For What Its Worth must be a love song to LB
 

From the little streetcar bell ring at the start of the song, it seems to be a love song to her early years in SanFran with Lindsey....her final love song to him? Her thank you?

I don't see it as a love song to him, so much as a celebration of her life featuring him. If that distinction makes any sense at all...

I got to sing, I got to dance
I go to be a part of a great romance
Still forbidden, still outrageous

I think she's remembering all of the incredible experiences she's had, including this epic love and the early days in SanFran. But I think she's addressing herself and her fans more than LB, and the vibe is less pleading and romantic than, "Whoo--what a ride!"

Her final love song to him? Highly doubtful. They still have to do Buckingham Nicks II in Wales. :D

I do think "For What It's Worth" is about her relationship with Lindsey, specifically regarding the period I believe they were "reacquainted" during "The Dance" era. A slightly more romantic take than the subject matter of "Thrown Down".

Stevie said it is about the person who stayed with her in 1993 and 94, when she was fat and everything was falling apart and she thought she was going to die. This person believed in her and stayed with her and saved her life.

Doesn't sound like it's about Lindsey to me. For one thing, I don't think he was spearheading their trip to Southern California. I think she took the initiative on that. Plus, I don't think he's that comforting to Stevie. I mean, he's a partner and actually in a strange way I think it is a comfort to always have him to bicker with, but he's not sitting around holding her hand, bucking up her confidence and inspiring her as the person in FWIW was obviously doing. He more spurs than inspires. Michele

It's definitely not about Lindsey.

I agree. Don't see how it can be, if she's on record as saying it was about someone who stood by her in 93-94, which was more or less exactly when LB was blanking her at the inauguration? Just doesn't add up, unless it's another 'Sara'-type composite, where this line's about that dude, and that line's about this dude...:rolleyes:

It's not about him. It's another mystery.

Well, what Stevie says the song is about doesn't matter that much to me, since she's also said that Blue Denim was not about him and then said it was. Both statements were probably equally correct.

But to me, the lyrics in FWIW don't sound anything like a description of what she had with Lindsey. Sounds like Tom Petty to me. Either Petty or someone we don't know about at all, since their relationship was a secret, forbidden.

Michele

I was thinking Mike Campbell, becuase Mike really has stuck by her through thick and thin.

Interesting, since he's involved with this whole project. That would be a nice nod.

Michele

... and that he co-wrote it!

I don't know what or who it's about but as soon as it started playing it brought tears to my eyes. It's my favorite so far.

I don't know who this song is about, but Stevie has stated the above, about Carlos Rios.

I love this song.

haha come on!
 

Sooner or later this 'shipper' business has GOT to end! There are many many people in her life and many more who have been and gone.Enough with the Lindsey assumptions,it could be about anyone,a man who is not remotely a public figure/musician/etc. Same goes for other songs

wait, are you implying with your comment that ALL of Stevie's songs are NOT about Lindsey?????? :eek: ... GTFO ....


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First off I must admit that I'm a recovering shipper so this may be me being in denial about my shipper addiction :eek: but I don't see how this is shipper business really... I mean, noone is saying they think this song means that she and he will be together one day and they are still hooking up. Folks are saying she may be referring to something she had with him in the past. I think that's fair speculation. Besides, even if they are over and done with, Stevie's Thrown Down was her dragging up some shipper dirt... yeah that was in 2003 or 2004 but if she can do it why can't we?

There is a reason why Rumours still sells and part of the draw is the personal drama that was going on with the band members. It was real stuff and most people relate to real stuff because we all got it. I remember the first few times I heard Second Hand News and I just kept wondering who Lindsey wanted to lay down in the tall grass and do his stuff with. Well who better to do "stuff" with than little miss Stevie? For some of us, that's the reason we got hooked on FM. The band members have all been open about the songs on that Album being about each other...which makes it hard to get out of ones mind that maybe future songs are about the band members...if that makes any sense at all?

Just fyi, I don't think this song is about Lindsey. You are right about there being many people in Stevie's life and many who have been and gone. I think there are many many many many men who have come (no pun - oh why not) and gone. It'd be a lot easier if Stevie would write a "tell all" book and give us that big ol' long list of her magic mens!

Yes, if she doesn't have time, we don't need the whole book. We just need a list (with maybe a time period for each man). We can work with that.:laugh:

Michele

Honestly, if Stevie would shut the hell up about Lindsey then shipperness or the speculation thereof would die.

So, no I don't think FWIW fits LB at all, but I hear hints of him in Italian Summer and You May Be the One and she has already said that she sang Everybody Loves You to Lindsey, while Dave could sing it to Annie.

Oh and the other line I think is about Lindsey on the album is the angry words going back and forth between them while on the islands (which I took to be Hawaii). She says she couldn't believe what he was saying. I think this was the SYW fight, but I don't think it was just about track sequencing.

Michele

^roflol!!!

I agree with this, I see this song as a modern day gypsy kinda thing. I don't think it's far fetched to say it's about her and Lindsey's starting out. I realize she's not exactly conforted by him but maybe in the begining... he was a source of comfort. It was essentially them against the world in those days. They just had each other.

I've gotta go with the general consensus and agree that FWIW isn't about Lindsey.

You May Be The One, however... I'm definitely starting to think that song is about him.

I feel ya on the recovering shipper thing! Even if she hadn't said the comments about someone from 93-94 who stayed with her, I would still have to say the song is not about LB. The, "You saved my life" line does not give me a LB vibe AT ALL. I can't see her saying something like this about him.

That being said if she comes back in a year and says the song is about him I am not going to be mad. Ughhh old habits die hard:lol:

I don't think it's about him.

It doesn't have the same sound as other songs she's done that are about him to me.

Yes, there are so many things that point away from Lindsey in my eyes: I think if she was writing about the trip to Southern California she'd be saying that she is the one who scooped him up, threw him in the car and took him to Los Angeles, not the other way around.

Also, she talks about no one knowing they were together. Even though we have discussed the fact that SnL have never admitted being a couple while in Fritz, I don't think she'd be writing about having a secret affair with Lindsey during that time period. According to Javier, everyone knew.

It's the secrecy lyrics that make me think it's about Tom Petty. Michele

I'm not a hopeless romantic about Stevie and Lindsay and I dont keep up with all the torrid details of their time together but my first listen to FWIW- maybe , just maybe, she was singing about their time in San Fran and his request to Mick that Stevie be included....if Lindsey had not "taken her along for the ride" with him...her life would have been different...maybe I am being a bit romantic..lol...I know about Stevie's quote about 93, 94 but......carlos or mike may be a better fit

I don't have a clue to the secret person at this point, but Mike Campbell does sound pretty logical.

I'll get flamed for this, but I will say that, while I like the song, it sounds like it would fit on Street Angel pretty well - musically, lyrically, vocally. Sort of a cross between "Inspiration" and "Rose Garden".

- Jake

The reason I think the Lindsey card can be played is because I heard the same story mentioned by another Ledgie, about her rehab experience - that her Dad had called Lindsey to help because no one else was reaching her. Debbie (catdancer) said when she talked to Lindsey in the early '90's, he was very concerned about Stevie and wanted her to call him. Someone else mentioned how upset he was when he did the two FM shows in Dec. '90 and she didn't know some of his relatives backstage because she was so out of it.

Also, according to the time frame Stevie gave in the quote, the tour she is referring to is The Dance which was Stevie's first tour after her '95 rehab stay. I'm pretty sure Tom Petty, Mike Campbell or Carlos Rios weren't on that tour. Just judging from the rehearsal videos and Stevie and Lindsey's body language and interaction, they were not as stilted towards one another as you might expect for being newly reacquainted after a period of long animosity. They seemed very comfortable and he was being obviously protective of her. Fans here have said when they went backstage at a show, everyone else was gone but Stevie and Lindsey came in holding hands and sat down on a sofa and continued to hold hands, prompting the fans to assume they were back together. Stevie and Lindsey denied it, but it was apparent to the fans they were close again.

It could be forbidden because they were supposed to be with other people. Lindsey was breaking up with Cheri during this time period.

"For What It's Worth" has been called a "mirror" to "Landslide"... it does sound like she comes full-circle in the song.

At any rate, whoever it's about - I'm thankful to that person. And, I think it's one of the most beautiful and touching songs she's ever written.

^^^ Nice post. They do have quite a story, any way you look at it.

Very interesting and insightful post. I never thought of it that way. She seems to dance around the meaning and be protective of her songs for a good while after their release, so maybe ten years from now we will really know what it's about.

Trigger Trigger Trigger! Help me, I'm about to have a shipper relapse! Are any of those fans who went backstage around the ledge? Noooo, don't tell me.

I never knew any of that. It could be him then.

Great post.

As open as Stevie is being in these new interviews (admitting Lady From the Mountains is about Lindsey), I wouldn't be surprised if she confesses this one if asked about it.

This song is crazy beautiful. Her voice is so tender and intimate, im starting to REALLY fall for this song. The more i listen the more it's claws come out and grab me. I agree, totally about LB. We could be wrong but i don't think so ! ;)

Must say the first person I thought of when I heard this song was Mick. :eek:

i thought it was said lindsey was at several street angel shows, which surprised me when i heard that. so he did seem to be around her at least a little in 94. hmmm.....and now she's almost gushing about the guy...

when i was on vaca one summer in RI i could have swore i saw sn and lb drive by - lol!!! i'm sure it was not them, but it just sort of cracked me up. i don't remember the year, i'd have to go check in my photo album. but it was either 92, 93, or 94. it was newport RI. and the woman's hair was long and straight - guess that rules out summer of 94 with the krimping!

Well, with all her wigs, extensions, etc. that just may be splitting hairs... :lol:

[QUOTE=darklinensuit;973793]I don't have a clue to the secret person at this point, but Mike Campbell does sound pretty logical.

I'll get flamed for this, but I will say that, while I like the song, it sounds like it would fit on Street Angel pretty well - musically, lyrically, vocally. Sort of a cross between "Inspiration" and "Rose Garden".


I'm thinking it was either Carlos Rios or Mike Campbell. Wasn't Carlos her band leader at the time. I don't think Waddy was on that tour. Well, whoever he was, we owe him a big Thank You. Afterall, he saved our girls life.