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MacShadowsBall 01-28-2012 02:33 PM

2012 Fleetwood Mac Contest
 
Well it is time for a new Fleetwood Mac contest. In 2010, we did favorite Fleetwood Mac song, while last year we did least favorite song.

Here are the choices for the next contest. Vote for the one you would like to see done.

Choice A - Best of Christine, Lindsey, Stevie
This contest would take the best of both FM and solo songs for each performer and create an 18 song "Best of". For example, "The Best of Stevie Nicks, 18 songs chronicling her songs from 1973's Buckingham Nicks album through 2011's In Your Dreams." This would be done for each of the Rumours era vocalists.

Choice B - Favorite Non-Hit Song
This contest would remove the songs that are/were deemed hits and find the favorite song among the others.

Choice C - Favorite Live Performance
About 4 peformances for each song they peformed live would be eligible to determine the favorite live performance. Once each song has a favorite live performance, they will battle it out for Overall favorite Fleetwood Mac peformance.

Choice D - The Ultimate Fleetwood Mac: 18 Songs That Every Fleetwood Mac Fan Should Have
This would create an ultimate 1 disc best of Fleetwood Mac.

Due to the lack of participation from the Pre-Rumours Ledgies during last years contest, these contests would focus mainly on the Rumours/Post-Rumours era albums and songs.

Opinions or comments let me know! :cool:

Silver Springs 01-28-2012 02:49 PM

Non hit song would be interesting.

bluefox4000 01-28-2012 03:20 PM

I voted non-hit as well.

Mick

elle 01-28-2012 03:50 PM

although i think the non-hit idea might be interesting in general, i like separate best-of for each songwriter even better.

my reasoning: b/c of uneven numbers of fans for each songwriter among registered members on this board, i don't follow polls where songs from 3 songwriters are pitted against each other. in such polls, songs that are the most interesting to me tend to be eliminated fast.

MikeInNV 01-28-2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1037973)
although i think the non-hit idea might be interesting in general, i like separate best-of for each songwriter even better.

my reasoning: b/c of uneven numbers of fans for each songwriter among registered members on this board, i don't follow polls where songs from 3 songwriters are pitted against each other. in such polls, songs that are the most interesting to me tend to be eliminated fast.

We could split out the non-hit favorites for each songwriter separately.

elle 01-28-2012 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1037975)
We could split out the non-hit favorites for each songwriter separately.

sounds like a nice solution to me!:thumbsup:

MacFan92 01-28-2012 05:43 PM

I'm torn! They're all good. I'll have to think it over.

MacShadowsBall 01-28-2012 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1037973)
although i think the non-hit idea might be interesting in general, i like separate best-of for each songwriter even better.

my reasoning: b/c of uneven numbers of fans for each songwriter among registered members on this board, i don't follow polls where songs from 3 songwriters are pitted against each other. in such polls, songs that are the most interesting to me tend to be eliminated fast.

Glad to see you interested in the next contest. I remember our discussions on the one back in 2010. :)

Generally, as long as there is a Stevie song in the poll, it will win regardless.

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1037975)
We could split out the non-hit favorites for each songwriter separately.

That's the way I was thinking. Check back on my threads from August-Dec of 2010 for the favorite song contest. I broke up each album by the 3 different vocalists, got a winner for each vocalist on that album, and then had those songs battle for favorite song from that album.

Blueletter18 01-28-2012 09:48 PM

I voted for the best-of lists- it would be nice to have a well-rounded compilation put together for each songwriter.

poetinmyheart 01-29-2012 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MacFan92 (Post 1037985)
I'm torn! They're all good. I'll have to think it over.

Me too. Will have a think on it. Forerunner at the moment is choice B - non hit.

Blueletter18 01-29-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1037977)
sounds like a nice solution to me!:thumbsup:

Me too, that would be a great compromise!

McTrouble 01-29-2012 03:33 PM

Choice A - Best of.....

Can we do all these polls one after the other? :D

vivfox 01-29-2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by McTrouble (Post 1038030)
Can we do all these polls one after the other? :D

This is MacShadowsBall's thread. Ofcourse she'll get around to making a poll of all three. That's what she does best: pole dancing.:lol:

TerraRhiannon 01-29-2012 07:41 PM

I love all of these ideas but... I voted for non hit. I think it would be interesting to see what could come out on top!

PenguinHead 01-29-2012 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1038033)
This is MacShadowsBall's thread. Ofcourse she'll get around to making a poll of all three. That's what she does best: pole dancing.:lol:

:laugh:Perhaps there should be a contest of our favorite poll.:shocked:

I think that the concept of contests that pitch songs against songs are ridiculous. But to each its own. Over time I've lost interest in them. Yet interestingly, I still have interest in poles. (insert smirky smile here).

michelej1 01-30-2012 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 1038055)
Yet interestingly, I still have interest in poles. (insert smirky smile here).

That's because your avatar is a penguin and gravitates North.

Michele

MacShadowsBall 01-30-2012 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by McTrouble (Post 1038030)
Choice A - Best of.....

Can we do all these polls one after the other? :D

This one will run between February to about June. The next would be around September. Gotta leave a break in there for me and everybody to recuperate. :D

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1038033)
This is MacShadowsBall's thread. Ofcourse she'll get around to making a poll of all three. That's what she does best: pole dancing.:lol:

Thanks vivfox, but I'ma dude. Haven't we been through this before! :lol:

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 1038055)
I think that the concept of contests that pitch songs against songs are ridiculous.

PenguinHead, I'm sorry you feel that way. I guess being a Ledgie for so long and seeing things like this so many times can be "ridiculous". Nonetheless, I try to make these contests both fair yet different from the ones in the past. Also newer Ledgies haven't experienced song battles and contest. They provide for good discussion and a critical analysis of the Fleetwood Mac catalogue. I hope you participate some, though. :cool:

...and until Fleetwood Mac get their act together and give us another album, what else do we have to do!?!?!?!

KarmaContestant 01-30-2012 12:01 PM

I went with A. It could be fun, grueling, and a little bit offensive. :laugh:

Trying to narrow Stevie's/Lindsey's/Christine's entire catalog, both solo and FM down to 6 songs each? Sonds like a blast!

MacShadowsBall 01-30-2012 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant (Post 1038121)
I went with A. It could be fun, grueling, and a little bit offensive. :laugh:

Trying to narrow Stevie's/Lindsey's/Christine's entire catalog, both solo and FM down to 6 songs each? Sonds like a blast!

Actually it would be 18 songs for each of them, solo and FM songs as you said. Kinda like Stevie's Crystal Visions CD but including FM album versions. Plus Lindsey and Christine don't have a official "Best of" released. :cool:

KarmaContestant 01-31-2012 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 1038130)
Actually it would be 18 songs for each of them, solo and FM songs as you said. Kinda like Stevie's Crystal Visions CD but including FM album versions. Plus Lindsey and Christine don't have a official "Best of" released. :cool:

Ah... Just my humble opinion, but 18 songs each seems like it might be too...easy? Not sure that's the right word. :cool:

moon 01-31-2012 07:18 AM

Non-Hit sounds a good choice! :thumbsup:

TrueFaith77 01-31-2012 07:53 AM

18 is the perfect count.

That's how many tracks are on Say You Will. ;)

TrueFaith77 01-31-2012 07:54 AM

As for solo best-ofs: I am a staunch believer in Singles collections. If there are too many singles, then I believe in establishing some sort of charting position ("Greatest Hits"). I totally hate random "best of" collections that have no basis in history or reality but instead are based on the arbitrary whim of some accountant at a record company.

elle 01-31-2012 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 1038246)
As for solo best-ofs: I am a staunch believer in Singles collections. If there are too many singles, then I believe in establishing some sort of charting position ("Greatest Hits"). I totally hate random "best of" collections that have no basis in history or reality but instead are based on the arbitrary whim of some accountant at a record company.

unlike singles? :laugh:

TrueFaith77 01-31-2012 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1038249)
unlike singles? :laugh:

...and consequently impacted the culture as a single.

MacShadowsBall 01-31-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant (Post 1038227)
Ah... Just my humble opinion, but 18 songs each seems like it might be too...easy? Not sure that's the right word. :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 1038245)
18 is the perfect count.

That's how many tracks are on Say You Will. ;)

18 songs perhaps would be "less challenging" as opposed to 10 or so. Narrowing down Stevie's entire catalog to just 18 songs would definitely be harder than Lindsey or Christine's, in my opinion. Most CD's can hold 18 songs so I thought that was a good number to create that 1-disc "Best of" for each Rumours-era vocalists. :cool:

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 1038246)
As for solo best-ofs: I am a staunch believer in Singles collections. If there are too many singles, then I believe in establishing some sort of charting position ("Greatest Hits"). I totally hate random "best of" collections that have no basis in history or reality but instead are based on the arbitrary whim of some accountant at a record company.

I seem to remember you doing a singles list for Christine on her forum last year. My idea would have more that just the singles in the running. All songs penned by that vocalist - solo, FM, etc would be eligible with no restrictions or rules about album limits.

elle 01-31-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 1038267)
18 songs perhaps would be "less challenging" as opposed to 10 or so. Narrowing down Stevie's entire catalog to just 18 songs would definitely be harder than Lindsey or Christine's, in my opinion. Most CD's can hold 18 songs so I thought that was a good number to create that 1-disc "Best of" for each Rumours-era vocalists.

how many solo albums did Stevie put out? 7? and 7 albums with FM? some extra singles?

how about Lindsey? 6 solo albums plus 6 albums with FM. plus some extra singles / film songs.

Christine? tons of FM albums, 2 solo, and Chickenshack ones?

[would you count singles? i guess you would need to if you are going with entire catalog from each of them.]

so, they are all probably at about the same number i suspect.


i like 18 as a starting number. we tried to get lindsey down to (i believe?) 10 songs in the recent thread and it was really really painful. most people had to go over 10. you can always follow up by slimming down to a smaller number after that...

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Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 1038267)
I seem to remember you doing a singles list for Christine on her forum last year. My idea would have more that just the singles in the running. All songs penned by that vocalist - solo, FM, etc would be eligible with no restrictions or rules about album limits.

i like that. as long as they were officially released?

elle 01-31-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 1038267)
18 songs perhaps would be "less challenging" as opposed to 10 or so.

just FYI - on LB board we have recently done "top 10 lindsey solo songs" http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=49046 - but not a combination of both solo and FM songs. and it wasn't a poll, we were just trying to list them.

MacShadowsBall 01-31-2012 01:15 PM

Yeah, the actual amount of songs that the three have put out is about the same, but Stevie's are more popular......... ;)

I saw that Lindsey thread, so yeah 10 songs is really hard.

Only official releases would count. Also stickly mainly to the album version of that release.

Certainly things can change before the contest begins based on the overall view of Ledgies, but we can't be changing the rules once the contest begins. :cool:

elle 01-31-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 1038276)
Yeah, the actual amount of songs that the three have put out is about the same, but Stevie's are more popular......... ;).

stevie solo is more popular, of course, but it seems that in general people still go crazy at her solo shows mostly when she sings her FM songs and don't even know most of her her solo catalog other than EO17 and SB? [which is very similar for lindsey too, btw]. note, i'm talking about general audiences at their shows, not huge fans like most people on these boards.

anyway - i don't know her solo songs either way - same as you don't know lindsey solo songs i presume :shrug: :lol: [actually, i barely know lindsey's FM songs from Mirage and Tango ;) ]
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Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 1038276)
I saw that Lindsey thread, so yeah 10 songs is really hard.

yup, by the end of the thread we decided we can't have less than 20 solo lindsey songs, and that we could probably whittle down to 50 lindsey songs all together, if we count both his solo and FM songs.:laugh:

MacShadowsBall 01-31-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1038278)
anyway - i don't know her solo songs either way - same as you don't know lindsey solo songs i presume :shrug: :lol: [actually, i barely know lindsey's FM songs from Mirage and Tango ;) ]

You presume correctly! :)

I know his albums and a few songs by name. I'm really a Fleetwood Mac fan first and foremost, so I know his Fleetwood Mac songs. :cool:

If and when we do the 18 songs for Lindsey, I would need somebody that is more of a Lindsey solo fan than I to officiate those polls.

Silver Springs 01-31-2012 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 1038309)

If and when we do the 18 songs for Lindsey, I would need somebody that is more of a Lindsey solo fan than I to officiate those polls.

I volunteer myself if you need in the future. :)

Obviously that's if you don't have anybody else in mind. Don't want to step on any toes...

elle 01-31-2012 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Springs (Post 1038316)
I volunteer myself if you need in the future. :)

Obviously that's if you don't have anybody else in mind. Don't want to step on any toes...

i'll second Silver Springs' candidacy. highly qualified for lindsey solo stuff :nod: :).

MacShadowsBall 01-31-2012 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Springs (Post 1038316)
I volunteer myself if you need in the future. :)

Obviously that's if you don't have anybody else in mind. Don't want to step on any toes...

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1038327)
i'll second Silver Springs' candidacy. highly qualified for lindsey solo stuff :nod: :).

Actually I had both of you in mind!!! :laugh: However it is looking like the "non-hits" contest will be done first as it has the most votes.

I really want to include Pre-Rumours songs in the non-hits contest, but I'm concerned about whether or not there would be enough participation out of the Pre-Rumours Ledgies, particularly among the Peter Green/Blues era fans.

I could just start with Future Games and go until Say You Will , including of course the Post-Rumours albums.

Thoughts?

ragrsrocalot 01-31-2012 11:36 PM

I choose B= Favorite Non-Hit Song. It think that would be interesting.

vivfox 01-31-2012 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ragrsrocalot (Post 1038358)
I choose B= Favorite Non-Hit Song. It think that would be interesting.

Me too. But knowing M.S.B., he's gonna make a poll of all three choices eventually.

Silver Springs 02-01-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MacShadowsBall (Post 1038341)
I could just start with Future Games and go until Say You Will , including of course the Post-Rumours albums.

Thoughts?

I think it would be a mistake to exclude part of the back catalogue. Just have to be prepared for a little less participation than with the "fab five" era.

MacShadowsBall 02-01-2012 05:04 PM

Okay Ledgies, looks like our next contest will be to find the Favorite Non-hit Fleetwood Mac song of all time, including all FM albums - Pre-Rumours, Rumours, and Post-Rumours eras. Hopefully more that just 3 Ledgies vote in the Pre-Rumours polls!

Here's what I'm thinking... 3 threads per album. The first thread would be "Rate these songs from 1 to 5 stars." The second one would be the nominations thread for all the non-hits, and the final thread would be to find the favorite non-hit song from that album.

Confused? :confused:

MacShadowsBall 02-04-2012 03:18 PM

I'm gettting the final touches worked on for the new contest. The first thread focusing on the '75 album will be posted tonight. :cool:

MacShadowsBall 02-10-2012 11:26 PM

Any suggestions on how to handle this contest with the Pre-Rumours albums/songs? According to wikipedia, the top 20 hits in the UK were "Albatross", "Man of the World", "Oh Well", and "The Green Manalishi".


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