so you have Stevie locked in for that. If the question is just finishing an album, there are other ways to solve that problem right around Stevie.

Michele

yes. this is the main reason why i hope Christine does record with them while she's in LA, and may have been one of the main reasons that Mick went to get her NOW, as opposed to her coming out to the US at any other time. i think the boys are pulling all the stops to get that new album out, they even admitted some of that. :nod:

i agree also with people who were saying that SN has her reasons not wanting to record with FM and that's her prerogative. so that's just one more reason why it would be spectacular if Christine is interested to record with them - in that case there can be a legit Mac album and Stevie doesn't have to do anything more than she already did on those 3 songs. and they can release it whether or not SN thinks that first few released songs are "loved" enough. :rolleyes:

(one problem might be that i think Lindsey truly does want to close the cycle and work with Stevie again... and he wrote those songs in her keys, with her singing on them in mind.)


i would also LOVE to see Christine on stage with them in Columbus (and maybe a few more dates!) on several songs, just like Lindsey came on during BTM tour. she is obviously very capable of doing it, looks to be in unbelievable shape (just check out how those jeans fit her!) physically and her voice sounds great! why not jam with the guys in front of arena audiences and experience all that thrill again!!

I love how Stevie Nicks' logic contradicts Stevie Nicks' logic. She used to go on and on about how when they went out with Rumours and did all Rumours stuff, they almost got booed off stage! Nobody wanted to hear GYOW! So if she had approached Rumours the same way she is approaching this, Rumours would have never been made. :shrug: Le sigh... I just hope if they make music for "themselves" they at least put it out for the fans.

I thought she meant that when they played all Rumours songs after the album was released? Some of the songs were being written before the album was recorded, but not all of them, so they couldn't have played the entire album in concert until after it was done, right?

You hit the nail on the head. Why the f did she make her solo album then? I don't think people were jumping up and down over her last solo album. She said she made the album because she felt creative and again and didn't give a crap if people bought it or not. She simply does NOT want to record with FM anymore.

I sooooooo want this to be true! :p:D

Well, do you think Mick is really gunning for Christine in order to lock Stevie in? If so it seems like they don't really want to work around SN during the recording process for whatever reason.

read my post above. i think Lindsey wants to work with Stevie (to close the cycle and all that). but i think that all the boys want to get that FM album out one way or the other.

if they have Christine, than they can get it out - with or without Stevie.

having Christine gives them options and much less dependence on Stevie's whims.

It doesn't seem like a whim to me, it seems like Stevie has had this reluctance for a long time now. She wants Christine.

Since Christine doesn't want to tour long-term, would Stevie and Lindsey tour Christine's songs? Or would they just not put them on the setlist? Would they try to get it out before the tour starts (could they even??)? before it ends? after it ends?

I think many posters are taking Stevie's comments almost personally, as if she is thumbing her nose at us or being a fickle diva. She's shrewd to the industry dynamics. Fleetwood Mac is without a label. This could be a negotiating ploy to score a guarantee from whatever label they eventually sign on to record under. There's generally MUCH more going on behind the scenes. There's a reason she's sticking to this "script" in every interview.

Well, I think Mick wants to work with and be with Christine for her own sake as well, for reasons having nothing to do with the Stevanestra. I just think he's not immune to the leverage that having Christine will give them strategically either. ;)

Michele

you might be very right. but bands usually do that kind of stuff about touring it seems b/c that's where the money is, not about albums. :shrug:

being without a label seems like a good thing to me, they are free to do whatever they want instead of being pulled in yet another different direction, besides all the ones their various management factions keep pulling them.


although i freely admit that i'm completely clueless about these things and i'm just annoyed by all the bs. i just want to hear those new songs, asap. and i don't want FM to tour beyond the beginning of 2014.

i'm hoping they get it out before the UK leg.

(although seems completely unrealistic with this group of people and their management.)

they never play all the new songs on the tour, so i don't see a big problem about not playing them now, except at the shows where she maybe participates.

they didn't play Lindsey's Tango songs on Tango tour right, or did they?

No, they didn't. Well, no TITN songs that he sung lead on. Isn't it Midnight is a little bit his writing wise.

Michele

Ultimate Classic Rock quotes Stevie saying we have to love the songs and not just like or enjoy them and concludes:

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/fleet...in-fans-hands/

In other words, if you want a full new Fleetwood Mac studio album, stay in your seat and whoop loudly when you hear a new song, instead of using the occasion for a bathroom break or to reload your beverage. Oh, and be sure to buy the singles on iTunes.

Yeah, I can't imagine that Lindsey or Mick are really all that surprised about Stevie's reluctance to record. She said after 'Say You Will' that she didn't want to do another Mac album without Christine. Expecting her to change her mind, and trying to change her mind, is as unfair as trying to change Chris' mind about touring.

As far as the criticisms of her artistic integrity, yadda-yadda-yadda -- she said, when promoting 'In Your Dreams,' that she didn't care how well it sold. She needed to record new music. Perhaps she doesn't want to compromise anymore in a band environment, and wants to record her music on her terms.

And if she truly does want/need reassurance that people are clamoring for new Mac music, perhaps it's to get a sense of whether it would be worth all the aggravation, tension and headaches inherent to working together, before she commits to anything.

She's already recorded 3 (maybe 4) songs. What's a few more? It's a business decision.

How is it unfair for people to try to change her mind when she just INVITED us to change it? She just said that the fate of new music lies in fan reaction to the 3 songs. So, she has laid down the gauntlet, in essence.

As far as Mick and Lindsey unfairly trying to get her to change her mind, yeah they should hang it up. But maybe Stevie should stop blaming the fans and using others as her go-to excuse for not doing things that SHE does not want to do.

People might not like it if she said that for artistic or political reasons she doesn't want to record with the Mac and believes it might extend the band's future on the road, if they stay out of the studio, but it would be a whole lot more palatable than her saying, "Well, you have to love these songs. Enjoying and liking them is NOT ENOUGH." She feels she has more to say in her solo career than with FM and that's fine, but as long as she is not being honest and not coming out and saying that, people are going to react to what she does say.

I'm not surprised she said it. It's amusing and it's her, but it's old a new spin on her saying years ago that she didn't want to record anymore because fans kept stealing her music, now we're not stealing it, we just aren't loving it enough.

Michele

She only added vocals to two finished songs and then recorded one. If they decide to do a full album, they'd have to record probably another six or seven of Stevie's songs from the ground up (in addition to adding her vocals to most, if not all, of the rest of the songs Lindsey, Mick & John recorded together last year). It really wouldn't be a scenario all that dissimilar to how they recorded 'Say You Will' -- and we see how that went.

That said, in one of the interviews (Billboard maybe? I've completely lost track), she mentioned something about the possibility of recording a couple more tracks between now and the start of the tour. Maybe if they did something like that -- a few songs here, a few songs there -- they could build up enough tracks for an album while avoiding the tensions of being in a studio with each other for months on end.

Exactly. It can be easy - or hard. It's up to them. But, it doesn't have to be hard.